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How many is too many?
Mark Sutton, Photographer
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Herndon | VA | USA | Posted: 11:31 AM on 11.23.07 |
| ->> I want to pose a question to just the photog's who are contracted by the various SID's to shoot sports for their respected university's. My question is this, how many images do you provide when you hand them over a CD/DVD when you are finished shooting that particular event. What is the norm? Do you give them everything or do you just give them a specific number? Can you please help? Thanks!!! |
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Chuck Steenburgh, Photographer
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Lexington | VA | USA | Posted: 8:59 PM on 11.23.07 |
->> Mark,
My "take" from a typical football or basketball game is around 1200 files. I go through them quickly, deleting 200-300 and marking another 30-60 or so as the "best of" the batch. Those "better" files get individualized cropping, toning, sharpening, and (if needed) noise reduction. The very best 5 or 6 (usually depending on player performance but sometimes just "really good" shots) I post on the web site along with the game summary. I use PM to generate an HTML gallery of all photos. I put the lot on a DVD. (See www.vmikeydets.com.)
The "best of" files are all named by player making it easier for them to go and find a good shot of a particular player. But every now and then they need to dig through the other files to find a particular athlete or shot...which is where the web galleries come in handy. (And some parents and athletes really do wade through all 1000 or so photos on the web.)
Chuck |
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Colter Ray, Student/Intern, Photographer
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San Marcos | TX | United States | Posted: 9:04 PM on 11.23.07 |
->> Hi Mark, this past football season at Texas State I would shoot about 700 shots a game and pick out about 25 selects. From here I would edit about 10 to 15 and put them on the SID's jump drive
I've only shot a couple basketball games so far but have found that regardless of how many I take, I still end up giving the SID about 10 to 15.
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Mark Peters, Photographer
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Highland | IL | USA | Posted: 10:44 PM on 11.23.07 |
->> Clark -
Courts were open today were they not? Did the IPA file for injunctive relief today?
So much for acting in good faith |
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Mark Peters, Photographer
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Highland | IL | USA | Posted: 10:45 PM on 11.23.07 |
| ->> Sorry about that - hit the back button by mistake and posted into the wrong thread. |
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Mark Sutton, Photographer
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Herndon | VA | USA | Posted: 11:52 AM on 11.24.07 |
->> I usually give each SID a few images I edit in the press box or in the media room for their websites to be posted immediately. I just want to know the norm of what is given or how many is added to the DVD or CD. Basically all the SID's I shoot for naturally need stuff for next season's media guides. I try to give them two images (1 vertical & 1 horizontal) of each underclassmen and 1 image of the seniors. While basketball might be in upwards of 50 images and football a few more. I was just wondering was I giving too much and cut it down to 1 image no matter if it's vertical or horizontal or was I not giving enough.
The reason why I ask is because I was recently at a game where a photographer shooting for a school not in the conference I shoot for told me he gives his SID everything he shoots. Basically he gives them around 200 images on a DVD. I told him I may give 50 to 60 on a good day and he asked what did I do with the rest of the images. I said I post them on my website for everyone to see. He then said aren't you worried that someone else would offer more images at a cheaper rate and steal my business? |
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Tyler Kaufman, Student/Intern, Photographer
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New Orleans | LA | USA | Posted: 11:10 PM on 11.24.07 |
| ->> Mark, for football the SID I was working for wanted around 200 action shots. I try to give him as many different angles and positions of players. They have used pictures of mine in game programs that I did not think were especially good. You never know what they're going to use |
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John Setzler, Photographer
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Hickory | NC | USA | Posted: 2:28 AM on 11.25.07 |
->> I have only done this once, and I'm starting to regret it. I was contracted by a university's SID to shoot a soccer game that was being played at a college in my town. I didn't give him everything though. I sifted out the junk and gave him a CD with about 40 8x10 by 300dpi images, and this was done at a pre-negotiated price. It was short notice on his part and I had to juggle it into my schedule. I had never done business with this college before. My simple mistake was not requiring pre-payment or at least a deposit. I shot this event on October 10th and still haven't been paid for it yet. I'm getting the normal runaround... "I didn't get an invoice... can you send me another one?... It should be processed and mailed on Friday.... It may get delayed because of the Thanksgiving holidays...."
Make sure you either get paid in advance if you haven't worked for the college before or make sure you KNOW what their payment terms are in advance. |
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Matthew Sharpe, Student/Intern, Photographer
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University | MS | USA | Posted: 2:44 AM on 11.25.07 |
->> I'm often contracted with the SIDs here to shoot many sports. Those guys are pretty good to work with, and typically they just want a DVD with everything on it. I delete the pointless photos and give them everything as is. For most sports, I'll e-mail them two or three post game for the Web site.
If no one minds saying, what do you charge for a typical game when contracted by sports info? Do you charge more for football if that's the main sport? Hourly? Flat fee?
I realize their job is PR and marketing the athletics program, but I feel like it shortchanges newspaper photogs sometimes when they send out "free" photos. |
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Mark Sutton, Photographer
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Herndon | VA | USA | Posted: 5:57 PM on 11.27.07 |
| ->> Thanks guy's!!! |
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Brian Westerholt, Photographer
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Kannapolis | NC | USA | Posted: 8:47 PM on 11.27.07 |
->> After shooting a game, I will convert everything from RAW to JPG and then go through and delete the soft/OOF images. I then do a batch caption of the JPG files using Photo Mechanic, including notes that say "FOR INTERNAL USE BY {insert school name here} blah blah blah." Then, I sort the images by player into seperate folders and burn everything on a CD or DVD. On average I will get 200-300 useable images from a football game, 150-200 for most other events, and 100+ for basketball (I shoot on strobes).
I am always amazed when I see people saying they shoot 1,200+ images for a football game. I guess I just don't lay on the motor drive as much as some people - I don't want/need to edit all those images after every game.
To answer Matthew's question, I do charge more for football games, mainly because it's a longer day than other events. |
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Sam Santilli, Photographer, Photo Editor
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Philippi | WV | USA | Posted: 8:52 PM on 11.27.07 |
| ->> Mark, our deal with the SID's does not include free action. We charge by the image, by the season of what we have, or by the game for the cd/dvd. This way they can pick as much or as little as they need, want, or can afford. Nice thread, Sam |
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