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Whats wrong with these images, camera or card or operator
Gene Kellogg, Photographer
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Watford City | ND | USA | Posted: 1:40 PM on 09.03.07 |
| ->> I have had a major problem happen 2 times in 2 weeks. I have been shooting in RAW on my Nikon D2X with Extreme III 2 gig cards. I have shot tell the card is completely full, both times 80 images. When I go to down load the images have the last numbers that were down loaded to my computer. In both cases I loose almost everything shot. This time I have some of what came up on my computer. Is this problem my camera dieing or are all my cards going bad, I took the first card out of use so its not the same card. |
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Patrick Fallon, Student/Intern, Photographer
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Columbia | MO | USA | Posted: 2:01 PM on 09.03.07 |
->> This is a confusing question, but I will try to help...
I suggest you try using another computer... and seeing what happens to the images then. But you need to explain your question better, cause right now... Huh? comes to mind..
Also, the pictures on your member page look like they are corrupted files... which could be a lot of different things. |
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Brandon Iwamoto, Student/Intern, Photographer
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Fort Collins | CO | USA | Posted: 2:21 PM on 09.03.07 |
| ->> ill give you a hint: the problem starts with an "N" and ends with an "ikon" |
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Gene Kellogg, Photographer
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Watford City | ND | USA | Posted: 2:42 PM on 09.03.07 |
| ->> OK I will try to make it clearer what I am asking. This has happen 2 times amd I want to know what is going bad. I used a different computer the first time this happened and yestereday I put the card back in the camera and it showed there was nothing on there. But I got them images posted, I put them there hoping someone has delt with this before and knew why and what was failing. Thanks for trying to answer Patrick!! I know that they are corrupted, these where the ones that were view able everything else just shows the jpeg and nef emblem in the file. |
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Greg Francis, Photographer
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Rochester | NY | USA | Posted: 3:04 PM on 09.03.07 |
->> First, Never fill a card completely.
Second, I acquired an Extreme III 4gb from a fellow photog. I was getting 1-5 corrupted NEF's per shoot, called Sandisk, got an Return Authorization and a UPS shipping label, exchanged the card with Sandisk. No problems since.
Determine if you are still getting corrupted files when not filling the card completely. |
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Oscar Sosa, Photographer
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Jacksonville | FL | USA | Posted: 3:05 PM on 09.03.07 |
->> How are you getting the files into your computer? What card reader are you using? Are you formatting the cards in the camera you are using for that card? Are the images normal when you preview them in your camera? Does this only happen when you shoot in Raw mode? Does this happen only with one particular camera?
I've never had this happen to me, but image #2 looks like a corrupted file during transfer. Make sure your camera is working properly. Then check your cables, card reader, get a new card, try a different card reader, anything that helps move your files from the card to the computer. If your camera works properly, then what Patrick said is dead on: It could be a lot of different things. |
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Joseph Brymer, Photographer
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Lincolnton | NC | usa | Posted: 5:39 PM on 09.03.07 |
| ->> I've seen this same thing happen with a Canon and an older Mac G4. The card would show the photos on the computer but when loaded on this particular computer the files would be corrupt. I would then take the same card load it onto my Mac Book Pro and everything would be fine. We later found out through our IT guy that it was the card reader and new drivers had to be installed after doing this we had no further problems, and as for Brandon I shoot with Nikon and have seen just as many problems from the company that starts with a C. |
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Kevin Leas, Photographer
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Rochester | NY | USA | Posted: 6:07 PM on 09.03.07 |
->> Gene,
What kind of computer are you using? What are you using to import the photos? I've had the same thing happen; here's why (and what I did to stop it).
The problem: Powerbook G4 and a card reader - only relevant details. I'd fill a card, dump it in the computer, put the card back in the camera, format it in camera, fill it again, and when I put it in the reader for the second time...you guessed it; old images show up, with the new ones nowhere in sight.
Using various data recovery programs (I can't recall which ones), I was always able to get the data back. However, I also found out what the problem was: I was accidentally removing the card from the reader without ejecting it first. So when the card comes out, the computer is still looking for it, and kind of holds an image of the card. When the same card is re-inserted, the computer sees it as the same card, and not a card with different data.
I really hope this helps you out, otherwise I'm sorry for a long and pointless post! |
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Gene Kellogg, Photographer
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Watford City | ND | USA | Posted: 7:29 PM on 09.03.07 |
->> Oscar:
I use only a lexar firewire compactflash reader to load on my Apple G4 powerbooks. I always reformat the cards in my camera. And bout these times the camera is set to fine jpeg RAW. The images looked great in the view finder nothing at all wrong with them there. and this has happened at least once before with the camera set at fine jpeg only, and if I can remember correctly the card got completely filled then also. And it happens only on my D2x cause thats the only camera I have right now.
Greg:
As far as I know it has not happened when the card has some room left on it. But the thing I don't understand is in both cases, last 3 weeks, the file numbers have been the same as the numbers last downloaded to the computers, this has happened on two different versions of G4 Powerbooks. And both times the card was completely full.
Kevin:
Thanks Kevin for Your posting, it was not pointless it just brings more questions to my mind like is this a problem with old Apple powerbooks, and how do You keep it from happening again?
Joseph:
Thanks for Your info also!!
The brother of the girl I was shooting yesterday works for I think microsoft in the tech department and he was going to see if the people he knows can get the images or if they are completely gone. So might get them back, which will open up another problem of if they want them how do I charge being they got them back:) |
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Eric Canha, Photographer
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Brockton | MA | United States | Posted: 7:42 PM on 09.03.07 |
| ->> Gene I had the same thing happen to me with the same cards on a D2Xs. In my case it was a bad cardbus reader that I used on my notebook. I even fried the files of another SS'er who was working with me at the time. ;) The second day that it did it to me, I switched readers and the problem went away. I was able to recover the files with the rescue software that was in the Sandisk box. |
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Oscar Sosa, Photographer
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Jacksonville | FL | USA | Posted: 10:35 PM on 09.03.07 |
->> I honestly think it's your reader. Try using a USB 2.0 reader or a PCMCIA CF card adapter. I did have a few corrupt files with my old Nikon D1 and an iBook G3 with a Lexar Firewire reader (the old purple one). All my problems went away when I started using a USB reader. It was slow, but my files were fine. When I got a Powerbook G4 I used a CF card adapter and never had a problem.
Now I'm using a USB 2.0 Belkin reader with a MacBook Pro 2.4 GHz machine and haven't lost a file yet. For some reason I'm having trouble using SD cards with the reader, but I have another reader where the SD cards work fine. |
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Patrick Fallon, Student/Intern, Photographer
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Columbia | MO | USA | Posted: 11:01 PM on 09.03.07 |
| ->> We had this happening at the school with files not showing, etc.. D2x... it was a bad reader. |
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Gene Kellogg, Photographer
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Watford City | ND | USA | Posted: 10:06 AM on 09.04.07 |
| ->> Thanks for the information everyone!! The one question I have is why are the numbers the same when they are to keep counting up on the camera. And the pictures on my member page were put on there in order, I left out the fist jpeg cause it was fine and everything else got worse as they went down and the jpegs stopped after the first on. Its the numbering that has me confussed and that has happened both the last 2 times. I am going to try and get a new reader I have had this for a long time so maybe that is it. I have never been able to get data with the software that comes with the cards, not sure why but haven't been able too. |
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Peter Quinn, Photographer
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Pine Bush | NY | USA | Posted: 11:32 AM on 09.04.07 |
->> Gene, do you have your "File Number Sequence" custom setting d4 set as you would like? If you leave it in the default position the image number start at 0001 every time you reformat your card. This can cause some problems if you download to the same folder on your computer. Maybe they are getting lost there? Setting it to "On" keeps the numbering sequential even after the card is reformatted.
Page 196 of the D2x manual for more info.... |
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Greg Ferguson, Photographer
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Scottsdale | Az | USA | Posted: 12:27 PM on 09.04.07 |
->> Don't rely on the filenames given to the images by your camera.
Like you saw, you can run into situations where the files will overwrite if the camera is set to auto-reset the counter, which happens after formatting or the insertion of a clean card.
Instead, use something like iView, Lightroom or Photo Mechanic to auto rename the images to a more-unique filename as the images are copied to your drive. I use a YYYYMMDD-HHMMSS format, with letters appended if there are collisions within a second. That format sorts easily, and makes it easy for you to ID an event if you know the image number. The odds of having name collisions are reduced using a time-based filename.
If you're shooting with multiple cameras syncronize their clocks before shooting so the images are sequential when viewing.
If you have multiple people shooting with multiple cameras and need to keep the images identifiable by camera and shooter then you can add the serial number of the body to the filename.
There's lots of ways to come up with usable names that are unique to avoid the overwriting problem.
Another option for renumbering is to use the EXIF-Tools Perl module. It's really powerful and lets you rename images, extract/modify the IPTC info and more. You just need to know how to program in Perl and how to use the command-line on your system. |
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Charles Gawlik, Photographer
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San Diego | CA | USA | Posted: 1:19 PM on 09.04.07 |
->> Gene,
I agree with everyone's comment on the card reader being the problem. http://www.sportsshooter.com/mystphoto/corruption/index.html I also shoot with the D2X but was using the CompactDrive PD70X at the time as my main card reader/image storage device. After a ton of testing I found that the card reader itself was screwing up the images. About 10% of the images downloaded to the card would be corrupt. After I discovered that the card reader was the problem I switch to a different reader and have not had an issue since then. I started to connect the dots when image two of the gallery occurred, the ghost image was from an event two weeks prior and I know I had formated the cards between events.
My testing process was easy, I tried first my normal method of downloading to the PDX70 and then ingest into my computer. Once I isolated a corrupt image I then went to the folder on the PDX70 and manually copied the file to the computer. Still had the same corruption. Having the image still on the card I copied then from the camera to the computer and the image was good. Did this a few more times and (light came on) figured out it was the reader. |
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