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Remote at home plate...say it isn't so!
Dick Van Nostrand, Photographer
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Bay City | MI | USA | Posted: 7:21 AM on 07.11.07 |
| ->> In Justin Sullivan's photos of the all star game, I noticed what looks like a remote camera ( I assume tv, not still) right in front of the plate. First it was cable pullers along with tv running along the third base line and it's some other foreign object in our photos. Say it isn't so...somebody. |
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Bob Nichols, Photographer
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Tipton | IN | USA | Posted: 8:28 AM on 07.11.07 |
| ->> Photos #8 & 9??? It says they were during the "home run derby". I did not see the game, but assume the camera was not there during the regular game. |
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Alan Stewart, Photographer
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Corydon | IN | USA | Posted: 9:09 AM on 07.11.07 |
->> Those photos were taken during the home run derby.
How do I know? I read the captions. |
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Cecil Copeland, Photographer
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Marietta | Ga | USA | Posted: 9:27 AM on 07.11.07 |
->> "Say it isn't so...somebody."
Nope, it's "so" ....
In fact, there were SEVERAL remote cameras in front of the plate during the home run derby .... not just the one you see in Justin's shots ... |
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Dick Van Nostrand, Photographer
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Bay City | MI | USA | Posted: 10:25 AM on 07.11.07 |
| ->> Yup, the home run derby today, a regular game tomorrow. Today's nightmare is tomorrow's reality. |
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Michael Granse, Photographer
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Urbana | IL | USA | Posted: 10:28 AM on 07.11.07 |
| ->> A foul ball would solve that "problem" rather efficiently. In any case, I am not too offended by remote cameras on the field durring a publicity stunt. The players of old played with photographers practically standing in the batters box, and those were "real" games :) |
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Dick Van Nostrand, Photographer
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Bay City | MI | USA | Posted: 11:15 AM on 07.11.07 |
| ->> I like the idea of a well placed foul ball eliminating the problem. A funny story about photographers on the field. Famed sports photographer Hy Peskin has been given credit/blame for the ban on photographers on the field. During a game Peskin was covering first base and ran across the infield to cover a play at third causing an outcry from game officials. |
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Gary Shook, Photographer
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Otsego | MI | USA | Posted: 5:13 PM on 07.11.07 |
| ->> Hey there was a TV camera in front of home plate durring the game, some of it's video was used when A-ROD was thrown out at home easily, it would have been quite a shot if it had been Rose running over Fossey. |
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Jeffery Patch, Student/Intern, Photographer
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Huntington Beach | CA | USA | Posted: 7:07 PM on 07.11.07 |
->> What's the fuss all about? I'm sure most of you would set one up if you had the required credentials.
I'm very surprised to hear people wishing negative thoughts on felow professional's equipment. How would you feel if that happened to you?
I know photographers who set up home plate remote cameras at NCAA games. Granted they're bolted to the railing along the sides and not right there on the field, but what's the difference? I've never heard anybody complain about him setting up there. |
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Brian Shirk, Photographer
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McCall | ID | US | Posted: 7:19 PM on 07.11.07 |
->> Jeffery-
It's because they're on the field of play. That's a danger not just to equipment, but moreso to the players -- Would YOU make a dive for a ball if there's a sharp-edged metal object in the area? No, because you aren't getting paid to. They, however, are... And things would only get changed after someone being seriously injured.
It's probably less of a problem for a home run derby, even though it does block other people's shots (and probably just as many of the same station's shots), but... With Gary's comment taken into account, it would be appropriate to have the station thrown out of the game, the same as any still photographer would have been.
But I think what it really comes down to is that TV has the money to pay for it, regardless of our ethical arguments; it'll just take them a little time to make mistakes and (hopefully) learn from them. |
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Michael McNamara, Photo Editor, Photographer
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Lincoln | NE | USA | Posted: 7:38 PM on 07.11.07 |
->> People here have short memories. I believe it was Robert Deutsch who had a remote camera next to one of the TV remotes for a recent Home Run Derby (I believe it was 2005 or 2006). And nobody harped on him then.
I looked at the AP wire from the Home Run Derby, and the cameramen behind the players were much more noticable than the remote cameras. You know why? Because the remote cameras weren't in any of the frames, unless it was a photo of Daivd Ortiz's kid about to hit one with a bat.
The Home Run Derby is an exhibition. The only action that happens on the field of play is at home plate. Nobody is going to be diving for a weak pop fly around the batter's boxes. Nobody is going to be injured by the cameras being there. ESPN pays a good chunk of change to broadcast the event, and we all know that the rights holders of events will get preferential treatment when it comes to camera positions (including running from third to home on home runs). The cameras that are installed in the field for actual games are very small, and there is no way the MLBPA would allow them if they felt somebody could be injured by one.
If one part of ESPN's coverage of the Home Run Derby carried over to the regular season and would drive us all really crazy, it would be having to listen to Chris Berman say "back back back" twice a minute for two hours. |
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Justin Sullivan, Photographer
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San Francisco | CA | | Posted: 8:05 PM on 07.11.07 |
->> Thank You Michael for speaking up about this. Michael is right, nobody was ever in danger of diving into a camera since these remotes were only used during the home run derby, which is a publicity stunt. I am sure that MLB will never allow a camera to be posted on the playing field during an actual game, it just isn't going to happen.
Also, to address this quote..."In fact, there were SEVERAL remote cameras in front of the plate during the home run derby"
In fact, there was only 2 remote video cameras on the field itself, one on each side of the plate that had a single still camera mounted beneath one of them, that's it. |
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Andrew Sullivan, Photo Editor, Photographer
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Kissimmee | FL | USA | Posted: 10:05 AM on 07.12.07 |
->> Its sad that this is committed to my memory, but MTV used to air a program called 'Rock n Jock Baseball' around the turn of the century that featured this same camera angle. I guess if Snoop Dogg didn't have a problem with the camera there, then today's pros shouldn't either...
Andrew Sullivan
www.picandrew.com |
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Robert Deutsch, Photographer
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NY | NY | USA | Posted: 2:00 PM on 07.12.07 |
| ->> Michael is correct.. we put a camera next to the espn video camera on the field for a few years just for the home run derby. It was out of anyone's way, and only danger was it getting destroyed by a ball, but odds were good since these guys are hitting fat slow pitches. Made a nice angle sometimes. We did not do it this year, kinda ran its course. But 2 other cameras were there. MLB let us do it for a few years because we thought of it :) And it never got hit (but I think the ESPN camera did once). |
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Jeff Mills, Photographer, Photo Editor
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Columbus | OH | USA | Posted: 12:20 AM on 07.13.07 |
->> As still photographers we just naturally are supposed to be bitter about anything and everything TV does and its never going to be "fair".
Why do I have to stay 12 yards back on the sidelines but the dish guy can walk up and down the field (and usually stand in my way) ?
Why does TV get the best under the hoop spots on the baseline at a basketball game ?
Why can TV shoot a guy rounding the bases as he's running them but I have to stay in a packed dugout with that same cameraman blocking my only shot ?
And in the case of this thread, why can TV have a home plate remote but I can't ?
and on and on and on........
Its either because lifes not fair, or it might be something to with the networks representing a multi BILLION dollar industry and given my latest wire check, my images are worth about .000000001% of that ?? |
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Mark Smith, Photographer
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Elk City | OK | USA | Posted: 1:03 AM on 07.13.07 |
->> "It's probably less of a problem for a home run derby,"
Yes, zero problem would be "less of a problem".
The only running around on the field during a home run derby is by the little leaguers in the outfield catching the "outs". I'm pretty sure they never got close to a remote.
What's the fuss about. There are exactly 2 players on the field during a home run derby. One never leaves the mound and the other never leaves homeplate unless he's toweling off. |
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