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Mark Sutton, Photographer
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Herndon | VA | USA | Posted: 4:40 PM on 05.21.07 |
| ->> Ok. I’m ready to stop playing this awful game with myself and watching my HP take a thousand years to do anything with my RAW files and buy myself a MAC Pro. My question is will my PC Based Programs (Microsoft Office, Adobe CS2 Suite and Adobe Lightroom) be able to be loaded onto the MAC Pro? I do not want to repurchase anything and I’m still waiting for Adobe to get the bugs out of Photoshop CS3 before I buy that. Besides, Lightroom has almost made me forget about Photomechanic and Photoshop CS2. Any help will surely be appreciated. Thanks!!!! |
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Delane B. Rouse, Photographer, Photo Editor
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Washington | DC | US | Posted: 4:44 PM on 05.21.07 |
->> "will my PC Based Programs (Microsoft Office, Adobe CS2 Suite and Adobe Lightroom) be able to be loaded onto the MAC Pro?"
Short answer: NOPE
Longer answer: you can transfer your Adobe license from PeeCee to Macintosh, you have to call them and get the necessary license code(s). |
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Mark Sutton, Photographer
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Herndon | VA | USA | Posted: 4:47 PM on 05.21.07 |
| ->> Thanks. They will load, but they just won't work is what you are saying until I get a new code from Adobe? Is that correct? |
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Bryan Rinnert, Photographer, Photo Editor
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Raleigh | NC | United States | Posted: 4:53 PM on 05.21.07 |
->> If you run Bootcamp on a Intel Mac, YES.
http://www.apple.com/macosx/bootcamp/
Then you can run Windows and all your Windows software and your exiting licenses will be fine. The when your ready to upgrade, just buy the Mac version. |
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Samuel Lewis, Photographer
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Miami | FL | USA | Posted: 4:58 PM on 05.21.07 |
->> PC based programs can be loaded on a Mac using one of the various software solutions for running Windows on a Mac.
From what I understand, you can load a copy of Windows XP on a Mac Pro and use Boot Camp that will allow you to boot the computer into Windows (and then use all of your Windows-based software running under Windows XP). That might be the best solution for what you're trying to accomplish.
The other approach is to use software like Parallels, that will run Windows XP from within the Mac OS. For many applications, this solution works very well. However, I've heard that you're going to see better results with Photoshop under Boot Camp than you will if running from within Parallels (although if you're just trying to use typical windows programs like Microsoft Office, Outlook, IE, etc., Parallels is a great solution).
As Delane suggested, Adobe should let you transfer your licenses from PC to Mac. They generally require that you sign a form indicating that you've destroyed your windows versions, and they provide you with new media and a new serial number for the software. However, I would not recommend using the Mac version of Photoshop CS2 on the Mac Pro. The Mac version was not built as a universal binary (the term for software designed to run on the newer Intel chips and older PowerPC chips), and thus, must run through a built-in software interpreter called Rosetta. Rosetta is fine if you just need to run something, but I found that CS2 was painfully slow even under Rosetta (in all fairness, if you compare Rosetta to the way that Microsoft's VirtualPC used to work, you can't complain about Rosetta). CS3 was built as a universal binary, and the performance differences on the mac pro between CS2 and CS3 are night and day.
Hope this helps. |
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Delane B. Rouse, Photographer, Photo Editor
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Washington | DC | US | Posted: 5:52 PM on 05.21.07 |
->> Mark...you can't just tke your peecee installer CD/DVD and "load" it onto your Macintosh running OSX.
As Bryan stated, if you use Boot Camp you can install a version of Windoze...you could also use Parallels and do the same thing. The main difference is that with BootCamp you have to reboot the machine to run your Windoze operating system, with Parallels you just click the icon of the Windoze application and it runs.
Neither of those options should be the first option...the best thing to do is run the native OSX software (Universal Binary).
Re; Adobe, please don't take my word for it...call them and get the official word for them. I know that when I switched BACK to Macintosh, I called them up and we did the whole transaction on the phone. That was ~ 2 years ago... |
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Nick Doan, Photographer
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Scottsdale Phoenix Tempe | AZ | USA | Posted: 5:57 PM on 05.21.07 |
->> Boot camp works well enough. I am not that familiar with parallels, However, do not think tha you can just load your programs on a Mac Pro without a problem. Installing Boot Camp was a bigger chore than i thought. And thinking I can run things without issue in Windows just because it is on mac hardware is a fallacy. Windows has jsut as many problems tha it has on any machine, and doesn't run any better jsut because it's on a mac.
You still ahev to do all the updates of Windows, run the patches, worry abot virus protection and spyware, etc etc. After installing Xp, running updaets, spending a coupe of hours jsut to update the firmware of my mouse, and getign some programs installed, I was able to work in Windows. That was many multiple hours of work jsut to get to that point.
On the Mac side I transferred stuff from my old imac to new Mac pro, upgraded to CS3 (which works perfectly. Anybody complaining about Bugs probably isnt workig on a mac), installed the Universal Binary of photo mechanic, made sure my office software ran okay, and was working in under three hours.
The Mac Pro is a wonderful machine. A Mac pro running Xp is just a faster windows machine. |
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Preston Mack, Photographer
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Orlando | FL | USA | Posted: 7:09 PM on 05.21.07 |
->> I use parallels with my iMac daily.
I have the accounting stuff on there (quickbooks, quicken) and Word but I do not use RAM intensive stuff like photoshop.
I love how parallels operates like a normal mac program since you do not have to re-boot.
You should have as much RAM installed so your Mac will be able to habdle all the programs at once. |
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Delane B. Rouse, Photographer, Photo Editor
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Washington | DC | US | Posted: 7:46 PM on 05.21.07 |
| ->> Ditto Prestons comments...as I am a Parallels guy myself |
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Andrew Wilz, Photographer
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Aspen | CO | usa | Posted: 7:50 PM on 05.21.07 |
->> What kinda HP you have?
(I have one that screams... so that's why i'm asking...)
It's not a Mac or PC-thing if speed is an issue, and you have a 10 year old machine loaded with all kinds of crap that slows it down... Also, if your processor speed is slow, or if you have little RAM, these are things that also can affect your computing experience (which i'm sure you're well aware of). |
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Greg Ferguson, Photographer
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Scottsdale | Az | USA | Posted: 8:04 PM on 05.21.07 |
->> "And thinking I can run things without issue in Windows just because it is on mac hardware is a fallacy. Windows has jsut as many problems tha it has on any machine, and doesn't run any better jsut because it's on a mac."
That is correct, because the issues remain with, and inside, Windows. The Mac at that point is acting as a nearly-standard Intel-based laptop. The Mac OS is not supplying any of the standard Mac interface or underlying features. Windows is.
For absolute raw speed with Windows, Boot Camp is the best choice. However, because there is nothing between the Windows OS and the hardware, the laptop is susceptible to the same viruses that a generic "Windows PC" would, because, again, the holes lie in Windows, not the hardware. Make sure you have your security and anti-virus software running regularly because it will be a target.
Emulators like Parallels or VMWare run Windows inside a sandbox. There are some really cool advantages to doing that, and, from my experience, very few disadvantages. The biggest disadvantage is that the sandbox can add a layer of complexity when you want to do networking from Windows to the hosting OS, i.e., have Windows be able to read files or talk to the built-in Apache on the Mac Pro laptop. There's usually a few commands that'll have to be issued at the Mac OS command-line to make Parallels or VMware allow the Window's apps and OS access, but that's a good thing for you. Because Windows is restricted in what it can do, if it gets a virus or a security hole is exploited, getting past the sandbox will be really tough. And, if Windows gets corrupted or the registry goes kaput, you can revert to a previous snapshot of the entire virtual machine with a click and the system will return to that state, before the problem.
Personally, if it were my machine, I'd use either Parallels or VMWare. My desktop linux system runs VMWare with Win XP in it all day long in the background. Any time I need to do something window-ish, I just click and I'm at the Windows desktop. I see no difference in how fast apps run because the technology is very mature. I can see a day coming soon when we won't run Mac OS or Windows without a sandbox and VM emulator like Parallels or VMware. They're too convenient and much safer, and today's hardware is so fast that it's going to be a no-contest decision. |
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Michael Clark, Photographer
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Santa Fe | NM | USA | Posted: 8:20 PM on 05.21.07 |
->> Mark -
My version of Adobe Lightroom included both the Mac and PC version - check your box if you ordered it from Adobe. If not, the folks at Adobe can probably help swap it over to a Mac license. |
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Mark Sutton, Photographer
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Herndon | VA | USA | Posted: 12:16 AM on 05.22.07 |
| ->> I have a HP Pavillion Entertaiment PC with an Intel (R) Core 2 CPU @ 1.66 GHZ (T5500) and I have 2 G's of memory in it. Only thing I have loaded in the thing is Microsoft Money, Microsoft Office, Adobe CS2 Suite, Photo Mechanic, ITunes and Lightroom. I'm at the point where I really love Lightroom. I shot a College Baseball Tournament this past weekend and the various schools wanted pictures for their websites as soon as their stories were wrote and my poor little HP chugged along...... |
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Ron Erdrich, Photographer
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Abilene | TX | USA | Posted: 1:56 PM on 05.22.07 |
->> I use CS2 on a Powerbook Pismo upgraded to a 550 G4 processor running OSX 10.4.9 and, aside from it being a little slow sometimes, don't have many problems at all.
If you're looking at getting a new MBP, I don't think you'll have many problems at all with CS3 provided you have enough RAM. It's been my suspicion that Adobe designs these programs with Mac users in mind first, so I think they're stuff typically runs better (at least initially) on a Mac platform than on a PC. But that's just my guess based on reading and hearing peoples' complaints, I could be totally wrong.
-Ron- |
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