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CS3; be afraid, be very afraid...
Phil Hawkins, Photographer
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Fresno | ca | usa | Posted: 1:18 PM on 05.18.07 |
->> Some of you with good memories will remember my CS3 rants couple of weeks ago, and hard as this is to believe, my problems descended into hell. I think I have the situation finally resolved, but we will find out in the coming weeks.
if you have it in mind to upgrade in the near future, let me pass on my experiences, and very possibly it will save you all much anxiety.
IF you did not install the beta, and IF your machine is relatively new or you have done a Windows clean install recently (last 12 months) then I would say go ahead. Short of that, proceed with a great deal of caution.
If you are installing a final version on a machine that had the beta removed, in spite of what the install instructions say about removing the beta with Windows "Add/Remove", you better read this tome to make sure you don't have any problems.
http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/knowledgebase/index.cfm?event=view&id=KC.kb400...+0+13637944&mode=simple (If this link doesn't work, go to the Adobe knowledge base and search for "CS3 installation problems" and you'll get the "War and Peace" of fix documentation. You won't believe it!)
Basically, if you can wait, then do so. I am sitting here on my laptop as my desktop is in the shop having two new HDs installed (Raid controller) with a clean install of Windows XP due to irrepairable damage to my registry from the script and countless crashes by Bridge. It's costing me around $350 on TOP of the $200 inflated price for the "upgrade" itself.
Be afraid, be very afraid... "It was a dark and stormy night..." I'm serious, you have no idea what you're in for w/ CS3.
I'm reminded of the movie "Alien"... where will the beast strike next? How do we kill it w/o killing ourselves? What were we thinking letting the damned thing in the ship to begin with? Then, as Kane seemed to be recovering... well, you get the idea...
Phil |
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Marc F. Henning, Photographer
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Bentonville | AR | USA | Posted: 1:25 PM on 05.18.07 |
->> i guess i'm in the category of "IF you did not install the beta, and IF your machine is relatively new." i installed CS3 Extended on both my Intel iMac and Mac Book Pro last night and played around with it and didn't notice any problems. of course that was only about 2 hours worth of fiddlin' and i didn't dig too deep into the program.
crossing my fingers, but since i didn't install the beta and i'm on new Intel Mac's i'm really not that worried.
marc |
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Fredrik Naumann, Photographer
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Oslo | Oslo | Norway | Posted: 1:44 PM on 05.18.07 |
->> I am curious to know what improvements or essential tools (for a PJ) come with CS3, that are worth the $$$ and all the bugs?
Personally I am fairly happy using Photoshop 7 (on my iBook) or CS (on my iMac), and use only a fraction of the PS-functions for my work. As a PJ I do very little with my images after they are shot (color/contrast correction, unsharp mask, often thats it)
Working on the principle "don't fix what isn't broken", and being discouraged by the CS2/3 price tag, I don't really see myself upgrading any time soon. But I would be interested in hearing what anyone else feel that have gained from upgrading (apart from Phil getting high blood pressure ;-) ). |
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Phil Hawkins, Photographer
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Fresno | ca | usa | Posted: 2:14 PM on 05.18.07 |
->> You're both hitting the nail on the head.
I do a lot of landscape and portrait work as well, and the new Bridge (if it worked right) is great! ACR is much improved, and I love the new B&W function.
Fredrik, don't touch it. Leave well enough alone.
Marc, you will probably be OK, but I have heard of people having trouble with Macs, but nowhere near to the extent of folks on Windows machines.
Phil |
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Kirby Yau, Photographer, Assistant
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San Diego | CA | USA | Posted: 2:34 PM on 05.18.07 |
->> Hi Phil, thank you for posting your "rants" earlier this month, and I’ve been through your situation before. You made me a little weary, about moving to CS3 but alas I jumped in head first, but I've experienced the exact opposite result you did.
My two cents, I have a MacBook Pro, and I have the CS3 Design Collection and I can't be more pleased with it's performance in stability, and in speed. I've used it for two weeks now, integrated with Aperture and I've had no problems with it at all, except one crash with Flash CS 3 and that was because I was stupid and tried to import a gazillion things into an fla.
Quite possibly, but luck had been to due to, every time I get a new (vital, make money from) piece(s) of software such as the Adobe Suite I do a reformat and reinstall.
This can be quite tedious, but I've done it so many times I have a good system that gets be back up in about four hours and think of all the countless hours it saves in crashes, screwups, etc you might have down the line.
For those of you who are looking to upgrade to CS 3, its not bad. Give it a shot.
Fredrik: theres really no big improvements for a PJ, other than a faster Bridge, and if the PJ has a new Intel
Mac then he/she will experience a speedy work enviornment.
I wish you all luck, espcially Phil.
-K |
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Phil Hawkins, Photographer
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Fresno | ca | usa | Posted: 2:48 PM on 05.18.07 |
->> There you go; reformat, reinstall the OS and start from a clean slate... Do these things and you stand a good chance of not having a problem, especially if you're doing them on a Mac. Short of that... (enter music from the shower scene of "Psycho").
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Phil |
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Samuel Lewis, Photographer
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Miami | FL | USA | Posted: 3:21 PM on 05.18.07 |
->> I can't speak to the Windows experience, but for Mac's there's no need to be so extreme. Adobe's support has a downloadable program that will help clean out the remnants from the Beta if it was not deactivated and uninstalled (using the Adobe uninstallation program--they've started installing that under Applications/Utilities for Mac people) properly. The program, like so many others, comes with a set of ominous warnings about what bad things might happen if you run the program.
My personal experience was that the program worked like a charm. I had uninstalled the CS3 beta the way I would other Mac programs, by dropping it into the garbage bin. It was only afterwards that I learned there was a separate application for removing the Beta. Live and learn. In any event, the final release would not install until everything from the Beta had been cleaned up, and once cleaned using the Adobe app, the final release installed (and runs) just fine. |
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Delane B. Rouse, Photographer, Photo Editor
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Washington | DC | US | Posted: 4:19 PM on 05.18.07 |
| ->> I had the exact same experience as Samuel Lewis |
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Jim Colburn, Photographer
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Omaha | NE | USA | Posted: 4:21 PM on 05.18.07 |
->> "Some of you with good memories will remember my CS3 rants couple of weeks ago, and hard as this is to believe, my problems descended into hell"
You really should preface your anti-CS3 rants with a WINDOWS VERSION disclaimer...
It's why clever people use Macs. |
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Phil Hawkins, Photographer
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Fresno | ca | usa | Posted: 4:34 PM on 05.18.07 |
->> Jim,
Go to the Adobe user forums and you will find myriad people having problems with Macs as well. Agreed, it's not as prevelant, but Macs are not immune.
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Samuel,
More power to you, but with all due respect I would not be surprised if you have problems later. It makes no difference whether you are on a Mac or PC, if you are installing on a machine that had the beta on it, you are more than likely going to have problems. I too, ran the script, but that didn't keep the thing from crashing. Things started out working well, then... Again, I hope you don't experience what I went through, but don't start breathing just yet.
Phil |
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Debra L Rothenberg, Photographer
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New York | NY | USA | Posted: 4:36 PM on 05.18.07 |
->> My only reason for wanting to upgrade from what I have been using for awhile (CS) would be just to be able to open RAW images from my Nikon.
Other than that, I agree-"if it ain't broken, don't fix it" |
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Walter Calahan, Photographer
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Westminster | MD | USA | Posted: 4:40 PM on 05.18.07 |
->> I had zero problem doing this. Simply backed up the entire computer before running this program.
My complaint is why Adobe did this in the first place. Why was PhotoShop CS3 beta like a trojan horse? I ran the beta uninstall, but it didn't clean everything out! Why is that Adobe? So I was forced to ran their scary program to clean my computer so I could install Creative Suites 3. What a waste of time!!! Why is that Adobe.
That said, everything loaded fine after the cleaning. Everything seems to work as advertised. |
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Phil Hawkins, Photographer
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Fresno | ca | usa | Posted: 5:02 PM on 05.18.07 |
->> As I mentioned, my problem was probably worse than most, and as I think back, it had been about 3 years since I did a clean install of my OS, so it was probably littered with tons of useless flotsom in my registry which contributed to my problems with CS3, but jiminy! Never has an upgrade of PS been so incredibly difficult.
We will see how it goes when I get my machine back with two new raided HDs, with a pristine install of Windows XP, and NO other programs installed, NO anti-virus software, first install will be CS3. Now, how do I get around the issue of installing an upgrade when no previous version exists on my machine?
Film at 11.
Phil |
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Delane B. Rouse, Photographer, Photo Editor
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Washington | DC | US | Posted: 5:08 PM on 05.18.07 |
->> "how do I get around the issue of installing an upgrade when no previous version exists on my machine?"
It will either ask you for the CD that contains the previous version or in my case it simply requested the registration # for the previous version. I had deleted CS2 as well as the CS3 Beta so I had no previous version on my hard drive...same as you...
Delane |
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Fj Hughes, Photographer, Assistant
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Baltimore | MD | USA | Posted: 5:49 PM on 05.18.07 |
->> As Samuel mentioned and I posted in Phil's earlier threads, Adobe has a script to clean up the left over bits of CS3. I called Adobe Customer Support and they were very helpful. They admitted the problem and told me what to do. If you are having problems, don't hesitate to call Adobe! That is one of the reasons we pay for a license. It can save you a lot of headaches.
Other then that, I have had no problems with CS3 in the two weeks I have been using it. It is worth buying for the improvements to ACR alone. Curves has several new features which are real time savers. And it is lightening fast on my intel mac. I would not hesitate to buy CS3. |
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Chuck Steenburgh, Photographer
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Lexington | VA | USA | Posted: 6:14 PM on 05.18.07 |
->> The new ACR is worth the upgrade alone if you ask me; and the new selection tools are pretty spiffy, too. Of course, I was not an "expert" in the use of either in previous versions, so the new capabilities are not things I'd had a lot of experience working around.
However, unlike you, Phil, I have both an old XP system, AND I installed the beta, and I'm having no problems at all. And I'm begging for trouble with 7 hard drives, all different (4 external, some firewire, some USB), and a smorgasbord of crap of all kinds installed.
I don't use Bridge, though. PM is much better for what I do. |
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Preston Mack, Photographer
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Orlando | FL | USA | Posted: 6:48 PM on 05.18.07 |
->> I upgraded to CS3 on both my iMac and Macbook.
I used the Adobe script to clean up remnants of the CS3 Beta but that was easy to do.
No problems. I wanted to have all Universal Binary programs on my new machines, and I do love the speed increase. |
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Phil Hawkins, Photographer
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Fresno | ca | usa | Posted: 9:15 PM on 05.18.07 |
->> Chuck,
I do admit that all of my crashes were from using Bridge. But that still doesn't excuse Adobe from resonsibility from all this.
You better hold your breath using Bridge, my friend...
Good luck to all of you; you'll need it.
Phil |
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Mark Scheuern, Photographer
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Grand Blanc | MI | USA | Posted: 9:39 PM on 05.18.07 |
->> I did a clean install of XP before installing CS3. In fact, I replaced the hard drive in my laptop before I did it so I guess that's about as clean as one can get. So far, no problems, though I'm probably asking for it for saying that. I upgraded from version 7 so I'm really happy, plus I've switched from using Nikon Capture to Lightroom/ACR. I'm amazed at how much speedier it is and the great things it's done for my workflow. Replacing the Windows machine with a Mac would be even better but that'll have to wait for a bit.
Mark |
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Jody Gomez, Photographer
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Murrieta | CA | USA | Posted: 11:21 PM on 05.18.07 |
| ->> Must have been dumb luck for me. My laptop cruised through the entire process. Uninstalled the beta version (I think I even used Add/Remove Programs), uninstalled CS2, installed the full version of CS3, and have been going 100 mph ever since. I love it! :~) |
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Phil Hawkins, Photographer
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Fresno | ca | usa | Posted: 11:52 AM on 05.19.07 |
->> Jody,
Either you have a new computer or you're leading a charmed life, I don't know which.
More power to you!
Mark,
You should have no problems at all..
Phil |
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Frank Casimiro, Photographer
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Houston/Sugar Land | TX | USA | Posted: 12:21 PM on 05.19.07 |
| ->> No problems encountered here at all with CS3 on a Windows platform. Ran the beta during the test period, bought the upgrade release, uninstalled the beta, installed the upgrade with no issues whatsoever. |
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Michael Fischer, Photographer
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Spencer | Ia | USA | Posted: 1:03 PM on 05.19.07 |
->> Phil;
This too will pass. Sorry you've had so many problems with this.
Think I'll just keep using what I've got.
Michael |
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Cody Boor, Photographer
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Las Vegas | NV | USA | Posted: 8:45 PM on 05.19.07 |
| ->> I Just got CS3 last week on my Mac Book Pro and have not had a single problem with it i love it soooo much please dont take and offince to this but i think your problem might just be that your useing a windown comp and not a Mac. |
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Dave Pawlak, Photographer
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Soquel | Ca | USA | Posted: 11:37 AM on 05.20.07 |
| ->> I've been running Lightroom, CS3, and the new Bridge for several weeks now without any problems. I'm running PC based software and upgraded from CS2. I ran the CS3 beta version for about a week until it was ended by Adobe. |
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Leonard Spoden, Photographer
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Vienna | VA | USA | Posted: 6:45 AM on 05.21.07 |
| ->> I have CS3 on a MAC PRO and it crashes all the time. I am thinking of going back to CS2 until Adobe issues a fix. |
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