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20D Shutter Life
Steve Root, Student/Intern
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St. Louis | MO | United States | Posted: 5:36 PM on 07.10.06 |
->> I've tried searching the boards, but I haven't quite found what I'm looking for. I'm wondering if anyone has any idea what the expected shutter life on the 20D is. I know that Canon doesn't list it, but I'd also be curious to wonder how many clicks other people have gotten out of theirs. Thanks.
Steve |
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Richard Wolowicz, Photographer
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Brossard | QC | Canada | Posted: 7:49 PM on 07.10.06 |
->> Just got mine back from CPS ... 66K and they want to change the shutter at a RIDICULOUS price. I told them to send it back to me and I'll shoot it till it dies.
I read somewhere that Canon rated it at 100K.
Richard |
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Vance Green, Photographer
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Boise | ID | USA | Posted: 8:10 PM on 07.10.06 |
->> I thought I remember reading the 10d's life was 50k. I looked at mine one time, added it up and had like 75k. That convinced me to decided to upgrade to the 20d, but that was almost 2 years ago and the 10d still lives, but has not been put through the same abuse it had been.
Vance |
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Kevin Sanders, Student/Intern, Photographer
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Des Moines | IA | USA | Posted: 8:32 PM on 07.10.06 |
| ->> Richard - how much did CPS want to replace the shutter for? Just curious, as I haven't blown a shutter... yet. |
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Richard Wolowicz, Photographer
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Brossard | QC | Canada | Posted: 9:48 PM on 07.10.06 |
->> Kevin - the funny thing about the whole story was that I dropped off the 20D to have the lens lock/unlock button fixed and to have the focus point prism set back in place (long story involving me and a hockey player colliding). When I called a few days later they told me the shutter needed replacing with only 66K.
I never had any problems with the shutter and refused the service. CPS advised me that they wouldn't repair 2/3 things ... against their policy ... so I took back the un-repaired 20D.
Total for repairs ... about $750.
It's now on it's way to Midstate Camera Repairs in RI ... thanks to Mr.Frischling for mentionning them in another post. The guy at MCR laughed when I told him the quote ... said it was only going to cost a fraction of that.
I'll know more tomorrow when they receive the body.
Richard |
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Mark Watkins, Photographer
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Acworth | GA | USA | Posted: 10:42 PM on 07.10.06 |
| ->> I have a had shutters replaced in my 10Ds and the cost was like $185 total at a local independent Canon authorized shop. So far have not needed any 20D shutters. The 10Ds were at approx 80k and 120k when they failed. |
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Bruce Twitchell, Photographer
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Coeur d'Alene | ID | USA | Posted: 10:43 PM on 07.10.06 |
->> The shutter on my 20D went out around 60K, don't know for sure that this was the number but it was close to this. Sent it to Canon and it cost about $350 to get it back along with a complete cleaning and calibration. THis was about 6 months ago and I am still using it.
As far as the 10D, I have had one that I bought used about 2 years ago, still use it as second body. It is built like a tank. |
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Seh Suan Ngoh, Photographer
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Singapore | SG | Singapore | Posted: 12:16 AM on 07.11.06 |
->> I replaced my 10D shutter at about 64+K, as a preventive measure. Only one camera body then, couldn't take the risk of shutter failure while shooting.
But one thing for sure - the mirror mechanism sure sounds a heck lot softer than it was new! |
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Walter Calahan, Photographer
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Westminster | MD | USA | Posted: 8:08 AM on 07.11.06 |
->> All depend on what kind of life the 20D shutter wants. Some are party animals. Others like to stay at home and read. Some wander the world in search. Others are content to stay put.
Grin. |
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Darrell Walker, Photographer
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Smyrna (Atlanta) | GA | USA | Posted: 8:42 AM on 07.11.06 |
->> I just sent my 20D in for repair yesterday. My shutter died two days before my one year warranty expired. I also have a Mack warranty (3 years additional). Very cheap insurance because the shutter will fail eventually. I put 70k on my camera.
D. Walker |
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Steve Conner, Photographer
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Eagle | ID | USA | Posted: 12:08 AM on 10.07.06 |
->> Bruce,
When your shutter went out. What did the camera do? I was shooting a football game tonight when my camera basically went crazy. Camera gave Err 99 then the mirror or shutter keeps tripping. No pictures being taken and no data showing on the lcd. If I turn the power off it stops, when I turn it back on it trips with each movement of the switch. Also if I remove the lens it will do it a couple of times. I tired new batteries and it just continues to trip.
If anyone has had this happen before please let me know. I will also be calling Canon first thing in the morning.
Thanks for any comments
Steve |
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Jim Helsel, Photographer, Photo Editor
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Christchurch | NZ | New Zealand | Posted: 5:38 AM on 10.07.06 |
->> Steve,
Same thing happened to me while shooting V8 Supercars. Went to the media room to clear out a memory card, popped in a fresh battery, when I turned the camera back on, the shutter went crazy. Exact same symptoms.
Sent the camera to Canon who replaced the shutter under warranty. Camera has worke fine since.
Don't know what the expectd life is, but mine went out at 45,000 actuations. Funny thing is, my "new" shutter now registers in at 4,606,059 actuations on Photo Mechanic. Might be a glitch in the program with th 20D, as I now shoot with a MkII N and the 20D is now my backup, of which I barely have 1000 actuations on since it was returned.
Jim |
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Steve Conner, Photographer
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Eagle | ID | USA | Posted: 10:00 AM on 10.07.06 |
->> Jim,
Thanks, I had the shutter replaced a year ago almost to the day by Canon. Also I'm glad that you mentioned the actuations mine in Photo Mechanic was reading 3090999.
Thanks again, My call to canon is next
Steve |
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Seh Suan Ngoh, Photographer
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Singapore | SG | Singapore | Posted: 12:02 PM on 10.07.06 |
| ->> Steve, what camera were you using? EOS-1 family or 10/20D? |
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Steve Conner, Photographer
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Eagle | ID | USA | Posted: 12:58 PM on 10.07.06 |
->> Seh,
I was using 20D
Steve |
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Seh Suan Ngoh, Photographer
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Singapore | SG | Singapore | Posted: 9:05 PM on 10.07.06 |
| ->> I'm not so sure Photo Mechanic can read the shutter count in the 20D. Are you sure you have that many shots on the 20D already? I believe the shutter count is only recorded into EXIF for the EOS-1 series of DSLRs. |
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Bruce Twitchell, Photographer
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Coeur d'Alene | ID | USA | Posted: 9:58 PM on 10.07.06 |
->> Steve,
That is exactly what happened with mine. You described it to a T. |
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Kristina Barker, Student/Intern, Photographer
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Youngstown | Oh | USA | Posted: 7:58 PM on 10.08.06 |
->> I hope this isn't too dumb of a question..
I've been poking around online trying to find out how I can figure out how many clicks my camera has gone through.. how are you guys getting your shutter number? I never set up an actuation sequence when I started using my camera, so is there a way for me to figure that out?
The individual folders that the 20D makes when shooting doesn't seem to make it any easier. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance! |
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Max Gersh, Student/Intern, Photographer
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Louisville | KY | USA | Posted: 8:14 PM on 10.08.06 |
->> Well, I dont know if I am lucky but in Photo Mechanic, both of my D30's read at having over 4million frames. One of them needed its shutter replaced but they are both clicking away still. The one I had to replace cost about $200.
-Max- |
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Steve Conner, Photographer
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Eagle | ID | USA | Posted: 9:39 PM on 10.08.06 |
->> Thanks for all the comments on this issue. I will be sending the camera in on Monday.
Regarding the issue of actuations from the camera in Photo Mechanic, I recently received an explanation on what we are seeing with cameras that do not include the 1D's and 5D's. This came from Kirk at Camera Bits.
You were wondering about the actuation count variable in Photo
Mechanic in regards to the Canon 20D. The value that appears
on a 20D image comes from a combination of the folder number
that the image came from and the frame number of the image
itself.
So if you had and image that was in folder 107 and its frame
number was 1000, the value you would see in Photo Mechanic
would be 1071000.
Only the Canon 1D series and the 5D have an actual shutter
actuation count.
I hope this helps everyone out, and I want to thank Kirk for contacting me to clear up the missunderstanding about the numbers we were seeing.
Steve |
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Jim Helsel, Photographer, Photo Editor
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Christchurch | NZ | New Zealand | Posted: 9:42 PM on 10.08.06 |
->> Seh,
As I said in my post, I only have 1000 actuations on my new shutter. Photo Mechanics registers in at over 4 million. I understand now that Photo Mechanic cannot read a 20D. My 6 month old MKII N has just under 26K on it.
Kristina,
If you are using an EOS 1 series camera, just add actuations to your Info Text in Photo Mechanic.
Jim |
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Daniel McElmury, Photographer
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San Francisco | CA | | Posted: 11:34 PM on 10.08.06 |
| ->> Check this out. I have 2 20Ds. I bought them about 4 months apart. They both went out within 24 hours of eachother as was described above by the shutter going crazy. Canon never heard of two cameras going out simultaneously. Still under warranty, they determined I had shot just over 200,00 actuations per camera and completely refurbished my cameras with a new shutter, new shutter button, new battery grip chip, and a couple other things. The cameras run great again, and all for $190 per body. Crazy! I've now outgrown them wishing I had faster focusing. 1DN MKII's here come. |
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