| Sign in: |
| Members log in here with your user name and password to access the your admin page and other special features. |
|
|
|
|
|| SportsShooter.com: Member Message Board
F**KING DVD"S-- HELP
Joshua Prezant, Photographer
 |
North Miami Beach | FL | USA | Posted: 7:20 PM on 02.27.06 |
->> I do not understand this problem I am having. ONE out of every 5 DVD's I burn do not make it till the end of the verification procees. I am using Toast ( 6) and my Power book w/ Superdrive.
I have used all kinds of DVDs.. Currently I am using memorex. I burn the DVD...WAITING A FREAKING hour till the 1x burner finished ( and it is recomended to burn at the slowest you can for archival perposes) then wait for 30 minutes till almost the end of the verifcation when I get a thing saying it was unreadable.EEEEEEER.
WHAT AM I DOING WRONG? IS THIS NORMAL. NO WONDER WHY MANY DO NOT BURN DVD BACKUPS!!!!!
HELP
THANKS |
|
Wesley R. Bush, Photographer
 |
Nashville | TN | U.S. | Posted: 7:24 PM on 02.27.06 |
| ->> I used to have a Memorex burner that did the same thing. The blue clear looking one. I ditched it and am using Iomega now. No problems. Nice thread title btw. I'm sure other members will love it. |
|
Christina Barany, Student/Intern, Photographer
|
Ventura | CA | United States | Posted: 7:34 PM on 02.27.06 |
| ->> I've had that problem before but when I took the DVD out and put it back in my computer and looked at it all the files were there and intact. Have you checked to see if that message is telling you the truth? |
|
Robert Caplin, Photographer
|
New York | NY | USA | Posted: 7:45 PM on 02.27.06 |
| ->> I've never been able to successfully verify a DVD...yet all is there...I'm using Toast as well. You are not alone... |
|
Alex Menendez, Photographer
|
Orlando | FL | USA | Posted: 8:14 PM on 02.27.06 |
->> Could just be bad media (DVD). I author video to DVD everyday and have encountered about every imaginable problem there is. Back when a single DVD cost $8.00 per disc I once went through over 100 in a week and all were bad either due to the software, computer, burner or just operator error, but there were a bunch that were incompatible with my particular burner in the end. I know of some people right here in Orlando who own HP laptops and have yet to have a successful burn on HP DVD's. I currently own 6 Macs and use Verbatim DVDs or TDK media, they seem to work quite well.
Try to see if this site helps- www.dvddemystified.com
sorry |
|
Sam Morris, Photographer
|
Henderson (Las Vegas) | NV | USA | Posted: 9:23 PM on 02.27.06 |
->> Joshua,
I can't help you with the problem you are having, but I recently heeded the advice of many on SS who insist archiving on a hard drive is the only way to go. I just picked up a 250 GB Iomega external hard drive for $80 (after rebate, of course) and began copying all my CD's and DVD's to it. The price for hard drives have come down enough that there seems to be no reason to archive on CD/DVD, especially given their lack of... is archivability a word?
Fortunately, my discs have survived the past seven years without any problems. At least the first 100 haven't had any problems. |
|
Andrew Wheeler, Photographer
|
Capitola | CA | USA | Posted: 10:36 PM on 02.27.06 |
->> Same as Sam...
Hard drives are the only way to go.
Andrew :) |
|
Jenny Cecil, Photographer
|
Orlando (The Villages) | FL | USA | Posted: 10:43 PM on 02.27.06 |
| ->> Joshua, I was having similar problems. So,(this is for you Sam) four months ago I purchased a top of the line Western Digital external hard drive. Apparently, there is a needle inside and if you shake it the slightest bit, kiss the whole thing goodbye. Now I have to pay those arrogant Geek Squad kids $89 just to look at it, that doesn't include extracting all my files from it. Either way, DVDs or external hard drives I must preach AGAIN fellow SS, learn from my mistakes! If anyone figures out an easier way to do this let me know. |
|
Landon Finch, Photographer, Assistant
|
Colorado Springs | CO | USA | Posted: 10:44 PM on 02.27.06 |
| ->> I wouldn't use any DVD made by "F King", I've never heard of that brand. Only trust the brands you've heard of. |
|
Barry Markowitz, Photographer
 |
Laie | Hi | USA | Posted: 10:58 PM on 02.27.06 |
| ->> Try using a slower burning speed, and Delkin Gold DVDs. |
|
Jason DeMott, Photographer
|
Gainesville | VA | USA | Posted: 11:16 PM on 02.27.06 |
->> Check for a firmware/aspi update on the manufacturer's site, sounds like it may help.
-Jason |
|
Mark Perlstein, Photographer
|
Plano | TX | USA | Posted: 11:39 PM on 02.27.06 |
| ->> JOSHUA-I have a newer Powerbook with a 4x superdrive and the only dvd's that will burn at rated speed is Apple and TDK. I tried 8 major brands 8x and 16x dvd's and only the Apple and TDK worked at rated speeds. I would take your Powerbook into an Apple Store and have their in house tech check your superdrive. A google search of the powerbook superdrives turns up a boatload of unhappy owners. |
|
David Collyer, Photographer
|
Haleiwa | HI | USA | Posted: 12:08 AM on 02.28.06 |
->> Joshua
I use an external DVD/CD driver manufactured by La Cie that was suggested by a Mac dealer here in Singapore. It has worked well so far and is faster than the dreaded 'Superdrive' on my powerbook.
The DVD burner on the mac tends to be excruciatingly slow and unreliable although it is convenient. Agree with others that the verification process on the superdrive is usually inconsistent with the actual results and the data always seems to be there. I use external hard drives as back up but have learned the hard way that they crash and break your heart! |
|
Kirby Yau, Photographer
|
El Cajon | CA | USA | Posted: 2:20 AM on 02.28.06 |
| ->> Hey Joshua, I second David Collyer's suggestion. I hated the SuperDrive that resides in my PowerBook that I purchased a firewire external DVD-R, I haven't had an issue since. |
|
Francis Specker, Photographer
|
Riverside | CA | USA | Posted: 2:24 AM on 02.28.06 |
->> I had a rash of DVD verifications problems using various settings. I figured the problem may have been my hard drive which the files were written from. So I ran some disk utilities and optimized my drive (external HD) and it fixed the problem. My theory is that sometimes a bad block on the hard drive may interfere with veriyfying/copying the data from the DVD.
I think trying to back-up stuff with a HD is a bad idea. One little bump and that platter going 5000-7000 rpm will engage the write head and kiss your data good-bye! You should back-up the hard-drive, not back-up to it.
I have 10 year CD's that I burned that I can still read. There are some 100 year-old vinyl records that you can still play, so maybe the sky is falling attitude about CD's and DVD longevity is overated.
Maybe Venus and Serena William's father has the perfect solution. I would see him shoot his daughters at the US Open with a digital camera. He would just use a brand new CF card everytime he shot, instead of copying and reformatting the card. I guess he thought of the CF cards as film and you had to buy a new CF card whenever you shot. |
|
Liane Rebeka Gersich, Photographer
|
Naperville/Madison | IL/WI | USA | Posted: 5:06 AM on 02.28.06 |
->> Hi Josh.
I LOVE the title BTW. Caught my attention.
I used to burn & verify multiple Memorex DVDs a day. The problem must be either your software, or your burner.
I have problems with Toast6 too. Just burning data.
You have to put the disk in before the warning ask's for it. Then just hit enter and it will burn. Ignore the warnings.
Try it out in a DVD player just to make sure everything is there. If not, it's definitely the software. You might be missing a file.
Let ME know if that doesn't work.
I'd be more than happy to help!
LAnO:) |
|
Brian Light, Photographer
|
Pennsville | NJ | USA | Posted: 9:01 AM on 02.28.06 |
->> FYI... Toast 7 is out now as well.
Another thing is to be sure your Toast 6 software is updated with the updates that are available for it from Roxio. Another thing I did was do a firmware upgrade on the DVD player. It was a while ago but I found a way to do it on the Mac and it seems better since.
A quick question... What happens when you burn from the finder instead of with Toast? |
|
Alan Look, Photographer
|
Bloomington | IL | United States | Posted: 9:57 AM on 02.28.06 |
->> PhotoShelter is the answer... short of your own redundant mirroring raid servers in multiple parts of the world.
- Hard drives are mechanical and electronical. Sooner or later they WILL fail.
- CD's/DVD's have their problems, but at least your only spinning them when you need something. The hard drives spin when they are plugged in and spin a lot more data than any single CD or DVD.
As far as the problem with Toast. Try a different software if you've already tried different media. Call the vendors helpline when you have a few extra hours. Heck, try a different operating system if you really have to.
Sorry, none of that answered your question - just your porblem. |
|
John Green, Photographer, Photo Editor
|
Northern | CA | USA | Posted: 9:57 AM on 02.28.06 |
| ->> why did eight people say this was inappropriate |
|
andrew wilz, Photographer
|
Aspen | CO | usa | Posted: 11:07 AM on 02.28.06 |
->> Apple Schmapple..
I got an xternal Sony DVD burner... I've been using it with Nero software... It verifies burns... it takes F O R E V E R.... but my stuff is safe on DVD... and oh... it takes F O R E V E R ... . . but... did i mention... my stuff is s a f e . . . .
(HDs are nice and all... but when the SH%T hits the fan... and your HD fails... then you've got issues... ) |
|
Julian Jenkins, Photographer
|
Meridian | ID | USA | Posted: 11:22 AM on 02.28.06 |
->> John-
I'm guessing the F- bomb (although covered up) in the title. |
|
David Lucas, Photographer
|
Toronto | On | Canada | Posted: 11:24 AM on 02.28.06 |
->> I would like to caution all those who are "Archiving" with a hard drive. If that hard drive fails... you are S.O.L.. All those hundreds of gigs of images gone. Or you could spend thousands of dollars to get them back from a company that deals in recovery. If you are going to put your images on hard drives i would back them up on DVD as well.
Here is another thread on the ECNPA boards.
http://www.ecnpa.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=2511&highlight=archiving
Cheers
David Lucas
Staff Photographer
Toronto Sun
www.torontosun.com
www.davidlucasphotography.com |
|
Julian Jenkins, Photographer
|
Meridian | ID | USA | Posted: 11:30 AM on 02.28.06 |
| ->> I always back them up on a HD. I always buy two exact HDs. My latest is 400 GB ones. Buy two and mirror them. One is keep in the safe box at the bank and backed up every week. |
|
Doug Murray, Photographer
|
West Palm Beach | FL | USA | Posted: 11:47 AM on 02.28.06 |
->> David and Julian's suggestions are right on the money...hard drives fail...either use mirrored drives or back up to DVD.
I have had hundreds of images trapped on a dead drive and I decided it was not a financially viable option to try to rccover them.
It only takes one dead hard drive to make you a believer in backing and backing up often. |
|
Johnny Vy, Photographer, Student/Intern
|
San Gabriel | CA | USA | Posted: 12:02 PM on 02.28.06 |
| ->> I think it's a good idea to have backups in various forms of media. Although it may not be practical, just think about all the situations that could go wrong. In addition to possible mechanical failure, someone could break in and steal your external hard drive. All they'd have to do is format it, and keep it for themselves, or even sell it. I know a guy who keeps three copies of the same DVD in various places: home, studio, bank, etc. . .just in case his house or studio burn down or something. Impractical yes, but better safe than sorry. |
|
Primoz Jeroncic, Photographer
|
Kranj | SI | Slovenia | Posted: 12:15 PM on 02.28.06 |
->> I don't know how much of help this will be, especially since I have no experience with Powerbooks and their DVD burners. But with every single laptop I had until now, dvd (or cd) burner is just that marketing guys can say "Look we put dvd burner in our fancy laptop". And personally I don't even think on using them for making backups.
No matter how good media you have it just doesn't work. No idea why, but while pretty much everything goes through on stationary computer, laptop has in best case 30% success rate... with noname dvd's it's even worse. And I don't even want to think what would be with those 30% of "good" cd's or dvd's after year. So if I use dvds for backup I make them on stationary computer not on laptop. |
|
Jon L Hendricks, Photographer
|
Merrillville | IN | USA | Posted: 12:20 PM on 02.28.06 |
| ->> I would upgrade to a newer external dvd burner and use High Grade DVD's such as Delkin's Archival Gold. Any dvd under $1.50 shouldn't be trusted since you get what you pay for. |
|
Louis Lopez, Photographer
|
Fontana | CA | USA | Posted: 1:49 PM on 02.28.06 |
->> So you guys actually go to the bank every week and get a hard drive out of you safe deposit box and then come back and back up your drive then go back? How about a fire safe in a separate part of your home or something like that.
I am all for backing up but I would thinking that all the bank trips would start to be a pain and would over time would get skipped which is more of a problem. |
|
John Froschauer, Photographer
 |
Tacoma | WA | USA | Posted: 2:02 PM on 02.28.06 |
| ->> It's the drive speed. I have an external Iomaga burner that will take whatever I throw at it. A paper I work for at times uses a slower burner and it chokes on verication. They have to be sure to stop the process and not OK it after the "Ding" asking to verify. We are both using Toast by the way. |
|
Clint Keller, Photographer
|
Fort Wayne | In | USA | Posted: 3:56 PM on 02.28.06 |
| ->> I haven't verified a dvd or cd in over 5 years and never had a problem. |
|
Howard Curtis Smith, Photographer
|
Easton | PA | USA | Posted: 5:16 PM on 02.28.06 |
->> I would switch over to a "Gold" DVD from Mitsui or Delkin. Treated properly they should last 100 years, not that we will be using DVDs in 100 years, but at least they should still be readable in 10 to 20 years when you can transfer them to the latest archival media.
The better disks should cut down on verification errors. I use Mitsui Gold DVDs with Toast 6 on a AlBook all the time to burn my archives and get a verification error on no more than 1 in every 25 disks. None of those errors has been large enough to corrupt any of the images.
I also backup to a hard drive. |
|
William Jurasz, Photographer, Assistant
|
Cedar Park | TX | USA | Posted: 5:53 PM on 02.28.06 |
->> Joshua, I have a 1.67GHz G4 PowerBook with a SuperDrive. I burn at 4X and I use Finder to burn and verify, not Toast. I have at least a 95% success rate.
Ever since Tiger, using Finder to burn CD's and DVD's is rather nice and I stopped having a reason to use Toast to perform this task. I'm wondering if Toast is your problem. Worth giving Finder a try.
I agree with the statements by Andrew and others, though, that big FireWire hard drives are a better option than DVD's for archiving. |
|
Andrew Sullivan, Photographer
|
Kissimmee | FL | USA | Posted: 9:27 PM on 02.28.06 |
->> I believe Andrew Wilz is talking about Sony's DRX-810UL/T
External DVD drive. I picked this up last year and minus the one snafu where I erased my D drive through the Nero software it has worked flawlessly.
http://www.sonystyle.com/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/eCS/Store/en/-/USD/SY_Br...
It even goes both ways for you Mac-heads.
Andrew Sullivan
www.picandrew.com/sports.html |
|
Joshua Prezant, Photographer
|
North Miami Beach | FL | USA | Posted: 11:14 AM on 03.01.06 |
->> Thanks for all the input. But it seems to me that no matter what there is always going to be a certain percent of DVDs tha do not burn ( or varify).
ITs funny..I will get the message that the dic was not able to verify and then put in a new DVD and hit burn and then it will go through...without changing a thing.
Thanks again. |
|
Clark Brooks, Photo Editor, Photographer
|
Urbana | IL | USA | Posted: 11:44 AM on 03.01.06 |
->> I'm not a Mac user, but I have a Memorex 16x burner and use HP 8x disks (purple and white ones).
I use a 4x burn to archive and I never have a problem. I've gone through a pack of 50 platters without a verification error. Before I came up with this workflow I tried burning at 8x and every single disk, no matter what brand, would show errors upon verification. I stay away from TDK and Memorex because back in the 2x days I always got errors every other disk. That could have been the burner or software that was th problem. I'll never know. |
|
Patrick Tower, Photographer
|
Vernon Hills | IL | USA | Posted: 11:56 AM on 03.01.06 |
->> This sounds like the situation I had when I first got my 12" Powerbook (867 MHz). The fastest speed available was 1X, and it would coaster well over 40% of the DVD's I tried to burn (even using normally reliable Apple-branded media). In the process of trying to find a firmware update, I discovered that Apple had actually crippled the firmware in the early G4 Powerbooks, turning the 2x burner with DVD-RW support into a 1x non-RW burner.
If you're not using an early PowerBook, then this won't help you, and my only added comment is that I've had much better luck with TDK than Memorex media. If you do have one with a crippled drive, I highly recommend going to this site, downloading and installing the firmware updater:
http://superdrive.cynikal.net/
(All normal firmware updating caveats apply.)
Once it was updated, my drive not only reliably burned at 1x (which was my initial goal), but it would almost as often burn reliably at 2x, and it would burn CD's at 16x instead of the 4x or 8x limitation that Apple had placed on it.
Hope this helps. |
|
Jim Colburn, Photographer
|
Omaha | NE | USA | Posted: 12:11 PM on 03.01.06 |
->> "Hard drives are the only way to go."
Until they fail, being the mechanical devices that they are. |
|
Monty Rand, Photographer
|
Bangor | ME | USA | Posted: 6:40 PM on 03.01.06 |
->> "PhotoShelter is the answer... short of your own redundant mirroring raid servers in multiple parts of the world. "
Ah, no. Photoshelter is not the answer. I shot over 30GB's just last weekend along shooting 3 different tournaments and I'll be shooting about the same amount for the next 4 weekends. |
|
Ernie Rice, Photographer
|
Paragould | AR | USA | Posted: 7:43 PM on 03.01.06 |
->> Well, I was using DVD's for my backup. I burned 2 copies of everything and kept one copy off site in case of fire. Well I went back to find something from one of the older disks and it was bad. It was a gold Mitsui and it was stored according to their recommendations. I checked over the other disks in my archive and 2/3rd of the Mitsui disks were bad from 2 different batches of disks. The Memorex disks I've been using for the last 2 years are still good and the Pioneer disks I was using before the Mitsui are still good.
Between the 2 copies of the disks I got most of the photos back but not all. I had bad ones in the backups too BTW. Not always the same ones though.
Now I store my best photos on an external firewire enclosure with 2 400GB Seagate Barracuda drives set up in a mirror RAID and another firewire single disk 400GB Seagate Barracuda as the off site backup. So everything is on 3 different disks. And the original files are all burned to DVD.
DVD only is a nightmare I'll never do again and I suggest you avoid it as well. And if you use HD's then make sure you have more than one copy. |
|
Robert G. Stevens, Photographer
|
Halifax | NS | Canada | Posted: 11:02 PM on 03.01.06 |
->> I do something similar to Ernie Rice.
After a suggestion from another list, I have begun using a mirroring software. Is is called Mirror Folder. It works with external drives. When you connect the external drive, it will automatically sync the files.
http://www.techsoftpl.com/backup/
My current system has Raid 0 for my image files. This is two internal SATA drives using hardware Raid. I then have two external drives which I alternate mirroring to. Of these two external, I leave one offsite (cottage) and the other I leave connected and turn it on to automatically mirror after I download a shoot.
Worse things happen than hard drives crashing. You need to store a copy off site in case of fire or theft. Just think about all the work going out the door if your home got broken into and your computer stolen.
When on the road with the laptop, I also use a small external drive. When I ingest in Photomechanic, I have Photo Mechanic also copy the files to the external drive at the same time. I then copy the external drive to my main machine with the Raid 0 setup when I get home. |
|
Julian Jenkins, Photographer
|
Meridian | ID | USA | Posted: 3:30 AM on 03.02.06 |
->> I do hit the bank every week to get out the drive to back it up. My main reason was to have it off site from my office so a break-in/ fire/ whatever would only be a bad as the last I backed up.
Yes, it is a pain, a fire proof safe is a good one Louis. I have thought of that, just how fire safe are they I wonder? I never really looked into it. That could work I suppose but if it's small enough someone could cart it off (or maybe it's too heavy?)-* |
|
Ron Scheffler, Photographer
|
Hamilton (Toronto area) | Ontario | Canada | Posted: 8:06 AM on 03.02.06 |
->> I agree with Francis that you should consider running a utility, such as Disk Utility to repair your hard drive. Even better would be Disk Warrior to specifically address damaged disk directories.
I too had verification issues with my Mac back a few years ago running a Superdrive that was limited to 2x write speed. Any time the problem occurred, I repaired the directories and it seemed to solve the problem. I found that it also helped to turn off the power saving options, such as putting disks/displays to sleep, which seemed to cause disk write/verify errors.
Recently Toast aborted a burn the moment I unplugged a FW card reader. Certainly strange, but goes to show that any change in the computer's configuration during burn/verify would be enough to cause problems.
I would also suggest that you don't do any other work on the computer while burning/verifying disks. It's possible that whatever you're doing during the burn/verify process could change the location of some data and thus cause a verify error (this is just a guess).
Do you ever run any maintenance for the laptop's drive? I would recommend that you consider doing so. |
|
Michael Stevens, Photographer
|
Phoenix | AZ | USA | Posted: 1:25 AM on 03.05.06 |
->> As others have said multiple redundancies are neccessary. I've got one set of SATA drives hardware mirrored; three different U160 hardware striped arrays; I burn CDs of each shoot and when I have enough shoots on disk I burn a DVD of all that compiled content; and the tape backup is there as well.
But, that being said and not being relevant to the issue at all, if you have to burn your DVDs at 1x to make them "successfully" then I would suggest a hardware upgrade of some kind is neccessary.
I transmit for the Suns team photog and he's got this G4 laptop with a external firewire burner and if you do anything while toast is burning the disk will fail. This laptop can't be more than 3 years old.
I think it's been close to 6 or more years that I've worried about burning a CD or DVD on my PCs (3 workstations and 1 laptop). I know it's not a PC or Mac thing but we definitely have to stay on top of technology if we want to keep everything running smoothly.
Mike |
|
Return to --> Message Board Main Index
|