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How to retain IPTC data
Monty Rand, Photographer
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Bangor | ME | USA | Posted: 9:53 AM on 02.04.06 |
| ->> I'm trying to develope a workflow for adding photos to Photoshelter. I currently use Extensis Portfolio as my photo database. I add the photos, add a description, add keywords and life is good. However, when I have photoshop take these images and make them smaller to upload to photoshelter, they lose all the IPTC data. I have too many images to keep adding the IPTC twice. Is there a way to make JPEG images smaller and retain the IPTC data? Portfolio also has an option to make the images smaller, but there again, you lose the IPTC data. I can't believe there's no way to retain this data when re-sizing images. Am I missing somethng here? |
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Delane B. Rouse, Photographer, Photo Editor
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Washington, DC & Seattle | WA | US | Posted: 10:18 AM on 02.04.06 |
->> Monty, I have no problems retaining IPTC when if I resize in photoshop. I just did it to confirm this.
Also...why are you resizing the photos? It's really just extra work and now you have the same size image twice on your hard drive...are you not using photoshelter to archive as well as distribute? If not I'm assuming that if you make a sale you'll then upload the high res file... |
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Matthew Rosenberg, Photographer
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Philadelphia | PA | United States | Posted: 10:56 AM on 02.04.06 |
| ->> If you are using the save for web option it will strip all metadata from the image. The save as command should save the data. Just a thought. |
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David Meyer, Photographer
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Orlando | FL | USA | Posted: 12:53 PM on 02.04.06 |
->> Matthew is correct. Try using "Save as" instead of "Save for Web." I did a quick test on a 3.9 MB Canon 1D image by reducing resolution to 72 and constraining the largest dimension to 800 pixels. Using "Save for Web" at it's "Maximum" setting, Photoshop produced a 189 KB image with no IPTC information. Using "Save as" and reducing the "Image Quality" to 8 (high) produced a 65 KB image with IPTC information. I also think the quality of the file produced by "Save as" trumped that of "Save for Web."
Dave
P.S. - I did another test saving the same images at full resolution and size. "Save as" produced a 906 KB file with IPTC data intact while "Save for Web" stripped the IPTC data and produced a 3.7 MB file. |
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Chuck Steenburgh, Photographer, Photo Editor
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Lexington | VA | USA | Posted: 2:36 PM on 02.04.06 |
->> I think the answer is clear about how to retain IPTC data in PS.
But in making the point, a couple of you have made "Save for Web" sound pretty useless.
I can attest that, at a far more typical and practical setting of "5 or 6" for standard "Save As" JPG quality and "50 or 60" for "Save for Web," Save for Web files are generally both significantly smaller and of comparable quality.
Keep in mind that "Save for Web" was optimized for web designers for whom photos are just one element of many. It's not really for phogotgraphers trying to showcase their work on the web. |
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Ron Scheffler, Photographer
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Hamilton (Toronto area) | Ontario | Canada | Posted: 5:56 AM on 02.05.06 |
->> Monty, the last time I used Portfolio a while ago, it was my understanding that IPTC added after the images are in Portfolio is not actually embedded in the files themselves but rather is part of the database file linking to the image files (if that makes sense). If this is the case, then it's possible that files pulled out of the archive won't have the IPTC embedded. How do you extract the files? Do you export them somehow using Portfolio or do you actually find them on the hard drive and open them in Photoshop? Would it help to download the Portfolio user guide? It kind of doesn't make sense because you would think that one of the features of an asset management app like Portfolio would be to embed IPTC in exported files that you submit to clients, etc....
You might want to consider doing all of your captioning and editing first with Photo Mechanic and then adding the files to Portfolio. IPTC info embedded by Photo Mechanic will definitely survive edits in Photoshop and will be recognized by Portfolio. It might seem like one more step, but Photo Mechanic is very fast and powerful when it comes to captioning. It could possibly save you time otherwise spent captioning in Portfolio.
Ron |
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Trent Nelson, Photographer
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Salt Lake City | UT | USA | Posted: 9:24 AM on 02.05.06 |
| ->> Ron has your answer. |
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