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Intel now in Apple! iMacs & new powerbook!
Doug Keese, Student/Intern
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Miramar | FL | United States | Posted: 1:38 PM on 01.10.06 |
| ->> boy am i glad i decided to wait until this week to purchase a new computer! Go over to macrumors.com and watch the minute by minute updates of the apple confernece. The wait is over and there is the fasted notebook ever! Gee, i wonder if we could do the mac vs pc debate again. |
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John Froschauer, Photographer
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Tacoma | WA | USA | Posted: 1:43 PM on 01.10.06 |
| ->> Site quotes Jobs on the blog update about the duel core MacBook "4-5x faster". That will be nice if true. |
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Robert Longhitano, Photographer
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Philadelphia | PA | USA | Posted: 1:52 PM on 01.10.06 |
| ->> I wish they keep the Powerbook name. "MacBook Pro"??? Kinda of wimpy ;-) |
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Matthew Brown, Photographer
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White Plains | NY | USA | Posted: 1:58 PM on 01.10.06 |
| ->> Maybe they should have a contest to come up with a "creative name" and give the winner "Lifetime Updates and Upgrades". Wouldn't that be nice... Doug, thanks...our paper has been waiting for this new laptop. Any word on price? |
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Robert Longhitano, Photographer
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Philadelphia | PA | USA | Posted: 2:00 PM on 01.10.06 |
| ->> Besides being quicker the New PB has a very cool power adaptor it conects with a magnet. No more broken plugs! |
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Doug Keese, Student/Intern
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Miramar | FL | United States | Posted: 2:07 PM on 01.10.06 |
| ->> The apple store is now updated with all the new products. Check out the new stuff in iLife as well. There's photo podcasting. I'm curious to see how photoshop is gonna run on the intel machine, at least until Adobe comes out with the version for the intel Mac. And then how much will that upgrade cost? |
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Bruce Twitchell, Photographer
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Coeur d'Alene | ID | USA | Posted: 2:08 PM on 01.10.06 |
->> Starts at $2000
www.apple.com |
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Michael Hickey, Photographer
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Kokomo | IN | United States | Posted: 2:10 PM on 01.10.06 |
->> Holy Cow!!!! An FM tuner for the iPod!!!!
NOW is the time to buy an iPod. I can tune in my satellite radio to it, WONDERFUL!
Can anyone tell I'm excited? |
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Jan Langsner, Photographer
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Lloydminster | AB | Canada | Posted: 2:36 PM on 01.10.06 |
->> Not that this has anything to do with the computers themselves, however, from Apple's site "What's an Intel chip doing in a Mac? A whole lot more than it's ever done in a PC."
WOW! The exact reason I will never drink Pepsi. I hate advertising like that. You don't get any taller by standing on someone else face! Shame on you Apple! I thought you were better than that. |
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darrell miho, Photographer
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Temple City | CA | usa | Posted: 2:37 PM on 01.10.06 |
->> Macbook with dual Intel processor!!!
$1999 1.67 GHz Core Duo; 667 DDR bus, x1600; 512MB ram
$2499 1.83 GHz Core Duo; 667 DDR bus, x1600; 1GB ram
15.4inch LCD. bright as cinemas.
5.6lbs.
iSight,
Front Row;
New magnetic Power Adapter.
IR sensor.
Apple Remote.
iSight Camera.
Hair thinner than the 17".
Fastest notebook ever.
4-5x faster then old powerbook
for all the specs...
http://store.apple.com/ |
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Mark J. Rebilas, Photographer
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Seattle | WA | USA | Posted: 2:41 PM on 01.10.06 |
| ->> I wonder why they don't have firewire 800 port anymore. Thought that was the future of firewire? |
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Mike Isler, Photographer
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Santa Barbara | CA | US | Posted: 2:47 PM on 01.10.06 |
| ->> And they ditched the PC Card slot in favor of ExpressCard... which means no Verizon or Cingular data card support until a new ExpressCard version starts shipping. |
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Lucas Jackson, Photographer
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Ventura | CA | USA | Posted: 2:52 PM on 01.10.06 |
->> Bummer about the Verizon card, that is a serious benefit to the Powerbooks.
Other than that... dang.... time to start saving! |
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Delane B. Rouse, Photographer, Photo Editor
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Washington, DC & Seattle | WA | US | Posted: 2:56 PM on 01.10.06 |
->> WTF?!?!?!?! No PCMCIA card slot?
What is a ExpressCard/34 slot?
So now I have to purchase an additional firewire/USB reader? Is this right? |
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John David Mercer, Photographer
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Mobile | AL | USA | Posted: 3:23 PM on 01.10.06 |
->> For all those dialup to save your butt photo transmission you'll also have to purchase the USB adapter modem.
There goes my Verizon card and another means to transmit. |
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Greg Ferguson, Photographer
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Scottsdale | Az | USA | Posted: 3:38 PM on 01.10.06 |
->> Something real important to remember before rushing to put in an order, is that the software companies now need to get their hands on the units so they can start their testing.
It's going to be a while before Nikon and Canon, Adobe and CameraBits, iView, FotoQuote, and who knows what other apps we use daily get recompiled and possibly rewritten to *RUN* on the new machines. Until then it's not a situation of them running slowly like it was during the transition from 68K to PPC or Mac OS 9 to Mac OS X.
This is an entirely new architecture at the processor level, with no built-in PPC or 68K emulator. |
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William Jurasz, Photographer, Assistant
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Cedar Park | TX | USA | Posted: 3:44 PM on 01.10.06 |
| ->> Robert, the name "PowerBook" was dropped likely because it no longer has a PowerPC processor. Hence MacBook. I'm very excited about these new computers but very torn. I was on the design team of the original G4 processor. It was sad to see Motorola do so little with that processor. It was fantastic when it first came out but did not keep up over the years. And now I'm at AMD. Intel-based Macs? I'll buy it and love it, but with an ounce of regret. :) |
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Chuong Doan, Photographer
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Kansas City | MO | USA | Posted: 3:51 PM on 01.10.06 |
->> Wow. I feel bad for the people who've shelled out over $3k for the older PB's.
These prices are competitive with PC offerings. |
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Joseph Toth, Student/Intern, Photographer
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Ely, Cambs | UK | | Posted: 3:53 PM on 01.10.06 |
->> http://www.expresscard.org/web/site/press.jsp
Maybe this will explain all - I didn't see a lot out there as far as info. I am glad I waited to use my Student Discount, having said that I will wait for a future revision.
Joe |
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Devin Dahlgren, Photographer
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Everett | WA | USA | Posted: 3:56 PM on 01.10.06 |
->> This should help Virtual PC run faster too. If that's the case, you'll never see me post another "Make you PC look like a Mac" again.
Oh God! I think I'm about to have a Mac Attack!
Devin |
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Delane B. Rouse, Photographer, Photo Editor
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Washington, DC & Seattle | WA | US | Posted: 4:05 PM on 01.10.06 |
->> Chuong...no need to feel bad...those people have had the usage of a very good machine for quite some time so it's not like they have a $3000 piece of crap
(and to be fair, the $3000 machine was a 17" machine right...currently the MacBook is only available at 15") |
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Andrew Wheeler, Photographer
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Capitola | CA | USA | Posted: 4:18 PM on 01.10.06 |
->> IMO Macs have a longer useful life (amongst other things I still have a 500MHZ Cube that is used as a server - now - at home and it runs, and has run flawlessly since I bought it when it was announced)
Andrew :) |
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Michael McNamara, Photo Editor, Photographer
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St Louis | MO | USA | Posted: 4:22 PM on 01.10.06 |
| ->> Delane...my PowerBook 3400C cost about $5500 when I got it in 1997. |
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Pete Lorence, Photographer, Student/Intern
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Loughborough | Leicestershire | UK | Posted: 4:28 PM on 01.10.06 |
->> That looks awesome, would love to buy one, will wait a bit till I've made full use of my 12" Powerbook though, will have paid it off in a year's time!
I feel sorry for a mate of mine, he bought himself the revised Powerbook a month ago, taking advantage of the new screen etc., talk about a waste of money! |
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Ian L. Sitren, Photographer
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Palm Springs | CA | USA | Posted: 4:58 PM on 01.10.06 |
| ->> I'll wait, never buy the first of anything until it shakes out some. You might find out that the new "book" won't run CS2 if you are wearing a black SportsShooter cap during a full moon. Or something else that you need to do. |
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Juerg Schreiter, Photographer
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Greg Ferguson, Photographer
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Scottsdale | Az | USA | Posted: 7:00 PM on 01.10.06 |
| ->> I forgot about "Rosetta"... that's the software component that emumlates the PPC architecture on Intel Macs... sigh ... it gets so confusing running Classic on PPC inside an Intel based Mac now. |
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Saul Loeb, Photographer
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Phoenix | AZ | USA | Posted: 8:17 PM on 01.10.06 |
| ->> Why no mention of battery life on the Apple site? Or am I just missing it? |
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Andrew Mo, Student/Intern, Photographer
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San Diego | CA | USA | Posted: 8:58 PM on 01.10.06 |
| ->> Will the 17" version be called the Big MacBookPro and come with two all beef patties, special sauce and a sesame bun ? |
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Walter Tychnowicz, Photographer
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Edmonton | Alberta | Canada | Posted: 9:10 PM on 01.10.06 |
| ->> Here is my two cents worth.At our paper up here in Canada,we just got EVDO cards ( with 1 X mind you) that slides into our PC card slots on our older Ti Powerbooks .I have the newer PB G4 Aluminum with firewire 800 ,as well as the pc card slot.I am happy I still have mine .4 -5 x faster doesnt mean a thing to me if I cant plug a EVDo card in it,or buy an extra modem to go with it or even RUN CS2 .I think its great that they brought out a screaming machine ,but they have to make the current software work with it.As for Choung Doans quote, I have been more than happy with my PB even with the cost that I paid for it .Its paid for itself many times over for me and I will still be using mine for quite a while.I am going to miss firewire 800 as well as the PC slot and a few more items that seem to be missing on this new one. |
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Steven Georges, Photographer
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Long Beach | CA | USA | Posted: 1:04 AM on 01.11.06 |
->> The MagSafe power adapter is a wonderful idea. I've gone through more power adapters than I care to admit for my home and work Mac laptops. The old design was too fragile. You know what Apple's repair solution for fixing a loose power connection on your laptop is? No, not the soldering iron, they replace the whole bloody mother board! MagSafe looks like a great solution!
Mark-
I'm happy the rumors were wrong and there is still a FireWire port but what's the story with FW800? I do use it.
Delane-
Your right, no PCMCIA slot. I'm assuming the ExpressCard/34 slot takes less space and is faster. But it does mean replacing my Sprint card. Oh well, the REAL cost is the service, not the modem. Nowhere on the Apple web site does it say what exactly an ExpressCard/34 slot is.
William-
The "PowerBook" name has been around longer that the "PowerPC." But you're probably right, the name association was too much.
Greg-
Rosetta will cost you a performance hit but if the new CPU's are as fast as they say they are, they will still be faster than running a native G4 PowerBook.
Anyone know if Intel Mac's will still run "Classic" (OS 9) applications? |
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Jack Howard, Photographer
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Somerville | NJ | USA | Posted: 1:33 AM on 01.11.06 |
->> Steven, IIRC from MacWorld, the Intel Macs won't run Classic...I was thinking about upgrading a while back, but held off after reading about the Intel chip Macs, and I'm glad I didn't sell my 15" 667mhz TiBook that shipped with both OS9 and OSX...
I'll be holding on to this on those rare occasions I still need OS9, like running my film scanner and pulling an old DCS520 Raw file, which only load into PS5.5 in Classic/OS9... |
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Les Hassell, Photographer, Photo Editor
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Longview | TX | United States | Posted: 3:00 AM on 01.11.06 |
| ->> Jack, are you sure about the DCS 520 and PS 5.5? I was telling old war stories to our rookie photogs the other day and they couldn't believe we, at one time, used 1.3mp cameras so I dusted of one of the DCS 3c doorstops. I fired a few frames onto a CF card and CS actually opened the things up. I couldn't believe the thing still worked... the rookies couldn't believe we actually paid $16k for 'em. |
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Baron Sekiya, Photographer
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Kailua-Kona | HI | USA | Posted: 3:23 AM on 01.11.06 |
->> Good thing they kept a Firewire port on the computers. Just went to MicroMat's page and saw this little baby being intro'd today.
http://www.micromat.com/protege/protege_intro.html
I agree that the loss of Classic, FW800, RJ-11, S-Video, PC Card is a bit of a bummer. But I guess I survived the transition from Canon FD to EF lenses so when the time comes for me to buy a new MacBook it'll be okay. Especially since I probably wouldn't buy one until next year at the earliest. Still got plenty of life in my PBG4. |
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Jeff Gritchen, Photographer
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Long Beach | CA | USA | Posted: 3:31 AM on 01.11.06 |
->> "" >> I wish they keep the Powerbook name. "MacBook Pro"??? Kinda of wimpy ;-) ""
They changed the name from PowerMac because there is no longer a POWER pc chip inside of it |
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Baron Sekiya, Photographer
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Kailua-Kona | HI | USA | Posted: 3:44 AM on 01.11.06 |
->> Like Steven said, the PowerBook name has been around a lot longer than the PowerPC cpu used in them.
Maybe a name like SuperBook would have been better? I mean, how do you compete against the macho Panasonic ToughBook? |
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Julian Jenkins, Photographer
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Meridian | ID | USA | Posted: 10:57 AM on 01.11.06 |
->> Baron-
I think you have something here-
Call it a "MachoMac Book" |
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Michael P. King, Student/Intern, Photographer
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Columbus | OH | USA | Posted: 11:34 AM on 01.11.06 |
->> Is anyone being *forced* to buy a Macbook Pro?? If it doesn't have the hardware features that you need to use to do your job why would you spend the money right now?
I think it makes perfectly good sense to wait for the prices to come down more, allowing for compatible products (like expresscard products) to hit the market.
Walter said: "I am happy I still have mine. 4-5x faster doesnt mean a thing to me if I cant plug a EVDO card in it, or buy an extra modem to go with it or even RUN CS2." (Technically you can buy a USB modem, but it shouldn't be an extra.)
I think he's absolutely right.
Sure, I'm feeling the bliss of the new product announcement, but why buy the newest toy if you're going to have to somewhat dramatically change the ways you do basic functions, especially like transmitting? We're still not to a point where we can always rely on WiFi or a cellular signal to be there for us.
No FW800 is burning me, too.
--MPK |
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Thomas Boyd, Photographer
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Eugene | OR | USA | Posted: 11:51 AM on 01.11.06 |
->> The logic board on my PB Ti 667MHz just died. I need a new PB very soon.
I can get a refurb 15-inch, 1.67MHz for $1600.
Or, I can spend the extra and get the new one.
The issue of getting all new software doesn't excite me. I don't care about the PC Card. I don't care about FW800. I'm concerned about no modem, but it's something only use a couple times a year. When I do it's the last option and important. I suppose an express card modem will be offered.
I suppose it's not much of an issue, but I have a newer G5 desktop (Dual 2.7) and I'm a little concerned about two different sets of software.
I use the PB almost exclusively for tweaking and sending photos on deadline remotely. I don't do work on any projects or use it as my main computer. But, I do carry with me at all times.
I'm not sure what to do. Any thoughts?
Tom |
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Jim Colburn, Photographer
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Omaha | NE | USA | Posted: 12:00 PM on 01.11.06 |
->> "boy am i glad i decided to wait until this week to purchase a new computer!"
The two most important rules of computing:
1) RTFM (Read The F***ing Manual)
2) Never buy version one of anything |
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David Meyer, Photographer
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Orlando | FL | USA | Posted: 3:10 PM on 01.11.06 |
->> Food for Thought
I watched Jobs' keynote in its entirety last night. He candidly stated that Photoshop on the new Intel machines would probably not meet the needs of a professional. Photoshop is not "Universal" at this time and will be running under Rosetta until it is. If it were me (and it may be in six to 12 months), I would wait until your core apps are "Universal."
http://developer.apple.com/macosx/adoptinguniversalbinaries.html |
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Pete Lorence, Photographer, Student/Intern
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Loughborough | Leicestershire | UK | Posted: 3:16 PM on 01.11.06 |
| ->> David, does Jobs mean that current versions of Photoshop will run mindnumbingly slow on the new processor? |
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David Meyer, Photographer
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Orlando | FL | USA | Posted: 3:40 PM on 01.11.06 |
->> Pete,
I'm not sure what he was implying as I haven't seen the new machines in action first-hand. It would be wrong for me to surmise about anything until I have.
I'm only basing my comments on what Jobs said. His pro/Photoshop statement caught my attention because I found it odd that he would downplay the capabilities of his product at all in his keynote. Jobs is a very smart man and great at marketing products. In my opinion, he wouldn't let a statement like that slip without good reason.
David
BTW - The complete 90-minute keynote is available here:
http://www.apple.com/quicktime/qtv/mwsf06/ |
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Gene Blevins, Photographer
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Woodland Hills | CA | USA | Posted: 5:05 PM on 01.11.06 |
| ->> I was at the show for 1 day and put up some photos on my page, but to be honest about 60% of this show was more of a iPod Expo. There was more iPod's and every thing that could be thought of as accessories than Mac computers at the show!! |
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Doug Keese, Student/Intern
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Miramar | FL | United States | Posted: 5:33 PM on 01.11.06 |
| ->> I ordered mine last night. (simply b/c I was in the market to buy one anyway, not b/c i had to have the latest thing) It ships on the 18th. If a review hasn't been posted by a photog yet, I'll load up Photoshop as soon as i get it out of the box and see what really happens so there's no more speculation. I look forward to hearing/providing results! |
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Monty Rand, Photographer
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Bangor | ME | USA | Posted: 7:28 PM on 01.11.06 |
| ->> I would think apple or Adobe should be able to tell us if this thing runs CS2 or not. |
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David Meyer, Photographer
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Orlando | FL | USA | Posted: 10:03 PM on 01.11.06 |
->> Monty,
It does run Photoshop. Jobs demoed(sp?) it on an Intel iMac during his keynote yesterday. I think the question is how efficiently it runs under Rosetta as it is not a "Universal" binary yet. Jobs went out of his way to say that professionals may find it lacking in its current configuration. He also made a light-hearted jab at the load time when starting up the application. Not trying to stir up trouble. Just passing along what I saw/heard.
David |
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Ron Scheffler, Photographer
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Hamilton (Toronto area) | Ontario | Canada | Posted: 4:47 AM on 01.12.06 |
->> http://www.expresscard.org/web/site/qa.jsp
http://www.expresscard.org/web/site/about.jsp
From the FAQ in the first link:
4. What applications are expected to be supported by the different sizes of ExpressCard module?
All of the existing PC Card applications will likely be available as ExpressCard modules. The ExpressCard/34 form factor provides sufficient power, thermal dissipation and circuit board real estate to support a very extensive range of applications including:
Communications: wired and wireless,
Storage: Solid state and small (one inch) rotating optical and magnetic micro-drives
Security: Identity sensors
Adapters: Flash memory cards
Module developers will attempt to fit their applications into the smaller ExpressCard/34 wherever possible but there are some that can only be built as the larger ExpressCard/54 module. Some examples of this are: SmartCard* readers, Compact Flash readers, and hard drives with 1.8 inch platters. The media used in these applications is simply wider than can be accommodated by an ExpressCard/34 module.
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Looks like Apple is an early adopter again, as they were with USB way back when... I guess eventually ExpressCard will be as common as the current PCMCIA Cardbus format, but that may not be very useful now - oh the joy of being on the cutting edge. Hopefully Apple will include a slot in a smaller version of the MacBook, since that is one of the few things missing from the 12" books.
ExpressCard does look interesting though... since it's compatible with PCI-Express, it could potentially become an alternative to the internal expansion slots in current desktop computers and afford similar expandability for notebooks and small desktop units. My guess is you'll see cards with SATA connections as an alternative to the missing FW800 port... and maybe several card slots in computers like the iMac and Mini to allow for greater end user expansion options without the need to open the computer housing. |
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Delane B. Rouse, Photographer, Photo Editor
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Washington, DC & Seattle | WA | US | Posted: 11:52 AM on 01.12.06 |
->> Ron...I'm still not clear...right now I insert my CF cards into my Delkin CF Cardbus adapter and slide it into the PCMCIA card slot of my PowerBook in order to dlownload my files.
How would I get the images from my CF card onto my hard drive with this new ExpressCard/34? |
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Lucas Jackson, Photographer
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Ventura | CA | USA | Posted: 12:09 PM on 01.12.06 |
->> Delane,
You are going to need to buy a firewire reader. Unless you have the super lexar pccard reader you should do this anyway, they are much faster and you will notice the quicker pace almost immediately.
Lucas |
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