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D200 - It's here!
Christopher Park, Photographer
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San Diego | CA | United States | Posted: 1:48 AM on 11.01.05 |
| ->> Looks like all the other possible items are true as well. the 18-200 vr, new close up flash system and remote commander. can't wait to see a test image shot in a dark arena at 1600iso to see if the camera is worth anything. im sure the only test images that will be posted though will be perfectly front-lit outdoor shots at 200iso or the new 100iso. |
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Gabriel Hernandez, Photographer
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Harlingen | TX | USA | Posted: 1:50 AM on 11.01.05 |
| ->> Nikons version of the Canon 20D |
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Mike Last, Student/Intern, Photographer
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Chris Williams, Photographer, Student/Intern
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Rancho Cucamonga | CA | USA | Posted: 1:53 AM on 11.01.05 |
->> Cool!
:( -Flash sync = 1/250
Obviously since no one has held the camera yet it's hard to judge. Looking at the specs I'm slightly disapointed that it only has a 95% viewfinder and the lag time is 50ms vs. the D2H/s/x of 37ms. BUT, bigger sensor, bigger mirror, longer lag time right?
With that said, I doubt any of that will stop me from purchasing it in the future.
Chris |
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Andrew Mo, Student/Intern
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San Diego | CA | USA | Posted: 1:54 AM on 11.01.05 |
->> The new modular ring flashes are interesting. You can put up to four flashes on the mounting ring when using it on-camera.
They can be purchased as a set of two, with or without the SU-800 commander, or the flashes and SU-800 commander can be purchased individually.
It also looks like the D200 has more capability as a wireless commander than the D70 did, being able to control two group of flashes, so there's no direct need for the SU-800 commander flash when being used with this camera.
The sync speed of the camera is 1/250 even though it uses a CCD. Who knows how fast it can sync if shooting off the X-sync port. |
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Christopher Park, Photographer
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San Diego | CA | United States | Posted: 1:59 AM on 11.01.05 |
->> Just read the rest of the press release.
" The D200 will be available in late December 2005 for an estimated selling
price of $1699.95***. "
Late December!! But i want to play now!!! |
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Christopher Park, Photographer
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San Diego | CA | United States | Posted: 2:24 AM on 11.01.05 |
| ->> This is in no way a conclusion on image quality at 1600iso considering i havent seen any test images yet. but i'd like to point out that in the images on dpreviews section on displays (http://www.dpreview.com/articles/nikond200/page8.asp), the picture of the cat is shot at 1600 and from how little of a view you get i cant see any grain. If the grain is truely at a minimum then i cant wait to see how the metering performs. In my mind, color rendition at 1600 is where canon is still kicking nikons butt, not sharpness or resolution. |
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Andrew Brosig, Photo Editor, Photographer
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Paola | KS | USA | Posted: 7:34 AM on 11.01.05 |
->> Christopher:
Look further down on that same page. It shows the view magnification mode and zooms in on the cat's eyes/head. I can't see any perceptible grain in the magification images. I'm 99.99 percent sure it's the same image. If that's a true representation, looks like this camera is going to kick butt!
Andrew |
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Debra L Rothenberg, Photographer
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New York | NY | USA | Posted: 9:02 AM on 11.01.05 |
->> so what about the lens?
Will it be sold just with the kit or seperately?
What's the retail price?
Anyone know if it compares to the 18-70 or 24-120 quality wise?
Debbie |
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Mark D Murphy, Photographer
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Long Island | NY | USA | Posted: 9:12 AM on 11.01.05 |
->> At half the price of the D2Hs and a quarter the price of the D2X, will this camera have the power to drive the AFS in big Nikon glass - 300/2.8 & 400/2.8?
The D100 & the D70 do not. Dont expect a "prosumer" product to perform as it higher priced siblings.
Don't heave your D2H in the dumpster just yet.
It will be interesting to see how the features play out in this new model.
Just my 2c.
MM |
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Michael Hickey, Photographer
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Kokomo | IN | United States | Posted: 10:07 AM on 11.01.05 |
->> CCD sensor?
Yikes.....hope the battery lasts longer than 10 frames!
They could have gone with a 1/500 flash sync but didn't, wonder why? |
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Chuck Steenburgh, Photographer, Photo Editor
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Lexington | VA | USA | Posted: 12:49 PM on 11.01.05 |
->> According to Galbraith (www.robgalbraith.com), 1/250 is etched in stone and the exposure is controlled completely by the shutter, not the hybrid shutter/electronic system of the D1-generation and D70 which permits the virtually unlimited sync speeds. That alone will keep me from replacing my D70 with the D200 -- I use the D70 with strobes for basketball, where it can keep up with the action at 1 fps; and my D2H with existing light and 8 fps. Now, if the D200 has good noise (and Christopher, I wouldn't trust if that shot of the cat was actually taken at 1600) characteristics, I might trade the D2H in...assuming this new CAM-1000 AF module is any good. It's encouraging that at least they did not use the slooooooow CAM-900 that's in the D70/D100.
Nikon is smart. This camera does not make any of their existing products obsolete. It further segments their market and will probably result in more sales ultimately. |
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Mike Last, Student/Intern, Photographer
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London | Ontario | Canada | Posted: 1:44 PM on 11.01.05 |
| ->> As much as there is the 1/250 flash sync, ISO also drops down to 100 now.. |
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Jeff Mangum, Student/Intern
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Santa Barbara | CA | USA | Posted: 2:20 PM on 11.01.05 |
->> I think this camera looks great, I was about to buy a d2x but I think I'll buy this thing and put the money to beter use with glass or another d200 and sell my d100. I am super excited about this, it's going to save me a ton of money.
Also Ive shot a d100 with a 400 2.8 and it works, its not great but it works.
I am just happy Nikon came out with a new camera that lets us broke people have some of the nice features. |
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Walter Calahan, Photographer
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Westminster | MD | USA | Posted: 9:08 PM on 11.01.05 |
->> I've ordered two today.
I'll use my D2H cameras to drive big glass with fast bursts of images.
The D200 looks like the perfect magazine/corporate collateral camera, without the big bucks overhead of the D2X. I'm pretty certain the D200 is not a sports action camera.
Don't need the new zooms.
I NEED AN 18 MM f/1.4 DIGITAL SPECIFIC LENS. Do you hear me NIKON!!!!!! |
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Doug Holleman, Photographer
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Temple | TX | USA | Posted: 11:01 PM on 11.01.05 |
->> You can order them now? Where?
Now I guess I can concentrate on bitching about needing a lower cost, lighter 400mm, like a 3.5 or 5.6.
Doug |
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Chris Machian, Photographer, Assistant
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Omaha | NE | USA | Posted: 11:06 PM on 11.01.05 |
| ->> I guess the big question is will it be at the SSCSC? |
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Mike Last, Student/Intern, Photographer
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London | Ontario | Canada | Posted: 11:10 PM on 11.01.05 |
| ->> Penn Camera has them for pre-order, check the bottom of the page. |
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Doug Holleman, Photographer
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Temple | TX | USA | Posted: 5:55 PM on 11.02.05 |
->> Cool, thanks!
For some reason I hardly ever scroll all the way down. |
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Christopher Park, Photographer
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San Diego | CA | United States | Posted: 6:14 PM on 11.02.05 |
->> I agree this camera will most likely not be a big time action camera, but will definitely be a great camera for feature and news work. Also, Chuck, I agree. After i posted the thing about the cat photo i started thinking. Im sure nikon acts like any other marketing machine and probably used any photo they wanted for that display. Also, even the d2h or d100 is capable of very little grain at 1600 when your shooting perfect lighting from very close and have a perfect exposure. im just going to refrain from any conclusions until i have had one in my hand and shot a basketball game in a poorly lit arena.
... im sure ill buy one though. haha |
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Ronal Taniwaki, Photographer
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Torrance | CA | | Posted: 1:45 AM on 11.04.05 |
| ->> Yes, I'm bringing a D200 to the SSCSC |
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Walter Calahan, Photographer
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Westminster | MD | USA | Posted: 7:21 PM on 11.04.05 |
->> But Ron T, when can we see a new fast f/1.4 wide angle digital specific lens?
My beautiful 28 mm f/1.4 is SO normal at 1.5x. HA!
Is NikonUSA pushing Japan in a "wink, wink" friendly way?
f/2.8 isn't fast anymore.
Grin |
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Colin Corneau, Photographer
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Brandon | MB | Canada | Posted: 8:16 PM on 11.10.05 |
->> "f/2.8 isn't fast anymore..."
Does that mean we live in dark times, Walter? *rimshot* |
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Landon Finch, Photographer, Assistant
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Colorado Springs | CO | USA | Posted: 8:19 PM on 11.10.05 |
| ->> So did anyone at SSCSC get to play with the D200? Inquiring minds want to know what you thought of it. |
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Pete Souza, Photographer
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Arlington | VA | USA | Posted: 8:39 PM on 11.10.05 |
| ->> It's a great disappointment to me that Nikon didn't make this camera, or one like it, a full-frame version. I believe the Canon 5D will cause a lot of Nikon shooters to finally make the switch. |
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Doug Holleman, Photographer
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Temple | TX | USA | Posted: 9:16 PM on 11.10.05 |
| ->> Everybody seems pretty used to the crop factor now. I think the ideal now would be a full frame sensor with a 1.5X high speed crop, similar to the D2X, so everybody could take their pick. But I wonder how all of those "G" lenses would work on at full frame. |
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Saul Loeb, Photographer
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Phoenix | AZ | USA | Posted: 9:25 PM on 11.10.05 |
->> While at SSCSC, I briefly played around with it. The reviews posted so far (Dpreview, especially) pretty much hit it right on - feels very sturdy and reminded me very much of a mini D2H/D2X. Felt much more rugged than the 20D's that I just replaced my Nikon gear with...
AF seemed fast; faster than the D100 (as it should be), but not as good as the D2H. Then again, while it seemed to handle well and felt 'pro,' you can only tell so much from a camera in a 5-minute span. And it is very hard to evaluate when you can't see what matters - the final image, especially at high ISOs.
Don't know if that helps you out much, except to prove the thing actually exists... |
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Nicholas Wright, Photographer
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Palo Alto | CA | USA | Posted: 9:34 PM on 11.10.05 |
| ->> Yes, we got to play with the D200 at the SSCSC. The viewfinder is better (larger) than the D100, and it seemed to focus quickly in the dimly lit room. I don't know about file quality and whether this new model can make nice files at high ISOs. We weren't allowed to stick in memory cards. The controls are almost all adapted from the D2H/X. No more twisting the dial into non-shooting modes during important moments a la the D100. Overall, I was impressed. |
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Mike Last, Student/Intern, Photographer
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London | Ontario | Canada | Posted: 9:36 PM on 11.10.05 |
| ->> Doug, all of the G lenses do work on full frames (70-200, 200 f2, 200-400 f4), it's the DX G lenses that do not. So I suppose the camera could be forced into the 1.5x crop factor before allowing the use of DX lenses, that would be interesting. Or a camera that goes 1x, 1.5x and 2x all with the flick of a switch. CRRRAZY. |
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Stanley Leary, Photographer
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Roswell | GA | USA | Posted: 10:35 PM on 11.10.05 |
->> Full-Frame????
Hey if you can get the same wide angle you could before with film cameras--and now you can with the wider lenses what is the point? Most every camera which has full frame has issues in the corners since the sensors are more like a waffle than a pancake.
I think if you couldn't get photos because of the lens crop--then there would be a point. Just buy a 10-20mm or 12-24mm.
For most everyone on this site, they should be thrilled with the D2X which gives you a 2X crop. I don't see a Canon 600 f/2.8 but with my Nikon I have one. |
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David Seelig, Photographer
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Hailey | ID | USA | Posted: 12:36 AM on 11.11.05 |
| ->> Anybody want a 35 mm f1.4 to act like one . natural ow light with a 2.8 or f4 zoom does not make it |
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Kat Woronowicz, Photographer
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Oceanside | CA | USA | Posted: 1:15 AM on 11.11.05 |
->> Now that my d70 is shipped back to Nikon under repair... I'm relying on my old d100 (which isn't behaving wonderfully) as my backup. The d100 has done it's time at the repair shop too this year.
Had my eye on the d2x, but really can't justify spending 5k on a camera that will ultimatly end up back at nikon being repaired too....
Now enter the d200.
Hope Nikon finally gets thier shit together with this one.
I am very brand loyal to Nikon, it was the camera that made me fall in love with photography - an old FG.
That's the only reason i haven't already switched to Canon. I wish Nikon would make a better digital product.
can't wait to see how the d200 performs. |
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Walter Calahan, Photographer
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Westminster | MD | USA | Posted: 8:42 AM on 11.11.05 |
->> Colin
Four years of Syracuse, NY with its overcast skies made me appreciate f/1.4 lenses. HA!
Yes we live in "dark' times. Wink wink.
Actually, there are times when f/2.8 has too much depth of field for what I'm trying to do, so being able to get my plane of focus as limited as possible is a useful tool.
Plus is very dark situations f/1.4 lenses help in making sure critical focus is achieved.
I love my 14 mm f/2.8, but I still need a digital specific lens that matches my Nikkor 28 f/1.4 in the wide angle range.
I'm just beating the drum to everyone how uses Nikon starts asking for the same thing. |
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Jamey Davidsmeyer, Student/Intern, Photographer
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Normal | IL | USA | Posted: 11:28 PM on 12.13.05 |
| ->> Im just curious if anyone knows if the D200 is actually out now. The Nikon website is confusing and B&H doesnt really say either. It says arrival in December... its December.... Camera? |
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Mike Last, Student/Intern, Photographer
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London | Ontario | Canada | Posted: 12:01 AM on 12.14.05 |
| ->> Ships out December 15th in the U.S... Canadian shipments were slightly delayed (Probably due to the demand) and should be out around the 17th to 19th. |
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Caleb Bushner, Student/Intern, Photographer
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Mcminnville | OR | USA | Posted: 12:03 AM on 12.14.05 |
->> the official ship date is 12/15. Though there have been reports (http://www.robgalbraith.com/bins/content_page.asp?cid=7-7889-8121) of the first shipment of the camera being delayed in Canada.
Today I spoke with the friendly folks at Pro Photo Supply in Portland, however, and they said that they have not heard of any delays for US cameras and that we should be expecting the first round of D200's to arrive soon after the ship date this Thursday. They already have the vertical shutter release in stock and they have a 100+ wait list for the camera.
...should be exciting. |
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Caleb Bushner, Student/Intern, Photographer
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Mcminnville | OR | USA | Posted: 12:04 AM on 12.14.05 |
| ->> darn! Mike beat me to the punch. ...at least we all have consistent information. |
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Leslie Billman, Photographer
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Annapolis | Md | USA | Posted: 8:03 PM on 12.15.05 |
| ->> So I have an old D2h, which, when compared with the D2x, causes me NEVER to use it unless the D2x has a heart attack. Colors are bad, ISO noise is dreadful. BUT, of course, it has 8 fps speed, which the D200 doesn't have. Considering I do mostly tennis (with some aspirations to branch out), should I hang on to the D2h as my backup camera, or sell it and go with the D200? |
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Doug Holleman, Photographer
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Temple | TX | USA | Posted: 9:48 PM on 12.15.05 |
| ->> From the boards I've read a few people are getting them already. It's just a matter of how fast the shipments are getting to the retailers and then offerered to the customers, and how many orders they are able to fill. I'm sure the waiting lists are pretty long. |
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Wes Hope, Photographer
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Maryville | TN | USA | Posted: 11:12 PM on 12.15.05 |
| ->> Mine should be here by Wednesday of next week. Waiting lists work wonders. The vertical grip and extra battery are another story. |
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Mitchell Clinton, Photographer
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Carlsbad | CA | USA | Posted: 9:03 PM on 12.16.05 |
| ->> I just received mine. The shop I got it from had 13 pre-paid orders and they received 13. It was shipped on the 14th not the 15th... WOW! |
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