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Apeture
Matthew Charles Whitcher, Photographer
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New York | NY | USA | Posted: 6:13 PM on 10.23.05 |
| ->> I had a chance to work with Apeture at PhotoPlus EXPO and IMO this is going to be revolutionary. I can already see my workflow decreasing. The program is not GoldMaster yet, and apparently there is still some tweaking left to do. It seems that you will be able to shoot tethered. I was informed that it will work with my D2X. Also, all info for the D2X will be available, including As Shot WB. This is not a replacement for PSCS, it does not have layers or many other things, but it is great at processing RAW photos quickly. It is not like iPhoto. You can specify where you want to store your pictures and any changes made are stored in an Instruction Set, called Versions, and not written to the original file. There is no Save command, but you can Save As in many formats, called Exporting, to take into PSCS. I downloaded some RAW files into Apeture and the speed is incredible, as is the rendering time. Unfortunately, I can see PhotoMechanic taking somewhat of a dive becuase of Apeture. If you have the equipment to run it, this is going to be a great asset. |
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PF Bentley, Photographer
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Ventura | CA | USA | Posted: 6:24 PM on 10.23.05 |
->> Dear Michael:
What's an Apeture? Do you mean Aperture?
It seems you misspelled it 4 times in your email including the topic. This is an interesting mistake for a photographer who hopefully uses their aperture everyday.
In my class your grade just went down 4 full grades.
Also the word "because" is misspelled. That makes 5.
PF |
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Peyton Williams, Photographer
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Durham | NC | USA | Posted: 6:25 PM on 10.23.05 |
->> Matthew,
Thanks for the notes on Aperture. Great to hear from someone who has used it.
A question: How is the processing of RAW files to JPEG handled? Do you have to use Automator? Or, is there batch processing built-in (I've heard there is not).
Also, can you compare the speed to say, Adobe Bridge? Both for rendering RAW files and for processing them to JPEG.
Thanks! |
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PF Bentley, Photographer
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Ventura | CA | USA | Posted: 6:26 PM on 10.23.05 |
| ->> Or maybe that was Matthew not Michael....... |
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Rachael Golden, Photographer
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Rockville | MD | USA | Posted: 6:41 PM on 10.23.05 |
->> http://www.apple.com/aperture/
I think this might be what he is talking about.... however that spelling mistake is horrifying.... really!!! |
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Matthew Charles Whitcher, Photographer
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New York | NY | USA | Posted: 7:30 PM on 10.23.05 |
| ->> OMG, I'm so embarrased! Aperture. Yes, I know that. Really. |
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Matthew Charles Whitcher, Photographer
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New York | NY | USA | Posted: 7:37 PM on 10.23.05 |
| ->> and "because" was just from typing too fast. Please accept my humblest apologies for the bad spelling of the word Aperture. |
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Steven Georges, Photographer
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Long Beach | CA | USA | Posted: 2:00 AM on 10.24.05 |
->> Don't worry, PF Bentley got your name wrong so he owes you one. :-)
I do have a couple of questions.
1. I don't see any way to burn or dodge the raw photo. Does it have a way to select a portion of the photo and make adjustments to it? Is this still the domain of PhotoShop?
2. How does the speed compare on a G4 PowerBook? I'm assuming all the demos on Apples web site are using duel G5's.
3. Does it make toast?
Thanks Matthew for posting, your grades went back up for participation! |
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Andrew Mo, Student/Intern
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San Diego | CA | USA | Posted: 2:04 AM on 10.24.05 |
| ->> The Aperture software can do "Levels" but it appears "Curves" are missing. |
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Robert Hanashiro, Photographer
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Los Angeles | CA | | Posted: 2:55 AM on 10.24.05 |
->> From my limited experience with Aperture Apple's"Professional photography software" this is not a substitute for Adobe Photoshop. This software competes (or replaces) the RAW file conversion software from the camera makers or browsing apps like Photo Mechanic.
This software is to browse, organize and covert RAW files (aka "digital negatives") ... not do all of the voodoo magic that Photoshop gives you with all of its color correction tools.
It is a very cool software ... for what it is (repeat: not a Photoshop replacement) ... but the price point ($499 list) is steep compared to Photo Mechanic ($150?).
Anyway ... if you're a photographer that shoots in the RAW format, it could be something to look at. If you have the $$$ to spend.
http://www.apple.com/aperture/
http://www.macworld.com/news/2005/10/21/aperutreworkflow/index.php
http://www.macworld.com/weblogs/editors/2005/10/aperture/index.php
Mahalo!
Bert
P.S. ... Dig this quote about Aperture:
“I was blown away,” renowned sports photography Heinz Kluetmeier, “I think it’s going to revolutionize photography because it is going to let photographers do what they do best — take pictures.”
http://www.macworld.com/news/2005/10/19/notpsd/index.php |
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Joshua Brown, Photo Editor, Photographer
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Salt Lake City | UT | USA | Posted: 3:16 AM on 10.24.05 |
->> After thinking about it, I am definitely going to use it in my workflow (particularly large weddings) but I will be keeping both photo mechanic and photoshop around for different purposes.
This will most likely be my non-deadline workflow:
Ingest all my cards into my powerbook at the end of the shoot,
Batch rename and caption on ingest.
Burn DVD's of RAW take.
Edit out the garbage quickly.
Do a quick slideshow for the client on site.
If its a news assignment, use it to quickly transmit with the FTP function.
This is all in Photo Mechanic.
Take the images home and copy them onto my desktop G5.
Adjust color balance, remove dust, adjust contrast, hue, saturation, and crop for the entire batch of RAW images. (exact same thing I do in ACR or DPP right now).
Bring them into Photoshop to run Noise Ninja, Photo Kit Sharpener, Photo Kit Color, tough ones that need history brush or replace color, use shadow/highlight tool when needed.
Most of this done with actions. Do any kind of artsy stuff with filters.
Save as Tiffs
Aperture supposedly keeps track of what you are doing to that original image in photoshop so I will bring it back into aperture.
Archive to multiple hard drives (or online),
Apply keywords for stock and portfolios,
Make websites or books for proofing,
Use it to show clients and pick their favorites,
Print.
(Hopefully we can eventually get some kind of Photoshelter plugin for Aperture to do online backups)
Version 2 or 3 of Aperture could very easily take over for the other two, but no doubt they are still needed for now. There is NO way that Aperture is going to run effectively on my 1ghz G4 powerbook, photo mechanic runs great. I need brushes, curves, actions, and plugins from photoshop. Its replacing Portfolio, Retrospect, Adobe Bridge, DPP, ACR, etc. The big question is 3rd party compatibility and quality of the file output.
They are building a brand new Apple store here in Salt Lake and I picked up a part time position for the discount and training. I will be taking some pretty in-depth classes on this thing and I will share my experiences. No doubt you are going to need some serious horsepower for all this, but what's new? Bring on the discounted quad :) |
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Baron Sekiya, Photographer
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Kailua-Kona | HI | USA | Posted: 3:48 AM on 10.24.05 |
->> Dammit PF, you mean I wasted my money registering Apeture.com? No wonder it was open.
But seriously, I do hate using APSCS to browse images instead of Photo Mechanic, I don't have a choice on my work computer. We'll have to wait for those on the bleeding edge to use it under real-life conditions for a verdict regarding its steep price point. |
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Steve Puppe, Photographer
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Mission | KS | USA | Posted: 10:57 AM on 10.24.05 |
| ->> I currently use C1 for conversions. If quality of the image and speed are at the same level as C1 I will probably make the switch. The organizing and backup features look great. I think it's hard to make a decision until you see how it handles specifics like sharpening on your camera files. |
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Walter Calahan, Photographer
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Westminster | MD | USA | Posted: 12:19 PM on 10.24.05 |
->> Just like they don't make a 16-400 mm f/1.4 zoom AF lens that weighs 10 oz., instead we carry multiple lenses for different needs, it seems we'll always need multiple software platforms from which to work our images.
I hear Aperture v. 2.091re3 is going to be killer. HA! Check Apple for updates.
Grin |
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Matthew Charles Whitcher, Photographer
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New York | NY | USA | Posted: 5:42 PM on 10.24.05 |
->> (slinking back into the conversation)
You can't burn or dodge a photo in Aperture, that's what PSCS is for.
I'm not sure you can run this on a G4 PowerBook. The test computers were all G5 Dual Core. I think we're going to have to wait for the G5 PowerBook next year to run this on a portable.
Not only does it toast, but it jams, as well!
Also, in the future, there will be plug-ins available for Aperture, that will have similar functions to PSCS. |
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Steven Georges, Photographer
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Long Beach | CA | USA | Posted: 8:31 PM on 10.24.05 |
->> Thanks for your response.
The PowerBook G4 1.25 GHz (fortunately the one I have) IS on the minimum system requirements for Aperture. I was just wondering if anyone had a chance to try it out on a PowerBook and knows what the speed hit is.
There's a Roxio Toast joke out there somewhere, I just can't think of one right now. :-) |
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Ron Scheffler, Photographer
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Hamilton (Toronto area) | Ontario | Canada | Posted: 10:41 PM on 10.24.05 |
->> From what I can gather following the discussions on numerous forums, it appears that the key factor is the graphics card in your computer. It has to do with Aperture's extensive use of Core Image, which seems to put a lot of the workload on the graphics processing unit (GPU) on the graphics card rather than on the computer's CPU. I suspect this is one reason why so many recent Macs, particularly laptops, are out of the running for Aperture - their graphics cards are probably under powered. If Aperture was simply another raw converter, then it would probably run on everything. It's the slick graphics and apparent speed that are the key here.
Read the comment by Photo Mechanic's Kirk Baker half way down the page here: http://forums.robgalbraith.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Board=UBB29&Number=370553...
Core Image: http://www.apple.com/macosx/features/coreimage/ |
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John Mecionis, Photographer
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Port Jefferson Station | NY | USA | Posted: 10:48 PM on 10.24.05 |
->> I was playing with it on a g4 powerbook at Photoexpo this past weekend. They had it set up off to the side. It did work fine, but not as fast as the G5 towers. I talked to one of the reps and he said it would work fine on a powerbook g4. He also said it would not be as fast and would bog down with a lot of images running. I thought that the program was real fast on the G5.
The processor on the powerbook was 1.67. I did not check how much ram the machine had. |
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