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PHOTOSHOP/MECHANIC Experts! HELP!
Ben Burgeson, Student/Intern, Photographer
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Vista | CA | USA | Posted: 6:32 PM on 06.25.05 |
->> I'm in the process of editing thousands of images. I must move images from CDs that contain Fine JPEG files from Canon and Nikon cameras to a Lacie 160GB fire wire drive. I must then Resize all the images to 10/6.65 @300 Dpi for Horozontal images, and 6.65/10 @300DPI for Verticals. Then I must do remidial color correction and moderate sharpening.
I'm using photoshop CS and Photo Mechanic 4.2.1, I"m running on OSX 10.3.9 on a G4 Powerbook, w/ 80gb HD, 2GB RAM, SuperDrive, and 1.5 GHTZ processing spped.
This is the workflow:
Copy file, Open Contact sheet in PM, tag horizontal images, select tags, open folder on desktop containing "photoshop droplets", drag horozontal images into droplet, then do the same for verticals. After all are proportioned correctly they all are batch corrected.
This is the Problem:
When the files come back to photomechanic after the droplet action for the given orrientation they appear to look correct, but when I open them back up in Photoshop verticals are flipped, and rotated incorrectly. and Horizontals for the most part stay correct.
What I've done:
Re-recorded actions, had someone else record the actions, re-booted programs from discs, re-booted and clean swept HD on my computer, All tests run by the compter from all disk tests have past and reported no problems in the way of hardware or software.
My questoin:
What am I doing wrong? and how can I fix this immediatly? I've deduced that the problem most likely not the issue, and that I am maybe not thinking through these actions and system preference possiblities clearly.
If this all doesn't work out I'll be selling this wonderful piece of equiptment and moving to a monistarty in the montains of China and taking a vow of silence....Thaks for the help
some kid |
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Greg Ferguson, Photographer
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Scottsdale | Az | USA | Posted: 6:13 AM on 06.26.05 |
->> Photoshop is probably the problem. The browser in PS doesn't really know what to do about the rotated images. It is probably caching the original rotation information of the images, and applying it when you open them though they've already been rotated externally to the browser.
Try clearing the cache for PS's browser and see if that helps.
An alternate solution is to not use the browser when you're running your action. PS might ignore the rotation information and just open the images directly and get it right then. |
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Monty Rand, Photographer
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Bangor | ME | USA | Posted: 8:27 AM on 06.26.05 |
| ->> probably won't solve any of your problems, but upgrade to the latest PM (4.3.7) |
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Jock Fistick, Photographer
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Brussels | Belgium | | Posted: 9:48 AM on 06.26.05 |
->> Ben:
I too am having the same experience - and I also have a massive amount of images to process - so this is a serious pain in my ass right now!!!
Obviously Photoshop and Photo Mechanic (in my case PSCS and PM 4.3.7 OSX 10.3.9) are not communicating well when it comes to the orientation tag that either the camera places in the file or that PM places in the file.
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After wasting way too much time - here is the work around I have found -
In PM orient the image files as they would be without any rotation applied - AS THEY WERE RECORDED IN THE CAMERA (this is very important).
Then open one in Photoshop and see if you can successfully rotate - save and close the image and then re-open the image to see if it opens in the correct orientation.
This seems to work for me - let me know if it solves the problem on your end.
Best of luck!
P.S. Until this bug is resolved I would suggest turning the Auto Rotation function off in any of your cameras that support this option. |
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Nick Doan, Photographer
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Scottsdale | AZ | USA | Posted: 1:28 PM on 06.26.05 |
->> Guys, here is a note sent to me from Kirk Baker of Camera Bits.
"This is a bug in Photoshop. Once they
open a picture, they never look a the
rotation EXIF tag again. They cache the
rotation value away in one of their
cache locations. Why they do this is
beyond me since reading the rotation
EXIF tag is a very quick operation and
seems counterproductive for it to be
cached. "
The fastest way i have figured out to deal with this problem is to just do select all the photos then copy them. Copying them saves the correct orientation. This takes a few minutes when dealing with large numbers of files, but it works. (Also be careful to throw out the old ones, having two copies and not being sure which ones have been oriented correctly can be a pain. If you copy to the same folder, beware the ending A denoting a second file of the same name.)
Jock's methid sounds like it would work, but openign each file individually would take me forever! |
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Greg Ferguson, Photographer
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Scottsdale | Az | USA | Posted: 3:52 PM on 06.26.05 |
->> Kirk's response to Nick confirms what I thought.
In Photoshop's file browser under the File menu (in the browser) are several entries that allow purging and rebuilding the cache for a folder or all folders that PS has seen. By purging and rebuilding that cache you'll force Photoshop to reread the IPTC rotation data from each file so it should get the information (and display) back in sync. |
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Greg Ferguson, Photographer
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Scottsdale | Az | USA | Posted: 3:56 PM on 06.26.05 |
->> Oh, something else... in the file browser's preferences (under its Edit:Preferences menu) is an option to "Allow Background Processing".
That will let it chug away in the background as you work on things. It's a fairly lightweight process so it won't slow things down noticeably. |
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Steve Boyle, Photographer, Assistant
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North Wales | PA | USA | Posted: 5:42 PM on 06.26.05 |
| ->> FedEx me some CD's and I can help with the workflow |
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Jock Fistick, Photographer
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Brussels | Belgium | | Posted: 5:41 AM on 06.28.05 |
->> Nick:
Just to be clear - I was not suggesting opening every image - just check one to see if it works and them batch process the folder.
Greg - many of us are using Photomechanic - not Photoshops file browser - and since Photoshop is caching the orientation tag - it is not recognizing the new tag created by Photomechanic.
I received a similar email from Kirk at Camera Bits and his work around was a simple rename of the files - which can be done easily in PM - that way Photoshop will be forced to re-read the exif info.
I hope Adobe fixes this problem asap - I just hope they are not becoming Quark like in their approach to customer service :-) |
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Ben Burgeson, Student/Intern, Photographer
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Vista | CA | USA | Posted: 1:25 PM on 06.28.05 |
->> Thanks,
Talked to camera bits people and confirmed it to be a problem with CS. I uninstalled CS and put 7 back on, updated mechanic, and everything is cream now. thanks for the input and for the offer.
some kid |
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Greg Ferguson, Photographer
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Scottsdale | Az | USA | Posted: 8:27 PM on 06.28.05 |
->> Jock, I use PhotoMechanic day in and out, along with Photoshop CS, so I experienced the problems described a long time ago and found by dropping the cache in PS's browser and letting it rebuild I could use the same filenames. CS would reread the orientation tag, and get it right when drawing the images.
Kirk's solution of changing the name of the files is OK *UNLESS* you've already renamed them during ingest of the images to what you want them to be and don't want the rename to give bogus info (like basing an image name on the capture/creation time) and have cropped and toned versions of the images in the same directory which will have totally unrelated filenames then.
Adobe needs to check the modified date of the images every time they scan a directory that is cached. It's not a big deal, as Kirk says, and is a fool-proof way of short-circuiting these sort of problems. |
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