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NCAA Division I Hockey this weekend
Talya Arbisser, Student/Intern, Photographer
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Ithaca | NY | USA | Posted: 10:06 PM on 03.25.03 |
| ->> Hi All! My name is Talya, and I will be shooting this weekend at the Dunkin-Donuts center in Providence Rhode Island for my school paper, the Cornell Daily Sun. I was wondering if anyone had ever shot in the arena before, or will be there? we are playing Minnesota State - Mankato in the first round at noon. I'd really appreciate any tips anyone could give me for shooting in that arena, I will be using a D1H with an array of lenses. Also if someone with the Nikkor 80-200 AF 2.8 could help me with some settings, I would really appreciate it, it's a very new lens for me, and I have been having troubles focusing on my intended subject. Anyway. Whatever you can tell me about that arena, and also about my lens, and whatever info you have for me would be much appreciated! Thanks all! GO BIG RED! |
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Jeffrey Haderthauer, Student/Intern, Photographer
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Norman | OK | USA | Posted: 10:14 PM on 03.25.03 |
| ->> Dunkin' Donuts center? Isn't this stadium naming tihng getting out of hand? |
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Michael McNamara, Photographer
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Columbia | MO | USA | Posted: 10:16 PM on 03.25.03 |
| ->> Remember when Louisville wanted the Vancouver Grizzlies? And they were going to play in an arena that would be called the KFC Center, and it's nickname was going to be "The Bucket"? That was out of hand. |
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Michael McNamara, Photographer
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Columbia | MO | USA | Posted: 10:19 PM on 03.25.03 |
| ->> Oh, sorry Talya. You might want to check the guide for the arena. But shoot with the 80-200 with the focus limiter turned on. It will have less range to travel, and will be much faster. |
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Jeff Stanton, Photographer
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Tucson | AZ | USA | Posted: 10:27 PM on 03.25.03 |
| ->> I've never shot hockey in all my years. Just never had the occasion. It's not exactly a huge sport in Tucson, Arizona. Obviously, you have to sit behind the glass to shoot (I hope). Where does one shoot from and what types of restrictions do you encounter? |
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Denis Rochefort, Student/Intern
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Rochester | NY | USA | Posted: 10:33 PM on 03.25.03 |
->> I shot PC BBall there a couple years ago and it was iso 1600, 1/320th at 2.8. I pretty sure its the same now. Ive also shot PBruins hockey there a few times, and thats a little different. You can probably get a little extra shutter speed, maybe 1/400-1/500 at 2.8. See if they will let you in the penalty box, its the only good place to shoot from except when someone gets checked into it, and scares the hell out of you.
Jeff- thats what i said, and since i grew up in RI and have been going there all my life, i refuse to call it the dunkin donuts center because its pretty lame. Its the Providence Civic Center to me.
-Denis |
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Denis Rochefort, Student/Intern
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Rochester | NY | USA | Posted: 10:39 PM on 03.25.03 |
->> Jeff
Having grown up in New England, hockey is the biggest sport to shoot at the HS and college level. Positions vary from place to place, but the best is like i said before, the penalty box if they let you in and if there is no protective glass. Secondly is on the first deck above the glass level with a long lens, and third, which i have yet to do, is shoot through holes in the glass along the side if the rink has them. This is probably the best in some ways, but is limiting on what you can shoot during the game. plus there is all kinds of things you can do with remotes, as well as anything the rink can accomidate depending on size of course. Once you get your first mid ice check with multiple players in the air, you'll be addicted to hockey, its my favorite sport to shoot by far. |
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Rob Bonow, Student/Intern, Photographer
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Ithaca | NY | USA | Posted: 10:44 PM on 03.25.03 |
->> Try Continuous Servo AF in Dynamic Area mode. Do not use closest subject priority since your intended subject may not be the closest (it is disabled by default for Continuous Servo, but if you need to disable it, set custom setting 10-0).
I prefer setting custom setting 4 to 1, so that AF is only active when the AF-ON button is depressed, useful for when your subject is occluded by another skater or the net, or for when he is sitting still.
With these settings, you have complete control over when and on what the camera focuses. I find it easiest to just use the center AF sensor to acquire the target, and let the Dynamic AF system hand it over to the other sensors as he moves and I reframe the shot.
Let me know if any of this was unclear.
Enjoy the game. And, oh yes, GO BIG RED! |
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Jeff Stanton, Photographer
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Tucson | AZ | USA | Posted: 10:59 PM on 03.25.03 |
->> I'm typically not a big remote fan, but I can't think of a better reason than to start using them if shooting hockey.
The U. of Arizona has a hockey team, but it's more of a club sport here.
Denis, I worked at a paper in New Hampshire and hockey was played outdoors there, but once again, I never had the occasion or assignment to shoot it. The high school there had a skiing team. That was difficult to adjust to since there was usually only one person in the shot coming down the hill.
Thanks for the tips. |
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Talya Arbisser, Student/Intern, Photographer
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Ithaca | NY | USA | Posted: 12:56 AM on 03.26.03 |
| ->> Oh Yeah, Dunkin Donuts Center... hehehe... gee I wonder what the press will be given for food Anyway, thanks Mike and Denis... that helps... and of course Rob (who is a good friend and photographer hehehe) I'm a little nervous, this is going to be my first really big event, and it's going to be televised!! If anyone else has anymore suggestions, don't hesitate to let me know. Also feel free to email me through my member page! Thanks again all. |
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Steven E. Frischling, Photographer
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Amherst | MA | USA | Posted: 1:40 AM on 03.26.03 |
->> I think I recall the D&D Arena (wasn't it the Providence Civic Center, like last week??) being a little dark but usable.
The last time I was there I shot film (gives you an idea of when I last shot there), the PVD Bruins game had this lighting: ISO 1600, f2.8, 1/500. This is off a film envelope from February 1998 (PVD Bruins vs St. John's Maple Leafs). |
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Steven E. Frischling, Photographer
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Amherst | MA | USA | Posted: 1:40 AM on 03.26.03 |
| ->> As I understand it, there were some upgrades to the Civic Center, so the lighting had to have gotten better (I think). |
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Scott Bush, Photographer
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Clifton | NJ | USA | Posted: 9:13 AM on 03.26.03 |
->> if you get in the penatly box or bench, wear a helmet. also, if there is a power play in your end, try a wide angle or 14.8 when the play is along the boards. thats a tip I got from these boards, although i don't shoot much hockey. it would be sweet if you can set up a remote in the net (i saw a picture on here, not sure by who, but i think it was titled 'gone in 13 seconds'.) have fun! hockey, to me, is the best sport on earth.
dunkin donuts center is pretty funny. but the best is the FU (first union) center in philly. |
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Ed J. Szalajeski, Photographer
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Yarmouth | ME | USA | Posted: 9:35 AM on 03.26.03 |
->> That name is so funny. Go Sponsers go. Next thing you know they will change the name to the Dunkin-Donuts Crawler center.
->> Check out this thread
http://www.sportsshooter.com/message_display.html?tid=476
Many people on it shoot a lot of hockey, check out their galleries, very nice to see other peoples images, for ideas of shooting angles.
Cornell rock, last year in Worcester, they made the game, and your Canadian players, had your fans sing "Oh Canada".
That is how a hockey game should be. Lot of Spirit.
My team is out in the MidWest, so I might just drive down to watch one or both of those games.
Best regards
Ed Szalajeski |
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Thomas B. Shea, Photographer, Photo Editor
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Houston | TX | USA | Posted: 9:51 PM on 03.26.03 |
->> Hi Tayla,
I only have photographed hockey once but I have been playing for twenty years. For the most part the best pictures happen in front of the net, in the corners and in the neutral zone. In front of the net keep your eyes on the gaolie to make an outstanding save or keep your eye on the open man waiting for the one-timer. If you get a chance move down to the corner, here with a wide angle you can get a good shot of players getting checked in the boards and the players cycling the puck. Your best check picture will probably be in the neutral zone watch for an offensive player to be looking back for a pass with his head down and at the same time a defender skate full throttle at him and will knock him silly in the neutral zone. I play defense and I live for these opportunities. Oh yes remeber the fights ,but since the college guys where helmets with facemask their probably won't be any fist-a-cuffs. Remember to have fun and take chances. Think out of the box once you have your safe shots.
Thomas |
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Bryan Oller, Photographer
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Colorado Springs | CO | USA | Posted: 12:32 AM on 03.27.03 |
| ->> Well, the Dunkin Donut capital of the world these days is Colorado Springs. First of all I have actually seen donuts and pastries set out for the police by the Broadmoor Hotel in Colorado Springs to help protect NAWLA from protesters. They were, and I am not kidding, served on silver platters. Coffee included. But what I really wanted to say is don't use an 80-200 except as a last resort. It will make your photos look flat. Take a chance and try a 300 or 400. I'v shot a lot of hockey and the tight shot always prevails over a loose photo. Good for the portfolio too. |
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Darren Carroll, Photographer
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Cedar Creek (Austin) | TX | USA | Posted: 12:43 AM on 03.27.03 |
->> Bryan--Just to clarify, you're recomending a 300 or 400 form an elevated position, right?
Telephotos don't work well thru plexiglass, especially if there are no holes in it. And they're way too tight for most ice level positions.
Net cameras are indeed cool. It's a shame the NHL decided, for all intents and purposes, to pretty much prevent everyone from doing it (unless, of course, you work for NHL Images/Getty)...use a camera you don't mind losing if you want to try it. |
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Doug Holleman, Photographer
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Temple | TX | USA | Posted: 1:32 AM on 03.27.03 |
->> I wish Eric Clapton would get his old band together for a reunion tour and play there so I could read the headline, "Cream fills Duncan-Donuts Center."
Doug |
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Pat Christman, Photographer
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St. Peter | MN | USA | Posted: 12:38 PM on 03.27.03 |
->> Dunkin-Donuts Center... (nodding head in disbelief)
Talya-
I'm jealous! I wish I was going to that game, but airfare's a fortune these days!
I agree with everything said: watch the net (and the guys in front of it, who usually tip the puck before it goes in). AF and color balance gets fluky when you shoot through the glass (find a good, clean spot if you do shoot through glass), but holes through the glass on the corners, the penalty/player box or spaces in between, and a higher vantage point with a 300 from center ice all make good pictures.
And most of all: it may be a big event, but it's still photography and still a helluva lot of fun, so enjoy it!
Oh, and Go Mavericks! (sorry, that's what happens when you cover a team all year...)
Already going through hockey withdrawl...
Pat |
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Ed J. Szalajeski, Photographer
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Yarmouth | ME | USA | Posted: 2:05 PM on 03.27.03 |
->> Jube's Remember the Jube's (Celebrations are very important, and photographic), after goals, and especially after winning a bracket.
That is why for college Hockey, toward the end of the last period, I am either real close to the penalty Box (to either get on the ice, for the post game), or in an area I can see the benches for the Post game celebration.
As for Lenses, a 300mm is great, and yes a 70-200 gives you lose shots, if you are not in a good shooting position. I bet the lighting in the DD center, is at least as good as other AHL arenas, so might want to bring a 300 F4 if you do not want to truck around a 300F2.8.
When you are shooting at ice level, wide angles are nice, but that 70-200 comes in handy for the action coming down ice as the players cross the blue line.
One more bit of advise as passed on by Shelly Castellano, “If you are shooting though the glass, wear black, and get as close to the glass as you can, to eliminate glare.”
If you are shooting digital, check your histograms too, very helpful, and watch your ISO.
Oh, and have fun. Hope to see you in NY for the Frozen 4.
Best regards
Ed Szalajeski |
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Talya Arbisser, Student/Intern, Photographer
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Ithaca | NY | USA | Posted: 6:59 PM on 03.27.03 |
| ->> Thanks so much for the tips everyone! I'm very excited about this championship... it's going to be one of the biggest events I've ever covered! I really am looking forward to this! Anyway... I especially appreciate the tip about wearing black... I never thought about that! Thanks Shelly via Ed :-) Anyway... I hope to see you too for the Frozen 4! Wish me luck all... gee can you tell I'm nervous? Hehehe... don't worry I'll post the pics (if they turn out!) |
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