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--Photographic Mistakes
Michael Myers, Photographer
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Miami Beach | FL | USA | Posted: 3:25 AM on 02.25.05 |
->> I think there are two ways to learn how to use today's high tech cameras. One is to have someone who really knows this stuff teach you. You'll probably still make mistakes, but hopefully not too many of them. The second is to just get one of them, and learn by trial and error. Sites like this certainly help you learn what (not) to do, but much of the learning comes from looking at miserable looking images, and figuring out how to "do better next time".
I don't know about the rest of you, but I certainly fit into the "trial and error" group. For all these years i've been shooting digital, it's been a constant battle. The first cameras (at least the ones I could afford) were so limited in capability that it was just a lot of work learning how to get them to do useful work.
Nowadays, it's a lot different. The top cameras are quite capable of doing every bit as good a job as the very best film cameras. Along with the capability comes a LOT of complexity. The "better" a camera you get, the more adjustments and settings there are, and only half the battle is learning what to do photographically... you're also learning how to deal with a computer, as that's the "brains" inside these cameras.
Anyway, I figure that if enough of us post about the "dumb things" we've done with our cameras, others can learn from our mistakes, and not have to wait to make them on their own, to learn how to do better. I wish I could have read something like that a long time ago.....
I'll start. My worst mistake is forgetting some setting I change on my camera, and then go take additional photos at an improper setting. Photos look like yuck. For example, I'll put the camera on manual focus for a shot, then later go to take a different photo, forgetting the camera isn't focusing, and if the distance is different from the previous shot (it always is) my photo is as sharp as mud. Or, I'll change to spot metering, and forget to turn it back. So many things to fiddle with and change, and so little mental ability to remember to change them back afterwards! Oh well.
My second biggest mistake is (as Greg Ferguson phrased it) to let the camera do the thinking for me. I'll have the camera set on autofocus, with just the center focusing spot active, then take a photo of a couple of people standing next to each other. What does the camera do? If the focusing "window" is smaller than the space between the people, the camera hapily focuses on the background behind the people, just as the focusing window is telling it to do! I never realized until today how precise that focusing "window" really is. My camera (D2h) is very good at doing just what it thinks it's supposed to do (which in this case is NOT what I would have wanted it to do!). Or, the autoexposure looks at everything in my image, and comes up with a calculated exposure. Usually it guesses well, and the images look fine. But then every so often because of what I've put into the image, it does the calculation, and comes up with an answer that is "right", but not what I want, at least not for getting me a good image. I guess I have to learn how to properly "tell" the camera what to do.
There's lots of other mistakes I've made, but I don't want to go on forever. Maybe everyone reading this can point out some of their own boo-boos, and the rest of us can learn from them? |
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Alan Stewart, Photographer, Photo Editor
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Corydon | IN | USA | Posted: 7:58 AM on 02.25.05 |
->> Michael, you aren't alone. Last May I was shooting the Indy 500. The race was called on account of the weather...a supercell was producing all sorts of tornadoes across the Hoosier state that day and had beared down on the Circle City.
On my way home to Corydon, I came up on a twister that was crossing I-65. It was the first one I'd ever seen first-hand, and -- in my giddyness -- I immediately grabbed my camera and started shooting from about a half-mile away. After about a dozen frames, I went into chimp mode to make sure I got what I thought I had.
Tornadoes are fast, but the light wasn't "fast" enough to keep up with the settings I had on my D1h, which was still set to race-car mode.
The F2 twister was slow enough that I was still able to crack off several frames, but I felt like an idiot for not remembering to change the settings BEFORE I shot. |
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Bill Taylor, Photographer
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Westerville | OH | USA | Posted: 8:14 AM on 02.25.05 |
| ->> I shoot a lot of weddings, and during the ceremony always have to crank up the iso, i normally shoot manual exposure to keep the shot where i want it(when i focus on the dress in auto mode it seems to mess up the Canon metering), almost every time i will forget to lower the iso when we move outside for soem shots, so the first shot or two is a white screen, i guess i will eventually rememeber to lower it, but at my age it may be hopeless, thank goodness for that little screen on the back. |
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Joe Nicola, Photographer
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Fort Worth | TX | USA | Posted: 9:45 AM on 02.25.05 |
->> Taking the CF card out while the camera is turned on. That may not supposed to be an "error" but I did that at the state quarterfinal football game a couple of years ago and lost 80+ photos -- one of a receiver taking away an apparent interception and running it in for a TD. GAACK!
I was almost sick to my stomach over the loss of those shots and that's all I could think of that caused the error. Since then, I always turn the camera off before removing the card and, Voila!, no problemo. |
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Gary Solomons, Photographer
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Collierville | TN | USA | Posted: 9:57 AM on 02.25.05 |
->> I am very guilty of the Forgetting to crank the ISO back down after an Indoor event. I will also sometimes be shooting manual mode. I see something in the stands I want so I swing around and shoot a pic of a fan in the stands......patting myself on the back for that great fan moment.....the one in a million, trillion dollar shot......I then realize I metered for the lights on the game...not the dark stands. DUH
I will also admit to being computer lazy. Batch commanding a Levels action or a sharpening command on 100 images is not very smart when I had only tried the settings on one image first. It sure is easy to make more work for your self by being lazy. |
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christopher koutsis, Photographer
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huntington | ny | USA | Posted: 12:18 PM on 02.25.05 |
->> As I am sitting here reading, I could probably tell you that I have made every mistake mentioned and more... like thinking my focus was broken becasue I forgot I set it to back button focusing or wondering why I was shooting a football game at 1/8000 of a second at f4. I just figured it was a really bright day and went a whole quarter before realizing I was at 1600 ISO. But, as it has been stated, just knowing these problems won't help anyone in a situation. Lets take a team picture for example... Parents and players are very irritable during these days, so, getting confused about why your camera is acting screwy on top of impatient parents, players, and coaches amplifies the entire situation and makes you think unclearly. So, fixing a simple problem (like switching the manual switch to auto) becomes very difficult. I've found the ONLY way to fix problems like these and others like it is through trial and error. An old boss of mine back when I was bouncing in college said to me... there's no better way to learn than while under fire... now go tell 300 drunk college kids it's time to call it a night and get them out of the bar! And, ya know what, he was right, there's no better way to learn than by jumping right in and doing it (he couldn't prepare me for that!
The best way I have learned in photography was by MAKING these mistakes, not trying to prevent them. After they happened once... 9 times out of 10 they don't happen again. It's usually because I felt so foolish for making them. My suggestion to all new shooters is keep that camera by your side at all times. Don't stop using it. When I first started 3 years ago, I spent literally hours upon hours a day shooting... and even more time on the computer. They work hand-in-hand, if you don't understand one, you won't understand the other. Both are very very important tools. Sure anyone can take a nice picture, but can they get that picture out onto a print and have it look the same? Digital (and 35mm as well) photography is a science, you can't just learn it and you know it without trial and error, there's ALWAYS going to be mistakes... so just keep making them! |
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Dianna Russell, Photographer
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Springfield | MO | USA | Posted: 12:59 PM on 02.25.05 |
->> I usually set the white balance in my D1 using a grey card and the preset. Last year I was using a second (pool) camera for a baseball assignment and forgot to set the white balance. I got caught up in the assignment, forgot and then ended up with purple images. The previous photographer had the camera set to fluorescent and since I didn't check the white balance setting or bother setting it with the grey card, they were horrible.
I have also forgotten to take it off preset and put it back on cloudy during a basketball game and the pictures weren't too good either.
It's one of those things that if no one tells you about it and you're not aware then it ends up being a hard lesson.
Unfortunately it is an easy thing to forget to do. My SSA UC Riverside images didn't look too good because, oops, I didn't take the time to do it. We weren't using strobes and the color ended up an awful yellow and I had a terrible time pulling out the yellow color cast in Photoshop.
Dianna |
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Greg Ferguson, Photographer
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Scottsdale | Az | USA | Posted: 9:00 PM on 02.25.05 |
->> Back to that focusing between the people thang...
The nice thing about the 80-200 AFS f2.8 lens are those cool little "stop autofocusing and lock the focus" buttons on the side of the barrel. Just focus on something, mash the button in with a thumb or finger then recompose.
I used to rely on that any time I was shooting action and needed to I was compose a static shot that involved more than one subject.
Now days, I follow the recommendation on the Sports Illustrated site and use a back-button for focus. If I don't want autofocus I don't push the button. If I do, I push it. It's like having a manual focus lens and autofocus lens all in one.
Of course there's been a few times I've forgotten to push the button in and blown a shot, or my thumb got tired or pushed the WRONG button and blew a shot, but we won't talk about them.
Let's talk about not switching to Speed Priority (or Tv on my Canons), and going out to shoot with my strobe... nothing like that long 1/30 second shutter opening to make me cuss because the camera was in Aperture mode (or Av). "Uh... that shot? Uh... yeah ... it's an art shot. Yeah. That's it. It's art!"
How about on the Canon 80-200L F2.8 lens... that little manual/auto focus switch? How many times have the Canon users here bumped that switch while walking and not found out until the subject in the view finder has run past them and was STILL a big blob in the finder? Nice soft colors on that blurred MAIN SUBJECT DUDE!!!
How about slapping in a compact flash card that you'd SWEAR was empty, only to find it was full, but you found out AFTER the action was over and you'd pounded helplessly on the shutter release?
Color balance settings wrong? Been there. Done that. Forgot to charge batteries and had to run about two football fields worth to the car, frantically find the inverter, throw on one battery then hope the other would make it long enough so the charging battery would get a 3/4 charge.
Ever look into your strobe and accidently brush the shutter release? I did it with a 400 W/S Quantum and tele-reflector as I was getting ready. I saw a white spot for several minutes afterwards.
And, then this happened the other day... gave my wife the car keys and went to talk to some friends as we were waiting to shoot. She went to buy some earrings, then got ready to shoot on the other side of the arena. I realized, about five minutes before I needed to shoot, that she hadn't returned and my gear was locked in the truck and I had to go find her. This was during a really muddy rodeo (look back in the fun picts for me in the mud), and I had to slip and slide around the the arena to find her, get the keys, slip and slide back, go to the car and get the case, then slip and slide back around the arena. I made it, but barely, and thought I was going to have a heart attack because I was running in mud boots and a heavy rain coat. |
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Zach Honig, Student/Intern, Photographer
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Columbia | MO | USA | Posted: 1:08 AM on 02.26.05 |
->> Greg-
I have the Canon 70-200 and I have lost many a shot to the AF switch. You would think that after problems with the 80-200, something would have been done. This also happens with the Image Stabilization switch, but that's not as big of a deal.
My other problem is the batteries in the 20D. They last for so long that I often forget to charge them. I am very impressed by their capacity though, especially the 3rd party BP-511. |
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Michael Myers, Photographer
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Miami Beach | FL | USA | Posted: 2:14 AM on 02.26.05 |
->> (Joe, the next time that happens, and you "lose" images from a memory card, get some of the software that's made for retrieving "lost" or "missing" images. They're not gone until/unless you over-write them. Send me an email for a link, or look it up here.)
Christopher brought up a very big problem I've had, how something so simple becomes extremely complicated when you're being rushed or pressured. I was in Bangkok, taking photos of a radio control car race. One of the local racers, Surikarn, is a World Champion. I asked him if I could take a photo of him, his father, and his race car when he had time, and he said sure. So, I went back to work. A few hours later it was around midnight, and I had the camera set to ISO 1600 on manual focus to try to capture some of the cars, when he and his dad walked up so I could take the photo. Getting a bit confusabobbled, I had him and his dad stand with the track behind them, and took a few photos. He then left to get ready for his race. As for me, it was maybe ten minutes later when I was looking over the images, that I realized that not only was the ISO way too high, but the images were miserably blurry. I sheepishly went back to Surikarn, told him I didn't get the images I really wanted, and asked if I could take another if he had time. It all worked out fine - that time - but I've done this before. I make all kinds of stupid mistakes when I'm under pressure to get a photo. Things that should be so obvious just aren't. The menu system that should be so easy to use, suddenly doesn't seem to have the necessary choices, and my mind won't relax and look through things logically.
Greg, I need to read your post over a few more times. Maybe I'm also going to try setting the button on the back of the camera to do the focusing, but I'm worried it will become just one more thing I can "forget".
Maybe I need to create a check-list, to help make up for my mind not functioning as well as I wish it could. As Christopher pointed out though, the more I use the camera, the better I am at not making these mistakes. |
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Scott Kroll, Photographer, Photo Editor
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Fairfield | CT | USA | Posted: 10:29 PM on 02.26.05 |
->> Setting the AE Lock on the back of the camera as the AF takes a couple shoots to get used to, but once you figure it out it makes everything easier.
Also, I have placed a piece of gaffer's tape over the AF and IS switch so I don't accidentally hit it while moving around. That seems to work out well for me. |
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Nic Hume, Photographer, Student/Intern
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Victoria | BC | Canada | Posted: 11:37 PM on 02.26.05 |
->> I always make a point of resetting my camera to a certain set of default settings after a shoot. ISO 400 / Programmed Auto / WB Auto / EV 0 ... it's saved my butt more than once or twice when I HAVE had to whip my rig out super-fast to shoot some action-in-progress as Alan described at the beginning of this thread...
Now, granted, I normally calm down after a second or two and start tweaking settings, but switching the camera back to auto-pilot mode is a small insurance policy against adrenaline-laden and over-punchy photographer syndrome, especially if you're first-on-scene for something exciting...
--Nic |
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Guy Rhodes, Student/Intern, Photographer
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East Chicago | IN | USA | Posted: 4:36 AM on 02.27.05 |
->> I had a good one the other day when using my 10D.
See, ever since I purchased the 10D nearly 2 years ago, the mode dial on the left of the camera has never left M (Manual - I'm a control freak). The dial may as well not even be there, aside from the few times I've used shutter priority, the dial never leaves M.
SOOO, that brings us to a few weeks ago, while at a shoot, I went to chimp off a frame to check exposure and I see the shutter speed and aperture going WACKO on the top LCD.
My heart sank. My palms perspired. My mouth? Dry as summer's cotton. Could it be that my trusty 10D was no more?
Nope - that little dial I never used had slipped into A-DEP (Auto-depth of field) mode.
Another idiot moment:
I once went on a cross-Indianapolis manhunt looking for a phone line to transmit from, when the lines at the venue wouldn't let my modem dial out. It turned out the reason the lines weren't working was because they weren't "dedicated" lines.
Had I just used the fax line in the office at the venue, I would have saved myself about an hour of phone line hunting and begging at unfamiliar Indianapolis restaurants, hardware stores, and hotels.
I did make deadline though - thanks to Joe's Crab Shack for getting me out of that pinch! :) Get it? Pinch! Crabs! Okay its time for bed... |
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David Turnedge, Photographer
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Elizabeth Bay | NSW | Australia | Posted: 4:52 AM on 02.27.05 |
->> Just posted elsewhere (comments appreciated) at
http://www.sportsshooter.com/message_display.html?tid=14841
Trying to get good quality out of a cheap x2 teleconverter attached to a 100-400mm L at ISO 1600 on a 1D... bad move... expecially when this is how I shot ALL DAY.
Anyone wanna buy a cheap x2 teleconverter?
:-) |
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Craig Peterson, Photographer
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St. Petersburg | FL | US | Posted: 9:03 AM on 02.27.05 |
->> I was shooting a high school basketball game when in the middle of it my 20D started acting funny.....It just stopped working, then would be fine for a minute, then cut out again....This kept happening for what seemed like an eternity....I took off the lens, put it back on. Took the batteries out, put them back in. Ran to my car, put different batteries in....to no avail.
I started to freak out because I only have one body to work with (I know, I need another one) and I was booked up for two weeks....How long would it take to repair? I started to feel sick.
Just then I noticed the battery grip had a bit of play in it, and when I held the body and jiggled the grip, the camera would cut on and off.....I tightened the grip....Problem solved.
Wheeeeeeew!
Needless to say, I learned my lesson about having only one body.....If it needs repairs, I'm screwed. Looks like my next purchase is going to be another 20D.
Craig |
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David Griffin, Photographer, Photo Editor
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Concord | NC | USA | Posted: 9:32 AM on 02.27.05 |
->> My biggest mistakes involve the WHITE BALANCE, I have been shooting available light in a room lit by flourescent light then go outside and forget to change it. I try to match white balance as much as possible. I try to NOT use the AWB when I can, but it has bit me in the butt.
Craig:
Canon has a fix for the Battery Grip for the 20D. It has to go back to Jamesburg, however. CPS was not able to fix it in the field at Daytona. |
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Michael Myers, Photographer
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Miami Beach | FL | USA | Posted: 11:16 AM on 02.27.05 |
->> Craig's response has me wondering whether to call this a "mistake" or not, but if you've got an assignment and are expected to perform, there's no doubt about it - having just one camera body with you is already a mistake.
Thanks to my old D2h having problems several times, I've always been scared when I go someplace with just one body that if it goes out on me, I know I'm stuck. It's this uncomfortable feeling, that at any time everything can come to a sudden end, leaving me incapable of finishing the job. Even though I've been lucky, and still managed to get photos with my mal-functioning camera, it could just as easily have been something fatal. My solution was to buy a relatively inexpensive D70 for "insurance".
My D2h died (while at a local event) so I sent it off to Nikon Repair Land, and headed off to Brazil for a month where my new D70 performed flawlessly. I got home, and got back my D2h all fixed up and ready to go. Knowing the D2h was now perfect, I headed up to Orlando to cover another major event. At 4am, while packing, half awake and half asleep, I decide that I don't need two cameras, and just take the newly repaired D2h. What happens? Late in the day, on my first day of the week-long event, the auto-everything goes out, leaving me only with manual camera which sometimes focussed OK, but which would only work in (M) mode.
I'm still wondering if not buying a back-up second body is a "mistake" or not, but having one and not taking it with you most certainly is, of the dumbest kind! I suppose this applies to all other pieces of photographic equipment, strobes, memory cards, lenses, chargers.... if you've only got one, and for whatever reason it stops working, you're in serious trouble unless you can figure out a work-around.
(I've since learned that as a professional, being paid to cover an event, not having a second body is an even bigger "mistake" than I thought it was.... on a television show my brother watched, a wedding photographer didn't get to complete the wedding because his camera broke, so the couple hired a second photographer to do so. Later on, after being sued, the first photographer was found liable for the expenses to hire the second photographer, with part of the ruling being that he "should have known" that a camera might have a problem, and "should have had a back-up camera" just in case.) |
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Craig Peterson, Photographer
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St. Petersburg | FL | US | Posted: 9:44 PM on 02.27.05 |
->> David,
I had the same problems with white balance. When I had my 10D, the AWB was terrible so I never used it, and I would always forget to adjust in different lighting situations.
It was actually Worth Canoy that suggested I use AWB on my new 20D at the last race in Talladega, and I was so impressed with the results that I have not taken it off AWB since....And it's been through a lot of actuations since then.
It's great that I can depend on AWB so it's one last thing to worry about......Now if I can just remember to format my cards after putting them in the camera! That's a mistake I seem to have a problem with on a regular basis!
BTW....Thanks for the info on the battery grip fix! |
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Bill Taylor, Photographer
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Westerville | OH | USA | Posted: 9:45 PM on 02.27.05 |
| ->> I know most of love digital, and always have a back up, but i must admit, knowing I have an Old F1 and a few rolls of film that will work after a nuclear shock wave in my bag makes me feel better, I love my MarkII but like the fact that i switched to a 20d for a backup mainly because of the abilty to use double a's if everything else fails, (even though i haven't ran through a single battery in a day in the MKII yet, I also know that "chimping" may be frowned upon, but it has saved my butt more than once in a quick moving situation. My anal retentive nature of not formatting a card until i have the images on a harddrive and a dvd, may mean i really have more cards than i need but it saved a complete shoot once. I'm old enough to no I'll never be perfect, but i've been a pilot long enough to know "have 2 of everything, run the complete checklist before takeoff, and if you have to make an emergency landing if you planned right there will be somewhere safe to land real close." Mistakes are going to happen it how we react to them that seperates the pros from the wannabes |
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Erik Bishoff, Photographer, Student/Intern
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Eugene | OR | USA | Posted: 9:58 AM on 02.28.05 |
->> I actually blogged this one:
http://bishoff.blogspot.com/2005/01/got-baby-blues.html
Left the fresh battery at home and had to keep reseating my dying one in an effort to squeeze out a few extra shots. Each time I popped the battery and dropped it back into the body my white balance reset itself so I ended up with a plethora of blue pictures on a particularly foggy day.
I blamed it on newborn induced sleep deprivation... |
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Chris Russick, Student/Intern, Photographer
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St. Petersburg | FL | USA | Posted: 10:30 AM on 02.28.05 |
| ->> While shooting this weekend in an offshore regatta, I looked down in my dry box and found out I left all my CF cards on shore. I downloaded them all the night before and forgot to repack the CF wallet. It's a stomach turning race back to the dock as you try to make it back to the start of the race! |
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Pamela Riemenschneider, Photographer
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Topeka | KS | USA | Posted: 11:33 AM on 02.28.05 |
->> When I was still in school, I bought my first "nice" camera--a Nikon N80. After shooting with an Olympus Om-1 for years this thing was newfangled and fancy.
After a few weeks of using it, I switched back to my old camera for a long term project because I had better glass for it.
When I went back to the N80 (which I sold to a SS member and I hope he found it useful for his film class) everything was blurry. I turned on the auto focus.
Still blurry? I processed a roll of film with the blurry look in my viewfinder but images were sharp.
What's going on here? I know I am a notorious back-focuser, but come on, man! I know it doesn't look sharp in the viewfinder.
So I took it to good old Pete Kohler in the photo lab and begged him to fix it. I swear I wouldn't have made it through Missouri without Pete.
Anyway...he looks at it, flips the little switch next to the viewfinder.
Stinking diopter adjustment...newfangled-no-good-make-me-feel-stupid-but-I'm-glad-it's-not-broken camera... |
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Robert Meyer, Student/Intern
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Lincoln | NE | United States | Posted: 11:44 AM on 02.28.05 |
| ->> Does forgetting your batteries at home and remembering after a 9 hour drive to the location count as a mistake or pure stupidity? I ended up spending $400 on batteries when I got there and that was half what i was being paid to shoot the assignment. Let's just say I keep spares in my car now! ;-) |
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Allen Lester, Photographer
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Norfolk | VA | USA | Posted: 11:57 AM on 02.28.05 |
->> This is a cool thread…
Here’s one of my little adventures! We usually pack our gear in a large Pelican case when going to events where we may need a variety of stuff. To make sure that the case doesn’t get legs and walk off, I secure the case in the back of the mini van using cables (two) connected to the rear seat anchor points. So, on this particular day I decided to securely lock the case in place ON THE WAY TO THE EVENT. You know what’s coming, right? On of the locks would not open. After several frantic phone calls, the building maintenance man shows up with the biggest bolt cutters that I have ever seen and takes care of my problem. Now I’m not allowed near the case with a lock while in transit to an event.
Allen |
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Greg Ferguson, Photographer
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Scottsdale | Az | USA | Posted: 12:26 PM on 02.28.05 |
->> Pamela, we feel your pain on the diopter-out-of-adjustment issue.
A couple weekends ago, my wife was shooting, and I picked up her camera to shoot and couldn't see a thing through the finder. Nothing looked in focus. I checked the diopter and, sure enough, it was all the way over. I centered it and handed it back and she asked what I'd done because everything looked sharp again, so I explained it.
The following night, I was shooting in bad mud and got it all over the camera. I had to rush to a back area and start wiping it down, rinse off the filter, etc.
I put everything back together, and ran out to shoot more, and the focus was totally freakin' out. Every time I'd focus it was soft and blurry. I KNEW I was dead on for tracking and figured the contacts were wet or dirty. I wiped 'em down quickly, then tried again. Still the same. So then I got methodical, and stepped through my check list. Got all done. No good. Then I noticed the diopter was all the way over. I must have rolled it when I removed the eyepiece to get under it. Centered it and the camera was working SO much better again.
I added one more thing to the check list before and during shooting. |
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Michael Myers, Photographer
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Miami Beach | FL | USA | Posted: 11:30 AM on 03.20.05 |
->> The following mistake didn't have any effect on my images, but looking at Trevor's photo of his Sigma lens that he's selling (http://www.sportsshooter.com/classitem.html?id=7670) reminded me of something really dumb that I did last year. All my other camera stuff was from 10 years ago, when lens caps and lens shades went on by depressing buttons on them, and then they'd "click" into place. Well, my newest Nikon lens didn't have any such buttons. I would put it on the camera, and twist it until it looked right, but it wouldn't stay in place, and fell off several times. I called B&H about this, and they sent me a new one, which worked exactly the same way, and was just as loose. Only after studying the lens cap for a bit, looking at it head on, did I realize that it needed to be turned that little bit more, so it would "snap in place". Dumb......
Stuff that's "obvious" is sometimes anything but, if you've never done it before. :-) |
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