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Gruber in the desert...
Grover Sanschagrin, Photographer
Albany | CA | USA | Posted: 7:58 PM on 03.14.03
->> SportsShooter.com member, housemate, and USA Today staff photographer Jack Gruber is off living in a tent in the middle of the desert. (No wonder he hasn't updated his member page in a while.)

Anyway - USA Today's website now includes a nice feature (in Flash though... ugh) from Jack - complete with his voice-over talking about the various images. (In the part labeled "Audio Report")

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/iraq/front.htm

Hey Jack, I know you're reading the message board from the desert... you only have one more day to get your February clip stuff in.
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Cap Hugho, Photographer
Ridgecrest | CA | USA | Posted: 8:42 PM on 03.14.03
->> Hey, Jack....
Take care and "watch your 6!"
-cap
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Rich Pilling, Photographer
New York | NY | U.S.A. | Posted: 10:40 PM on 03.14.03
->> Poor Grover misses his roomie.
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Robert Dall, Photographer
Portage la Prairie | MB | Canada | Posted: 11:14 PM on 03.14.03
->> I'd hate to see what all that sand is doing to Jack's gear.

I wonder if he is using that plastic wrap aproach he has reffered to in the past.
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Robert Hanashiro, Photographer
Los Angeles | CA | USA | Posted: 4:20 AM on 03.15.03
->> One word for securing your precious gear against the wind and sand:

AQUATECH!

I wonder if they deliver in Kuwait or Iraq!

Jack ... we'll miss you at the Oscars next week buddy!

- The Big Kahuna.
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David Rossiter, Photographer
Lethbridge | AB | Canada | Posted: 3:41 PM on 03.16.03
->> Its links like this that makes sportsshooter so
cool ...... I mean hot.
Great job Jack.
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Jack Gruber, Photographer
San Francisco | CA | USA | Posted: 6:20 AM on 03.17.03
->> Guys.....I wish I could tell you where I am but all I can say is the northern Kuwait desert and I am sleeping next to a large M1A1 Tank. I am embedded with a very impressive group--the Army 369th Armor Task Force. I am part of the Task Force and have been living the good life with the guys. Believe it or not I have internet access at times with my new Bgan receiver. I have been letting soldiers email home at times. These guys have been unhooked for about 2 months with no phone, radio or other connections to home other than letters from home. What ever I can do helps....only problem is I wake up and there is a line outside my tent I am sharing with 2 other journalists from Newsweek and ABC Radio.

I even got an Army haircut yesterday. Ask Grover about the picture.

Other than that, wish everyone was here. Just like a day at the beach.
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Michael Troutman, Photographer
Carmel | CA | USA | Posted: 10:35 AM on 03.17.03
->> Some beach!
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David Rossiter, Photographer
Lethbridge | AB | Canada | Posted: 11:17 AM on 03.17.03
->> This certainly adds a personal touch to all the breaking
news this morning --- the world waits.
" Be careful out there "
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Jan Langsner, Photographer
Lloyd | AB | Canada | Posted: 11:42 AM on 03.17.03
->> I agree with David, Jack's post does give this whole situation a personal touch. In fact it gave me goose bumps.

Jack, I would love to be there, of course that is easy to say sitting here. But still, I would like to be there.

Take care and make it back safely

Jan
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Robin O'Shaughnessy, Photographer
Lubbock | TX | USA | Posted: 12:56 PM on 03.17.03
->> Any sun block recommendations? Stay safe!!
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Jack Gruber, Photographer
San Francisco | CA | USA | Posted: 3:40 PM on 03.17.03
->> Get this....brand new Mac 12 inch Powerbook out of the box not even one month ago and I think it may be toast after this trip. We got hit by a HUGE sandstorm that buried everything in about 3 inches of sand in my tent a few nights ago. I got lost for about 1 hour trying to get 100 feet from a meeting back to my tent. Buckets of sand pouring in a triple lined tent. Attempted some serious McGyver moves with gaffer tape and parachute cord all the while unable to see in the blinding sand. What a night.

Plastic wrap....yes. Using it plus heavy Pakistani scarves. Also, had a little bit of time in Kuwait City and had a really cool plastic see through cover made for monitor and keyboard in the Souk.....local market....

By the way, Kevork D has Kuwait City wired. The guy lived the high life there for nearly 3 months.

Best thing about Kuwait City.....leaving to get your visa renewed and having to spend the night somewhere like Bahrain to return back to Kuwait in order for your 30 day visa to be valid. Two words.....mini-bar. Kuwait is a VERY dry country both in the desert and no alcohol....officially. Unless you are enterprising journalist who dumps out shampoo bottles and camel back water jugs and smuggles the good stuff back into Kuwait on your return flight.

Kuwait City was bustling with photographers from all over all in one place for about 2 weeks waiting for their embeds to begin. Pretty much a whos who of the PJ world. Lots of folks using the local souks to make things like the computer covers, bivey/bug/scorpion/snake/lizard bags to sleep in the open at night and custom cases for sat phones and what not. All done by guys who would just draw it and start sewing. If I would have had more time I would have had a ballistic nylon suit made up for Bert.

My digs aren't too bad at this time actually. Sharing an tent absconded for some USA Today swag from the Air Force Forward Air Controllers. Good trade!

Shower is a bottle of water dumped over the head in the morning. Little chilly but does the trick nicely. Food is mostly MRE's. All the good stuff has run out and not a priority I guess.

Just got anthrax shot number 2.

Keeping things clean is priority and a useless task all in one. Impossible to say the least but must be a constant task.

Cool things are nightly tank rides and chasing lizards which are about the size of small collies.

4am wakeup by the pet lizard we captured in order to listen to radio address by George W and see what is in store.

Cool thing about being here though is hanging out with some really well trained and exceptional US Army and Air Force folks. Making some great friends and sitting in a front row seat of things that may soon be heading north a couple of miles....actually less than that but that is all I can really say.
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Ed J. Szalajeski, Photographer
Yarmouth | ME | USA | Posted: 4:14 PM on 03.17.03
->> Way cool, Jack: Keep your head down, and make good pictures.

I was told you can buy (have made) just about anything, by those engineering marketeers.
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Grover Sanschagrin, Photographer
Albany | CA | USA | Posted: 4:15 PM on 03.17.03
->> OK, I guess I should post some pictures of our boy Jack out there 'fighting the good fight' -- or something like that.

Here he is a few weeks ago, getting frisky with some of the locals:

http://www.sportsshooter.com/special_feature/fun_times/camel_gruber_ss.jpg

Here he is getting his standard-issue military haircut. Any closer, dude, and they won't be able to tell us apart. (I mean, HEY, the whole "we're twins" thing was a fun gag to pull in college, but not at wartime.)

http://www.sportsshooter.com/special_feature/fun_times/haircut_gruber_ss.jp...

Oh, and don't worry - your new PowerBook is under warranty, right?
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Michael Troutman, Photographer
Carmel | CA | USA | Posted: 4:32 PM on 03.17.03
->> Wow, amazing reports, keep them coming please! Hope the sandstorms settle down and stay out of everyone's gear; more are supposedly headed your way this week. The stars must be stunning on a clear night. Of course, that won't be the only stunning thing in the night sky shortly.

What are you feeding the lizard, out of curiosity...
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Chris Stanfield, Photo Editor
Columbia | MO | USA | Posted: 4:47 PM on 03.17.03
->> How about we all get military cuts until Jack (and our troops) comes back safely? Post before and after pics in our hidden galleries? Huh? Good Idea? Bad Idea? Maybe we should take a poll first.
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David Rabian, Photographer
Wilmington | DE | USA | Posted: 5:11 PM on 03.17.03
->> Jack, I'm not a real prayerful kinda guy, but must say I will be saying a few for you. It is my sincere hope that you can do what you've gotta do and get the heck out of there healthy.
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James Pinsky, Student/Intern
liverpool | ny | USA | Posted: 7:07 PM on 03.17.03
->> Mr. Gruber,
For what it's worth coming from a U.S. Navy Sailor nestled safely at Syracuse University, thank you for letting those soldiers email home. It means the world to them, I am sure.
James Pinsky
USN
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Walter Calahan, Photographer
Silver Spring | MD | USA | Posted: 9:25 PM on 03.17.03
->> Jack,

My friend Fred Keesing, a World War II vet, told me a story about fighting his way across France. The worst days of his life as a soldier was when tanks showed up. Why? Cause the infantry was expected to defend the tanks!

Now a lot has changed since Fred shot Germans defending American tanks, but the fact still remains that armies shoot at tanks because they are valuable targets.

I forgot his name, but a Magnum photographer jumped into an Israeli tank during the "7 Day War" in the Sinai and never got out of his burning tank alive.

As I said to my friend Jack Kelly after his near death experience in former Yugoslovia, "USA Today ain't paying you enough to get you ass shot out from under you, so please, please don't be a hero just to get the news. Your life is too important."

So please be careful. I mean it. I've been shot at. It ain't fun. War may be necessary, but it is always terrible.

Thank you for giving our soldiers a chance to email home.
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Matt Hevezi, Photographer
PSC 557 Box 914 | FPO AP | USA | Posted: 10:29 PM on 03.17.03
->> Chris wrote:

"How about we all get military cuts until Jack (and our troops) comes back safely?"

DONE
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Grover Sanschagrin, Photographer
Albany | CA | USA | Posted: 10:45 PM on 03.17.03
->> Walt: Hey, I've been shot at too! "Devil's Night" in Flint, Michigan, 1990. I was in the passenger seat - and Jack was driving.

I guess if you start out cruising for daily feature in Flint, war ain't no big thing.

Jack: Within the next 48 hours - if you spot 'Saddam and Sons' crossing the border, don't get in their way, please.
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Cap Hugho, Photographer
Ridgecrest | CA | USA | Posted: 10:46 PM on 03.17.03
->> Yeah..."High and tight!"
romeo tengo!
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Shelly Castellano, Photographer, Assistant
Huntington Beach | CA | USA | Posted: 11:50 PM on 03.17.03
->> Nice tan Jack!
Be safe!
Cant wait to see some pix.
We are thinking of you!
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Jason Young, Photographer
Omaha | NE | USA | Posted: 3:02 AM on 03.18.03
->> Good luck making images. Stay alive and tell the story. P.S. thanks for giving our troops a line of communication.
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Jack Gruber, Photographer
San Francisco | CA | USA | Posted: 5:39 AM on 03.18.03
->> Woke up this morning at 4am with the soldiers I am with to listen to the President talk to the nation. Went into the morning briefing with the colonel and the commanders 4 hours later only to see a great deal of excitement. There was a definite pick up in all the pulse rates.

As much as I can say is that I no longer have a tent and I am sitting in a middle of a dust storm right now waiting for a ride. Which way we going? Just use your imagination.

Like Grover says.....He and I have come under fire before but at least there in Michigan we were much younger and dumber. Hopefully now I will be able to put the things learned from places like the West Bank and Afghanistan into play.

Believe it or not, there are a lot of journalists over here who really are not prepared for all of this. Always think of the small things. Powerstrips, adapters, inverters, towels, handiwipes, packing light. If you don't know, lay the stuff out and think of all the situations you could be in and work your way through it. And test out the equipment before going into the field. After getting up at 4am and trying to get some sleep only to be awakened at 6am by some unnamed journalists who have just shown up yelling at editors back home that their equipment is not working outside our tent really does not make a lot of friends nearby. Sound travels far out here.

but it also comes down to helping each other out. Some may be more prepared than others but instead of getting angry just help them out and hopefully they will learn for the next time.

Lizards like the peanut butter from the MRE's by the way and the kangaroo Rats living under my tent also like to pop in at night for some crackers.

Other than that....just keep listening and I think in a few days I may be able to shead some light on what and where I am. This is a wild ride and getting more interesting by the minute.
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Debra L Rothenberg, Photographer
New York | NY | USA | Posted: 9:30 AM on 03.18.03
->> Thanks for the updates Jack..and be safe.
Just curious--any women photographers there?
Debbie
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Michael Troutman, Photographer
Carmel | CA | USA | Posted: 11:54 AM on 03.18.03
->> Peanut butter? Hmmmmm. Must be the "smooth" variety. Maybe we'll try that with our bearded dragon. He prefers crickets, mealworms and the occasional baby mouse. I'd be fascinated to see a picture of your new pet!

Nice shot of you "getting frisky" with the dromedary, thanks Grover!

The best of luck to you and your unit in the coming days/weeks. Keep the posts coming, they provide an amazing window on both your role as a PJ and on the war itself, as seen from right behind the front line. Another reason why this is the coolest site on the Net!
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Evan Parker, Student/Intern, Photographer
Shoreline | WA | USA | Posted: 10:20 AM on 03.19.03
->> This properly belongs in another thread, and probably can be fully discussed after the whole conflict is over, but I was wondering how the press pool was affecting you, Jack, and everybody else out there. Also, does anybody know any freelancers out there free of escorts and restrictions? Are their photos going up anywhere? I just did a big speech on the press pool and war photography censorship, and it made me curious about this conflict- especially how the "imbedded" journalists (like Jack) are operating out there, and how their access and restrictions are different from normal pool journalists.

Good luck out there, JG- keep yourself safe, and bring back some killer (oops, wrong word) great (that's better) shots!
All us photogs love to live vicariously!
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Robin O'Shaughnessy, Photographer
Lubbock | TX | USA | Posted: 12:54 AM on 03.20.03
->> Jack, hope all is okay with you and everyone else out there in the desert.

Please take care. Robin
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Jeff Stanton, Photographer
Tucson | AZ | USA | Posted: 4:51 PM on 03.20.03
->> I envy Jack and the others for going to the front lines (or as far as they can go) to cover this war and bring us as many images as possible.

Think of it, no comforts of home like a recliner, the frig in the next room, your own bed. And no Wal Mart. EGAD!

I appreciate your efforts, gang. Thank you.
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Grover Sanschagrin, Photographer
Albany | CA | USA | Posted: 6:44 PM on 03.20.03
->> My mother (and Brad's mother too) reads SportsShooter.com and follows these message threads on a daily basis. She just sent me this email (she knows Jack.)

-----------------------------------

Grover -

Since I can't send a message to Jack because I'm not an official SportsShooter Member - can you pass along a message to him for me. Tell him your Mom is thinking about him and doing big time prayers to get him home here safe and sound.

Does that sound to Motherly to post?

Love

Mom
Xxx ooo

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So, I'm wondering if we should start up a new membership classification for "SportsShooter Moms".

Thoughts?
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Sam Morris, Photographer
Henderson (Las Vegas) | NV | USA | Posted: 6:51 PM on 03.20.03
->> Shouldn't even be a question. Sign her up.
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Julio Cortez, Photographer, Student/Intern
Los Angeles | ca | | Posted: 6:53 PM on 03.20.03
->> about the "sportsshooter moms" thing it might be a good idea...

but i dont think it'd be nice to have my mother log on and put a post about me cleaning up my member page. :)
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Matt Hevezi, Photographer
PSC 557 Box 914 | FPO AP | USA | Posted: 7:01 PM on 03.20.03
->> how about a vote?
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Steven E. Frischling, Photographer
Amherst | MA | USA | Posted: 7:02 PM on 03.20.03
->> Grover:

Sign her up and send me the bill for US$25
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Dave Prelosky, Photographer
Lower Burrell | Pa | US | Posted: 7:10 PM on 03.20.03
->> No voting necessary, elected by acclimation.
I'll split the tab with Fish.
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Steven E. Frischling, Photographer
Amherst | MA | USA | Posted: 7:33 PM on 03.20.03
->> Jack:

Can you recommend any good places for Ribs in Kuwait?

I may, or may not, be heading there near the begining of April, and am always looking for good rib joints, anywhere in the world. (The Britania Hotel, in the Docklands section of London had some nice ribs last week. Not the greatest, but the best I have had yet in the UK).

I'll even try BBQ ribs from various kinds of specie sources.
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Dave Prelosky, Photographer
Lower Burrell | Pa | US | Posted: 8:10 PM on 03.20.03
->> I understand the mideast is big on mutton... Anyone want to recomend a BBQ sauce for lamb?
Dave
(who thinks BBQ beef is a Mortal Sin)
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Yuli Wu, Photographer
Ann Arbor | MI | | Posted: 8:45 AM on 03.23.03
->> Hey Jack,
Do you think you can find me a husband while your out there with the cutie marines.
1. 5 ft. 10 - 6 ft 2
2. Good personality
3. Pretty cute
Just kidding!!! Be careful out there. Great images. I'm shooting for the News a lot now at least for the time being.
Love,
Yuli
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Brad Mangin, Photographer
Pleasanton | CA | USA | Posted: 4:01 PM on 03.24.03
->> Hey everybody...

Another cool AV presentation from Jack Gruber went up today on the USA Today website.

Jack talks about what it is like to capture Iraqi soldiers, and about the long trek North through the desert.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/iraq/front.htm

(Click the "Taking Care Of Business" tab.)
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Tilo Wiedensohler, Photographer
Berlin | Berlin | Germany | Posted: 5:21 PM on 03.24.03
->> Did Jack also talk about what it is like for Iraqis to be capured - or "even worse": how is it like to be capured by Iraqis?
Is there anybody out there, who feels uncomfortable or even (I dare to say) sick of all that heroic bullshit?
Is there a difference in showing/publishing pictures of captured Iraqis (on their knees with US-soldiers standing in front of them) on one hand and captured US-soldiers on the other? - No ! (although Donald R. is thinking differently)
Enjoy the "beautiful" pictures of our collegues and thank George W. for this great opportunity to show the world "our/your point-of-view" ...
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Richard Orr, Photographer
Longmeadow | MA | USA | Posted: 9:03 PM on 03.24.03
->> Tilo,

While I respect your right to post whatever you want, as someone with several close friends in a couple of those tanks, I have to say that this is not the time for political observations. We are there. Its a fact. There ain't nothing we here at SS can do about it. I hope they all come home fast, safe, and with as few Iraqi deaths as possible.

These are stressful times for everyone involved. The French and Germans had their say a couple of weeks ago. We are having ours now.

I pray for peace and the safe return of my old buddies every day. I hope others join me in doing the same.
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Mike O'Bryon, Photographer
Ft. Lauderdale | FL | USA | Posted: 10:53 PM on 03.24.03
->> I have to say that while I disagree with points made by Tilo Wiendensohler ... I'm truly frightened by Mr. Orr's belief that " ...this is not the time for political observations."

I have been operating under the assumption that we are all gathered here to share opinions and observations...not to suppress them.
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Matt Hevezi, Photographer
PSC 557 Box 914 | FPO AP | USA | Posted: 3:25 AM on 03.25.03
->> Tilo,

This is my response to your post:

Tilo wrote:

"Is there a difference in showing/publishing pictures of captured Iraqis (on their knees with US-soldiers standing in front of them) on one hand and captured US-soldiers on the other? - No !"

There is a difference in my opinion.

Iraqis have been using Americans as government sponsored media propaganda to sway public opinion that Iraq is actually winning. That is sooooo dangerous. When troops and even more importantly Joe Public see this type of false reporting, it will encourage them to fight and resist rather than surrender. What this means is there will be thousands more killed needlessly as a result of the misuse of images of American POWs.

Also of important note:

Iraqi soldiers have been simulating surrender, then changing tactics and killing U.S. Marines accepting their surrender. Each scene of any surrenders should be covered to ensure these instances of false surrenders are recorded. Very important.

I'm not sure if you will acknowledge these two very basic counterpoints to your posts, but I felt compelled to respond to what you wrote. I felt it needed a little seeding from another's perspective.

Also, in general:

Anyone who believes this war if wrong should seek out and speak to any Iraqi who has lived under Saddam's rule. I challenge you publicly to find any instance of testimony in opposition of military removal of their president.

To hear, first hand, from Iraqis, accounts and testimonies of how Saddam rules his country and what he does to his own people will bring tears to your eyes.

I believe any public support of Iraq by Iraqis now is only done out of stark fear.

Many of Iraq's soldiers are actually only businessmen, barbers, students, carpenters ... regular guys. If they refuse, their families are often victimized or murdered. They are fighting in uniform because they have no other choice. Most regulars very much want to surrender, but fear execution at the hands of Republican Guard if caught before the can make it to the other side.
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Matt Hevezi, Photographer
PSC 557 Box 914 | FPO AP | USA | Posted: 3:26 AM on 03.25.03
->> As usual, sorry for being sucked into this thread derailment.

Go get 'em Jack!
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Richard Orr, Photographer
Longmeadow | MA | USA | Posted: 6:39 AM on 03.25.03
->> I guess my point was akin to wasting time complaining about who left the barn door open when the horses are running towards the interstate. I guess its ok to do, but it is irrelevent to the issues at hand.

I guess I will go back and wrap myself in my flag and shut up about this stuff.
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Byron Hetzler, Photographer
Granby | CO | USA | Posted: 10:16 AM on 03.25.03
->> MH wrote: "Anyone who believes this war if wrong should seek out and speak to any Iraqi who has lived under Saddam's rule. I challenge you publicly to find any instance of testimony in opposition of military removal of their president."

For an example of what Matt was talking about, take a look at the latest issue of SI. There is an article with interviews of several former Iraqi athletes and what they put up with.
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Sam Morris, Photographer
Henderson (Las Vegas) | NV | USA | Posted: 9:21 PM on 03.25.03
->> Jack, or anyone else for that matter, are you using your camera mic to record your observations for your USA Today slideshows?

Stay safe and if you run into Laura Rauch, tell her everyone at the Sun says hello.
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Robert Hanashiro, Photographer
Los Angeles | CA | USA | Posted: 10:10 PM on 03.25.03
->> Excuse me for speaking for Mister Gruber ... he might be a little busy ...

Jack's reports I believe are just recorded off of his Satphone calls to our office. He is not using the sound recording function on a digital camera to record his voice.

The sound function on a 1D can only record about 7 seconds at a time I believe ... Then there would be transmitting the WAV file ...

If I hear anything different, I will let you all know.

Speaking for Jack: Thanks to all for your thoughts, concerns and looking at the work.

The Big Kahuna.
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Bob Markey, Photographer
Royal Palm Beach | FL | USA | Posted: 7:43 AM on 03.28.03
->> I believe the 1D records 30 seconds of audio at a time. But you can add to each file with multiple recordings. The file size does get pretty big at some point, though. I find the audio quality rather good.
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