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Need to buy 2 new DSLR's...what to do.
Ken Andrews, Photographer
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Greeley | CO | USA | Posted: 1:09 AM on 09.29.04 |
->> I used to shoot with 2 D30's. My main unit is dead and the shutter just died on my back up unit. Sports is a passion but wedding work is where my money is at. My style dictates that even at wedding I work and shoot fast. I pushed my little 3fps to the limit constantly. So here I am, needing a new primary body and a new back up body. I have been pondering several routes to go...which would you choose and why?
I do a lot of portrait work, VERY low light conditions, need at least the 5fps on the main body, do some large groups and the facial detail is critical...
1) 20D NEW and 10D USED ($700-800)
2) 20D NEW and D60 USED ($600)
3) 1D USED ($1500) and D60 or 10D USED
4) any other combo you can think of!
THANKS! |
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Mike Doran, Photographer
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Petaluma | CA | U.S.A. | Posted: 1:14 AM on 09.29.04 |
| ->> 1D uses and 20D new! |
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Mike Doran, Photographer
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Petaluma | CA | U.S.A. | Posted: 1:15 AM on 09.29.04 |
| ->> 1D used and 20D new! |
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Saul Loeb, Photographer, Student/Intern
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Tucson | AZ | USA | Posted: 1:18 AM on 09.29.04 |
->> Where can you find a used 1D for $1500? Just curious as I've seem them all in the $2k neighborhood.
BTW, I agree with Mike. 20D is great. |
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Shi-Yin Gu, Photographer, Student/Intern
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Manchester | Lancashire | United Kingdom | Posted: 9:24 AM on 09.29.04 |
| ->> I second 1D used and 20D new, or 2x 20D new? |
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Joseph Toth, Student/Intern, Assistant
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Ft Walton Beach | FL | USA | Posted: 9:29 AM on 09.29.04 |
->> Just my $.02...
I am finding a lot of people that picked up new EOS-1D's from Dell and Gateway last year, these cameras have low actuations and now people are selling them for $2,000 avg. It's still a great camera and you'd have plenty of life left on it for a few years work.
Joe |
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Randy Janoski, Photographer
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Chapel Hill | TN | USA | Posted: 11:46 AM on 09.29.04 |
| ->> Well if you don't have the money in your checking or savings go to your banker and bit the bullet! Get two 1D MKII's and be happy! If we're all lucky they won't be "updated" till around 2007! |
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Jack Gruber, Photographer
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San Francisco | CA | USA | Posted: 12:26 PM on 09.29.04 |
->> Why not two new 20D bodies? Great cameras and a huge step up from the D30 which you are use to and well under $2500 for both. No shutter delay like the D30 and 5 frames/second.
You might get some good information if you email sportsshooter Duane Burleson about the 20D and using it to shoot sports. Get his take on it. He might even chime in here.
I would much rather have the lighter/smaller bodies to shoot the wedding stuff and other work. The Mark II and the 1D are heavy and big but great cameras. The 20D is all that too and would work for you shooting sports also.
I don't know if I personally would switch all my Mark II bodies out for the D20 right now but a majority of my assignments are not sports and I would rather have the D20 in those instances. But if I were in your shoes, I would look at the D20 options and have two of the same bodies.
jg |
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Billy Suratt, Photographer, Photo Editor
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Russell Springs | KY | USA | Posted: 1:31 PM on 09.29.04 |
->> If I were in your shoes (and I have no idea what your budget is), my first choice would be two 1D Mark IIs.
My second choice would be a Mark II and a 20D.
My third choice would be two 20Ds.
My fourth choice would be one 20D and one 10D.
My fifth choice would be two 1Ds.
I'd personally avoid mixing CMOS and CCD bodies because it would only serve to complicate your workflow. CMOS and CCD behave slightly differently in various situations and require slightly different handling in post, so sticking with one flavor of sensor should greatly simplify your workflow. Simpler is better, right?
For the money, I think two 20Ds is probably the way to go. |
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Clark Brooks, Photographer, Photo Editor
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Urbana | IL | USA | Posted: 2:20 PM on 09.29.04 |
->> After couple of years of shooting weddings on two or three different body, I can tell you whatever your choice get both the same bodies.
For wedding work 2-20D bodies would be the way to go, Ken.
If you are shooting RAW it will be easier to process all the files in a folder using the same settings so you images will look consistent. It is a pain having to process two (sometimes three) different RAW files to complete a package. I use two different workflow for each of canon's digital file types in order to get the images to look like film. The nice thing is all of your files are the same resolution.
Another plus for the 20D is the RAW convertor software. It is sweet. Find someone who is using it and take a look at on a computer. It will blow you away if you have been using D30 bodies.
Third, as Jack pointed out - weight. The 20D bodies are a heck of a lot lighter. Focusing is definitely faster even under low-light conditions. Shooting in continuous mode is noticibly faster as well.
I haven't tried it shooting sports yet, but for all other applications the 20D seems able to handle just about any PJ task. |
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Thomas Oed, Photographer
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San Diego | CA | USA | Posted: 3:09 PM on 09.29.04 |
->> Not being a Canon shooter, I can't speak from direct experience, but I DEFINITELY second the opinion that, whatever you get, get two of the same!! That way when you switch, you're dealing with the same set of controls, etc. Especially being in the unique situation you are, buying two bodies at once. When you buy them a couple of years apart, it's always tempting (and probably better) to get what's newest.
From what I've heard, two of the 20D's would absolutely be the best bet. Your wedding shots will benefit from the added resolution, and it seems the 20D will give respectable performance for sports as well... certainly better than your D30's did. Plus you aren't getting anything used, and you're getting the newest technology.
Let us know what you decide, and how it works out. Good luck!
-Thomas- |
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Ken Andrews, Photographer
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Greeley | CO | USA | Posted: 11:13 PM on 09.29.04 |
| ->> Thanks for all the comments....especially about the bodies being the same. Makes sense and it's what I have been doing up until now. Having just been married, the budget is stretched a little right now. A 20D is DEFINETLY in the works and needed by the 8th - or at least the back up will be. I was thinking maybe a 10d or D60 for a back up and then upgrading later to a second 20D and modifying the original backup to an infrared setup...interesting. THANKS!!! |
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Darren Whitley, Photographer
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Maryville | MO | USA | Posted: 11:51 PM on 09.29.04 |
| ->> Buy two 20Ds so you never feel like one body is inferior to the other. That way no photo is a compromised by an inferior model. |
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Ken Andrews, Photographer
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Greeley | CO | USA | Posted: 3:43 PM on 10.02.04 |
| ->> I actually found a 20D in stock in Denver - I pick it up Monday afternoon. As for the second body, I would love to have a 20D but I think I'll have to look for a good pre-owned 10D for a back up. Anyone have one for sale? |
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