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Canon 20D Review
James Rulison, Photographer
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Bruce Twitchell, Photographer, Student/Intern
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Lewiston | ID | USA | Posted: 6:36 PM on 08.19.04 |
| ->> Wow, at $1500, sign me up for one. |
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Jim Comeau, Student/Intern, Photographer
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Los Angeles | CA | USA | Posted: 7:14 PM on 08.19.04 |
| ->> How hard is it going to be to unload a 10D? I've had mine for almost a year now and has less than 10K actuations, but I don't think anyone is going to pay close to what I did for it, the batteries, the grip, etc. Maybe to a new student this semester... |
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Jack Howard, Photographer
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Somerville | NJ | USA | Posted: 7:50 PM on 08.19.04 |
| ->> Anyone know a ship date? |
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Jack Howard, Photographer
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Somerville | NJ | USA | Posted: 7:58 PM on 08.19.04 |
| ->> Mid-September...the Galbraith article mentions... |
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andrew wilz, Photographer
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Aspen | CO | usa | Posted: 8:05 PM on 08.19.04 |
| ->> damn... i'm trying to get rid of my 10d... THANKS Canon.. ! |
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Bruce Twitchell, Photographer, Student/Intern
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Lewiston | ID | USA | Posted: 8:11 PM on 08.19.04 |
| ->> Yout think you have problems Andrew? I am going to try and sell my D60! It is going on Ebay tonight! |
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Michael R. Sisak, Photographer, Student/Intern
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Bruce Twitchell, Photographer, Student/Intern
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Lewiston | ID | USA | Posted: 9:45 PM on 08.19.04 |
| ->> Why did Canon leave the body with just USB2??? Why not Firewire?! Does it really cost that much more to put firewire in a body over USB2? |
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Brian Light, Photographer
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Pennsville | NJ | USA | Posted: 9:48 PM on 08.19.04 |
| ->> Actually who connects the camera to a computer anyway. I think I did it once or twice in the last year. At least it is USB 2.0 this time. ;) |
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Jack Howard, Photographer
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Somerville | NJ | USA | Posted: 10:13 PM on 08.19.04 |
| ->> Check the classifieds, Andrew...Someone's looking for a 10D... |
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Erik Seo, Photographer
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Park City | UT | USA | Posted: 11:29 PM on 08.19.04 |
->> Dammit, now I don't know what I'm going to buy. I was just ready to get the MKII.
Dammit, dammit, dammit! |
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andrew wilz, Photographer
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Aspen | CO | usa | Posted: 11:38 PM on 08.19.04 |
| ->> Thanks Jack.. I know.. but he wants to pay like 25$ for it.. I can't take that kind of hit... (unfortunately) |
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Dustin Snipes, Student/Intern, Photographer
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Cheney | Wa | United States | Posted: 11:47 PM on 08.19.04 |
->> Well Erik, if you were thinking the MKII or the 20D, just think, if you get the 20D, you can get three for the price of the MKII!! FUN!
haha
I cant wait till this camera hits the stores, i wonder when you can start to pre order? |
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Zack Podell, Photographer, Assistant
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Marina Del Rey | CA | USA | Posted: 11:59 PM on 08.19.04 |
->> and to think I just got a Mk II less than 6 weeks ago!!!!
(insert expletive laden tirade here!!!!)
The good news is that there is still a long way for the 20D to go to meet the specs of the Mk II (for MkII owners, that is). The bad news is that most of the important features/ benefits of the Mk II, over what was the 10D, have disappeared slightly...... and the cost difference is amazing!!!!! |
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Ken Andrews, Photographer
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Matthew Bush, Student/Intern, Photographer
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Ellisville | MS | USA | Posted: 1:52 AM on 08.20.04 |
| ->> Damn, time to find a freshman that wants a dslr.......... Anybody think this will drive the 1d's (not the mark II but the old ones on the used market) price down? |
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Sean Gallagher, Student/Intern, Photographer
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Columbia | MO | USA | Posted: 2:00 AM on 08.20.04 |
->> "hy did Canon leave the body with just USB2??? Why not Firewire?! Does it really cost that much more to put firewire in a body over USB2?"
because USB2 is just as fast. plus it's a prosumer camera. more windows prosumers have usb2 than firewire. very simple, really. |
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Ken Andrews, Photographer
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Greeley | CO | USA | Posted: 2:05 AM on 08.20.04 |
->> Yes, I think it will drive the price down. "Most" photographers will not miss the extra 3 fps outside of truely fast action sports (ex. "A majority of all pros" LOL). Come on, 5fps, 8.2MP, fast auto-focus, stronger body (over 10D), same processor as Mark II...this seems to be the IDEAL blend of performance and price. Sure the Mark II has it's advantages still (8fps, weather, a little more rugged, no damned pop-up flash or dummy-modes and the built in vertical grip).
HOWEVER, for most pros the savings of about $3k will be fine to gain the advantage of the chip and the excellent images at ISO 800, 1600 and acceptable at 3200!?!?!?! Are you kidding me? All for about $1500? Where is the line to buy one? Two? Three? Can you tell I think I'm in Heaven? Seriously, I'd rather have 2 20D units at $3k and add a new lens or a couple 580EX units instead of 1 Mark II for $4k.
So, yes. Those who want the Mark II For the qualities will buy it. The 20D for all other pro's AND the 1D (used) for those who MUST have 8fps and weather sealed at the cost of the processor quality (comparitively, still great though!) for less than the Mark II. I see the 1D's falling to around $1200-1500 (heavy use) and the $2k mark for light to mod use on the used market.
If you have a 1D to sell, should have done it last week! LOL! |
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Jeff Stanton, Photographer
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Tucson | AZ | USA | Posted: 2:24 AM on 08.20.04 |
| ->> Pretty impressive machine. Has there been any mention of its shutter lag? |
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Jeff Stanton, Photographer
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Tucson | AZ | USA | Posted: 2:27 AM on 08.20.04 |
| ->> I looked at Galbraith's site. Shutter lag is 65 millisecond, 115 millisecond mirror blackout time and 0.2 second camera startup time |
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Dustin Snipes, Student/Intern, Photographer
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Cheney | Wa | United States | Posted: 2:35 AM on 08.20.04 |
| ->> Compared to the great shutter on 1D and mark II at 65 milliseconds. I think most of us can live with 10 milliseconds more. |
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Jeff Stanton, Photographer
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Tucson | AZ | USA | Posted: 2:44 AM on 08.20.04 |
->> Indeed, the 10D lag is rated at 190 milliseconds, according to a source I found online. That's a great improvement. The D60 lag was rated at 240!
http://www.aaacamera.com/canon_eos_10d.html |
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Dustin Snipes, Student/Intern, Photographer
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Cheney | Wa | United States | Posted: 3:48 AM on 08.20.04 |
->> So pretty much it is the most amazing camera (for its price) in the world. Man, i love this camera so much and it has only been talked about for two days!
Plus i have a D60, so this will be an amazing upgrade! |
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Julian Jenkins, Photographer, Student/Intern
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Canyon Country | CA | USA | Posted: 5:44 AM on 08.20.04 |
| ->> Great camera. I'll take two to go please..... |
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Dave Kennedy, Photographer
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Nanuet | NY | US | Posted: 9:31 AM on 08.20.04 |
| ->> Jeeze, I wonder if anyone would want my D30...anyone...anyone....yeah thought so. |
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Michael R. Sisak, Photographer, Student/Intern
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Huntington | NY | USA | Posted: 9:48 AM on 08.20.04 |
| ->> Wow, now I'm in a real quandary. Mark II or 20D... wow. |
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Robert Dall, Photographer, Assistant
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Portage la Prairie | MB | Canada | Posted: 10:34 AM on 08.20.04 |
->> This camera is really making me want to switch but can you get a vertical grip for it????
I couldn't live without a vert grip |
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David Lane, Photographer
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Harrison | TN | USA | Posted: 10:50 AM on 08.20.04 |
->> Robert, you can get a vertical grip. It is th BP-E2.
The deal killer for me would be only a six frame buffer in RAW mode. The 10d had 9. |
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Craig Peterson, Photographer
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St. Petersburg | FL | US | Posted: 11:30 AM on 08.20.04 |
->> "This is a preview of a pre-production EOS 20D. A full review will follow as soon as a production camera is available."....I would be content to wait and see how it actually does in the field.....Lets see how good the AF works with a 70-200 2.8 IS at a football game. Don't sell your 10D yet, you might be better off upgrading to a MKII if you are shooting any kind of serious action sports.
The 10D got the same reaction before it was available to buy, and got lots of complaints once it was on the market. I use the 10D, and I love it but it does have it's limitations. Why sell one pro-sumer camera to get another slightly better one? I'll save the 1500 bucks and hold out for a true action sports camera, the MKII and keep my 10D, it will make a great backup.
Craig |
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Erik Seo, Photographer
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Park City | UT | USA | Posted: 12:24 PM on 08.20.04 |
| ->> Tough choice for me. I'd definately miss a few things with the 20D, but the cost savings right now would be very huge. I just don't know how I'd feel about going from 8fps with spot metering and weather sealed to 5fps without. I'm shooting skiing/snowboarding mainly so the weather seals are very important......just not sure yet. Again.....dammit, dammit, dammit! |
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Nelson Antoine, Photographer, Student/Intern
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andrew wilz, Photographer
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Aspen | CO | usa | Posted: 1:33 PM on 08.20.04 |
->> ... just wait until you see the 18mp 9fps update to the MkII.. (yeah.. it's coming... and it's even been seen in person by a friend of mine... )
(no you can't have his address...) |
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Michael R. Sisak, Photographer, Student/Intern
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Huntington | NY | USA | Posted: 4:01 PM on 08.20.04 |
| ->> I'm sure. |
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Thomas Patterson, Photographer, Photo Editor
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Portland | OR | US of A | Posted: 4:44 PM on 08.20.04 |
| ->> I hear it's made of 24-carat solid gold with mother-of-pearl inlay. The CMOS sensor is encrusted with pretty, pretty diamonds. |
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Julian Jenkins, Photographer, Student/Intern
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Canyon Country | CA | USA | Posted: 5:40 PM on 08.20.04 |
| ->> Just laid down the cash for mine. Mid-Sept they say.... |
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Dustin Snipes, Student/Intern, Photographer
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Cheney | Wa | United States | Posted: 5:47 PM on 08.20.04 |
| ->> Where at? |
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Doug Holleman, Photographer
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Temple | TX | USA | Posted: 10:04 PM on 08.20.04 |
->> I'm tempted to buy one myself, if Nikon doesn't' get off their asses and throw us a bone on the D200. It's been over two years, and four Canon upgrades since the D100. I could really use a new camera for football season.
The dark side is strong. |
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Dave Kennedy, Photographer
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Nanuet | NY | US | Posted: 10:27 PM on 08.20.04 |
->> Just wait for Photokina, I'm sure Nikon will have something to compete with Canon.
The question is what camera will the new Nikon compete with the 20D or the 10D. |
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andrew wilz, Photographer
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Aspen | CO | usa | Posted: 2:02 AM on 08.21.04 |
->> Nikon already has the d2x coming to you soon... Canon's retort is the body i mentioned earlier, that Thomas pooo pooed... i told you it's coming... i wasn't kidding.. Nikon is offering something in the 12mp range, and because that's obviously not enough, Canon's response is an 18mp monster. Just you wait... You can thank me when your bank account is EMPTY because you just HAD to have it, as soon as it comes out..
(mark my words) |
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Thomas Patterson, Photographer, Photo Editor
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Portland | OR | US of A | Posted: 2:57 AM on 08.21.04 |
->> Of course I believe you, Andrew, no poo-pooing here. I just don't know how many shooters (esp. photo-j) will need an 18mb camera. Considering that a good percentage of our shots run three columns or less, how many more pixels can we cram in there to make enough of a difference to justify the price?
Each shooter has to rationalize the expense for his/her individual business. I'll buy the 20D for its improved autofocus and shutter speed. Art and nature photographers might jump for the hypothetical 18 mb rig, though, people needing to make poster prints, at least until the 24mb camera comes out in 2006. Then they'll rush out and plunk down a few more Gs for the 32mb video/still combo in 2007. But Christopher Morris will still kick our behinds with his Polaroid during the 2008 presidential campaigns. |
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andrew wilz, Photographer
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Aspen | CO | usa | Posted: 3:06 AM on 08.21.04 |
| ->> I hear you Thomas... It's very true.. With my 1d and some editing trickery, i can get images that, to a certain extent (for print) will get close to what i can produce with a 10d currently... you lose some detail, but for what i shoot mostly (sports), it's a non-issue. Having a fast autofocus is obviously paramount, and minimal lag-time is key as well. FPS is secondary, as timing is more important. The 20d will be interesting to check out, as it may answer most of the 10d's shortcomings, and will serve as a very acceptable intermediary to the mkII and 1d. |
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Robert Dall, Photographer, Assistant
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Portage la Prairie | MB | Canada | Posted: 2:30 PM on 08.21.04 |
->> "Art and nature photographers might jump for the hypothetical 18 mb rig"
Might not be as hypothetical as it sounds. Can't wait for Photokina. |
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Gary Brittain, Photographer
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Roanoke | VA | USA | Posted: 1:05 PM on 08.22.04 |
->> I noticed that the secondary AF selection button on the back of the camera has been removed. I use this all the time in shooting baseball.
I set the point to the bottom one and when there is a throw to 1st base, i press that button and place it on the bag and the runner sliding into 1st is almost always (90%) in focus and the framing is right. |
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Ed J. Szalajeski, Photographer
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Jason Peterson, Photographer
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Sherman Oaks | CA | USA | Posted: 3:53 PM on 08.22.04 |
->> Gary,
From what I've read, the new thumbstick is supposed to control your focus point now... by pressing it in any direction it will select the appropriate point.
It will probably take a little getting used to, but should do just what you need.
We can also hope there's a custom function that lets us map the 'clicking' (pressing down on it rather than pushing any direction) to a default home focus point.
Cheers,
Jason |
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Michael Ferron, Photographer
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Oakland | ME | USA | Posted: 6:55 PM on 08.22.04 |
| ->> On Ken Rockwell's site he made a semi-humorous comment about Canon already having a camera waiting in the wings with twice the megapixels as Nikon's future release. They just sit on it and wait. Think about it. No sooner did Nikon release the D2h and Canon announces the MK2. Not so funny for us Nikon owners. ;0 |
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Julian Jenkins, Photographer, Student/Intern
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Canyon Country | CA | USA | Posted: 9:37 PM on 08.22.04 |
| ->> Dustin- I laid my $ at two stores for two cameras. Silvo's and paul's in Torrance. |
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Jason Peterson, Photographer
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Sherman Oaks | CA | USA | Posted: 10:13 PM on 08.22.04 |
->> I'm on the list at my neighborhood SS Sponsor.
Cheers,
Jason |
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