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RAW processors
Michael Hickey, Photographer
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Muncie | IN | USA | Posted: 9:33 AM on 07.15.04 |
->> Does anybody know of any comparative comprehensive studies of Adobe Camera Raw and other RAW processors such as Canon's DPP, Nikon Capture, C1?
From the tests I've seen Nikon Capture is hands down better at processing NEF's than ACR, but I'm not sure I can see a difference in DPP against ACR.
I would like to know what others think as well. |
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Jamie Mullen, Photographer
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Medina | OH | USA | Posted: 2:26 PM on 07.15.04 |
->> IMO, C1 works the best with Canon files but the workflow until you are used to C1 can be a little painful to become familar and efficient with.
Breezebrowser is also good and is quite simple and fast - not as much control as C1 but if your exposure, WB, and colors are close, it's a time saver.
I have never been a big fan of ACR. |
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Michael Hickey, Photographer
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Muncie | IN | USA | Posted: 2:35 PM on 07.15.04 |
| ->> After doing some comparison this morning, I'll never use ACR again! |
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Nick Doan, Photographer, Assistant
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Scottsdale | AZ | USA | Posted: 2:43 PM on 07.15.04 |
->> Michael,
can you posts your comparisons, or your thoughts on the comparisons for the next person who might be looking for some input?
Thanks. |
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Michael Hickey, Photographer
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Muncie | IN | USA | Posted: 3:46 PM on 07.15.04 |
->> Nick,
No problem, here's a simple comparison. These are STRAIGHT out, no manipulation at all. If you're on a good monitor you should be able to plainly see the ACR file looks somewhat dull and less sharp compared to the snappy shot from the Nikon.
www.sportsshooter.com/hickman/raw/ |
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Jerome Davis, Photographer
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Nick Doan, Photographer, Assistant
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Scottsdale | AZ | USA | Posted: 4:12 PM on 07.15.04 |
->> My first question is, can you use the sliders in ACR to easily render the same conversion?
I'm not trying to defend ACR...I'm just trying to keep an integrated workflow. Doing my conversions and any necessary cropping and a little USM is really easy in PS CS. Converting them in one app then moving to another app for image cropping/resizing or whatever seems like it would take awhile if editing lots of photos at one time.
Definitely need to ease the workflow. Lately I have been working things in PS CS first, then going to FotoStation or Photo Mechanic to caption. |
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Neil Brake, Photographer
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Nashville | TN | USA | Posted: 4:28 PM on 07.15.04 |
| ->> I am using the Adobe Camera Raw plug-in for the Canon EOS 1D .raw files and the Mark 2 . CF2 files and love it. I have tryed the canon software, but Adobe has it beat hands down. |
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Michael Hickey, Photographer
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Muncie | IN | USA | Posted: 4:39 PM on 07.15.04 |
->> Neil I'm not sure I agree with that, although for the workflow I like ACR for my Mk II files but for quality I'm leaning to DPP, for my Nikon files Capture is the hands down winner.
Jerome, I just finished reading that thread a few minutes ago thanks anyways. I wish Galbraith himself would do an in-depth study on the different RAW processors.
Nick, it would take me ten times as long to adjust the ACR files to match the Nikon's and I still don't think I can get the sharpness in ACR as compared to Capture. |
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Hassel Weems, Photographer
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Locust Grove (Atlanta) | GA | USA | Posted: 6:24 PM on 07.15.04 |
| ->> I use Nikon Capture 4 for my NEF conversions. I have never used ACR and have a question, can you save the changes to your NEF and retain the ability to revert back to the original NEF? With Capture, you can make changes and save them but revert back to the original file later if needed. |
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Eric Hagen, Photographer
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Denver | CO | USA | Posted: 12:59 AM on 07.16.04 |
->> ACR doesn't write out RAW/NEF files, it reads them and then allows you to save them as PSD or TIFF or JPG or whatever. So if I'm understanding your question right, yes, you can edit them as many times as you like and still open the original file and use it again.
Eric |
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Hassel Weems, Photographer
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Locust Grove (Atlanta) | GA | USA | Posted: 1:54 AM on 07.16.04 |
->> Thanks Eric. Capture will let you make changes to a NEF, and save those changes in the file. You can go back after a save and reset to the original raw data. You are not actually writing a new NEF, but a set of instructions is appended to the original file. The files show an "edited" icon in Nikon View to show they have been modified.
My workflow in Capture is to make any changes and save in the NEF file. You can also set your crop and output resolution in Capture, this doesn't actually change the original data, but it sets the sizes for exported files. For much work, this means you can do everything in Capture and never have to open the exported file in another program, you can then delete the jpg you made to transmit but not lose the color/curves/crop settings you made. This saves the headache of keeping up with numerous versions of the same photo. You can't do artwork in Capture, so portrait or commecial work that needs retouching you will need a photoshoppable file.
Micheal, I don't know if this helps any or not, but from a workflow standpoint it works well for me. |
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Joe Andras, Photographer
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Laguna Beach | CA | USA | Posted: 9:21 AM on 07.16.04 |
->> To Nick Doan and Other Who Primarily Use PSCS for Their Workflow.
Nick Doan said:
>>>I'm just trying to keep an integrated workflow.
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>>>Lately I have been working things in PS CS first,
>>>then going to FotoStation or Photo Mechanic to caption.
Nick,
Why not stay in Photoshop and use Photoshop's "File Browser" (Ctrl-Shft-O on Windows machines)?
You can even resize the windows for captioning. Here's an example of what I'm talking about:
http://www.teamandras.com/personal/PhotoshopCS_Captioning.jpg
Thanks,
Joe. |
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Nick Doan, Photographer, Assistant
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Scottsdale | AZ | USA | Posted: 9:26 AM on 07.16.04 |
->> Joe,
Thanks for the suggestion, but there are more fields than that I need to fill out than is easily seen in File Browser. When I need to caption 60 or more images from the same event, it gets unwieldy pretty fast, and I find that if I do the captioning in a program other than Photoshop, it seems to work faster.
I'm probably stuck in a rut, but I'll try the File Browser captioning again to see if I see any difference. |
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Joe Andras, Photographer
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Laguna Beach | CA | USA | Posted: 9:29 AM on 07.16.04 |
->> Nick,
Out of curiosity, which fields do you routinely fill in during a typical captioning session?
J. |
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Nick Doan, Photographer, Assistant
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Scottsdale | AZ | USA | Posted: 9:41 AM on 07.16.04 |
->> Erg, hmm.
I fill in the caption, date, city, state, country, time, a lot of times I fill in the category and subcategory (I believe that's what they are called), photographer, caption writer, copyright info, credit, source, byline, and if I feel ambitious keywords. |
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