Story   Photographer   Editor   Student/Intern   Assistant   Job/Item The Online Resource for Sports Photography

 Front Page
 Member Index
 Latest Headlines
 Special Features
 'Fun Pix'
 Message Board
 Educate Yourself
 Equipment Profiles
 Classified Ads
 Monthly Clip Contest
 Annual Contest
 Current Issue
 Back Issues
 Members Area
 "The Guide"
About Us:
 About SportsShooter
 Contact Us
 Terms & Conditions

Sign in:
Members log in here with your user name and password to access the your admin page and other special features.



|| Member Message Board

Nikon NEF / Capture 4 shooters - sRGB I, III, Ia, IIIa
Hassel Weems, Photographer
Locust Grove (Atlanta) | GA | USA | Posted: 8:41 PM on 05.27.04
->> The D1 and D1X (I would assume the D1H as well) have 3 color modes, I sRGB, II Adobe RGB, III sRGB.

Nikon Capture 4 has all 5 of these as options for NEF files. I am working on a large print order that I shot with my D1X in mode I, and can not believe how much better these people pictures look when I change them to mode Ia. Just a heads up to fellow NEF shooters that this is something you might want to try.

As an aside, the D70 (I would assume D2H) has Ia sRGB, II Adobe RGB, IIIa sRGB as the three modes you can select in-camera.
 This post is:  Informative (0) | Funny (0) | Huh? (0) | Off Topic (0) | Inappropriate (0) |   Definitions

Michael Myers, Photographer
Miami Beach | FL | USA | Posted: 8:56 PM on 05.27.04
->> Sports Illustrated (http://www/ suggests "Color Mode II adobe rgb" for the D2h. Is that what most of you use?
 This post is:  Informative (0) | Funny (0) | Huh? (0) | Off Topic (0) | Inappropriate (0) |   Definitions

Brian Jackson, Photographer, Photo Editor
South San Francisco | CA | USA | Posted: 9:32 PM on 05.27.04
->> There are TONS of messages about this topic. sRGB v. RGB. Just because SI suggests something doesn't mean it's right for you.

Do some digging on the site with the search feature and you'll get tons of results. I've mentioned this article in every one of these types of posts, so here it is again. From Will Crockett's ShootSmarter site:
 This post is:  Informative (0) | Funny (0) | Huh? (0) | Off Topic (0) | Inappropriate (0) |   Definitions

Hassel Weems, Photographer
Locust Grove (Atlanta) | GA | USA | Posted: 9:33 PM on 05.27.04
->> I use sRGB because that is what my lab requests and I have been very happy with the results. What I shoot either ends up on photograpic paper or the www. I have heard that Adobe RGB is better for seperating to CMYK.

I shoot in NEF, so it doesn't make much difference, I can change it after the fact. It is interesting to change the color mode from one to another and see the difference in real time.
 This post is:  Informative (0) | Funny (0) | Huh? (0) | Off Topic (0) | Inappropriate (0) |   Definitions

Walter Calahan, Photographer
Silver Spring | MD | USA | Posted: 9:51 PM on 05.27.04
->> sRGB is a smaller color gamut than Adobe RGB 1998. sRGB was developed by Microsoft for internet use.

Industry standard for the BEST color for printing is Adobe RGB 1998. If your lab is using sRGB they are being lazy and throwing 1/3 of your color away.

That said CMYK has a very small color gamut, but it fits within Adobe RGB 1998 better than sRGB. If you try to convert sRGB to CMYK many colors have to be fabricated by the converting engine because sRGB doesn't contain them.

When in doubt, always use Adobe RGB 1998 so that you can down size to sRGB or CMYK in the future. If you use sRGB in the camera, you can not make up the lose of color converting up to Adobe RGB 1998.
 This post is:  Informative (1) | Funny (0) | Huh? (0) | Off Topic (0) | Inappropriate (0) |   Definitions

Trent Nelson, Photographer
Salt Lake City | UT | USA | Posted: 10:12 PM on 05.27.04
->> Adobe RGB 1998 gives you a wider range of color than sRGB.

You should shoot with more color, don't you think? Especially considering you can always convert down to sRGB's more limited range.
 This post is:  Informative (0) | Funny (0) | Huh? (0) | Off Topic (0) | Inappropriate (0) |   Definitions

Rob Kerr, Photographer
Bend | OR | US | Posted: 1:12 AM on 05.28.04
->> ummm, there's conflict in the ranks....Walter, Trent, Brian's posted link suggests otherwise that it is okay to shoot sRGB and convert to Adobe 1998.

Understanding that the author is interested in an outlab result and relationship that is much different than the publication/pre-press world, what is this author thinking? What's the guess or reasoning that an sRGB capture converted to Adobe 1998 works? Obviously, the older sRGB cameras trained prepress to do well with sRGB, but why, in print, does it often look so much better than Adobe 1998 despite the smaller gamut?

I have the Nikon D2H...what are the gamut of the Nikon version of these images...Nikon Adobe RGB, Nikon Adobe Wide RGB, Nikon sRGB etc...

sometimes, and especially with inkjet or lab prints, I get frustrated by Adobe 1998 converted for print in sRGB...anyone else with me?

 This post is:  Informative (0) | Funny (0) | Huh? (0) | Off Topic (0) | Inappropriate (0) |   Definitions

Hassel Weems, Photographer
Locust Grove (Atlanta) | GA | USA | Posted: 2:17 AM on 05.28.04
->> Converting back and forth in an 8 bit file like a jpg does no good, and I suppose could cause some harm. Switching back and forth in an NEF file really doesn't mean anything until you export the 8 bit file.

Anyway, the point of my first message was that D1-H-X NEF shooters have an option of a nicer looking sRGB mode than the ones they started off using. More specifically, it looks like it handles highlights better. It seems to have smoother transitions when you are looking at the brighest 25% of the pixels.

This knowledge will also be helpful to the guy who is shooting a D1 series alongside a more recent Nikon DSLR.
 This post is:  Informative (0) | Funny (0) | Huh? (0) | Off Topic (0) | Inappropriate (0) |   Definitions

Stanley Leary, Photographer
Roswell | GA | USA | Posted: 10:17 AM on 05.28.04
->> Ideally it would be best to always shoot in ADOBE 1998 color space, because you have a huge color space. Then when you decide what your output will be then convert if needed to the space.

FYI: no photo lab equipment will handle Adobe 1998. Always convert (not assign) to sRGB. If you don't you will get gray cast in the skin tones. But if you convert you will not see a big difference between the sRGB and the converted ADOBE 1998.

Now this also impacts your workflow. For the person shooting weddings and dealing in just prints for the client, maybe shooting in sRGB is better for workflow. Which sRGB is like picking your favorite film stock. It is a color preference.

Canon users need to know their cameras while they have the Adobe 1998 color space the images are not ICC tagged properly so your clients cannot pull them into PhotoShop and know what color space you used. You will always have to "assign" the color space to every photo you shoot in the Adobe 1998 color space.
 This post is:  Informative (1) | Funny (0) | Huh? (0) | Off Topic (0) | Inappropriate (0) |   Definitions

Robert Longhitano, Photographer
North Wales | PA | USA | Posted: 10:36 AM on 05.28.04
->> I agree with Walter, if your lab "requires" you to convert to a sRGB color space, GET A NEW LAB.

Any lab worth doing business with will give you access to print profiles so you can soft proof your images and depending on how they want the files, tag or imbed THAT profile to the image. If you use a true color managed workflow this is the only way to get a WYSIWYG print.
 This post is:  Informative (0) | Funny (0) | Huh? (0) | Off Topic (0) | Inappropriate (0) |   Definitions

Add your comments...
If you'd like to add your comments to this thread, use this form. You need to be an active (paying) member of in order to post messages to the system.

NOTE: If you would like to report a problem you've found within the website, please let us know via the 'Contact Us' form, which alerts us immediately. It is not guaranteed that a member of the staff will see your message board post.
Thread Title: Nikon NEF / Capture 4 shooters - sRGB I, III, Ia, IIIa
Thread Started By: Hassel Weems
Member Login:

Return to -->
Message Board Main Index
No ticket for the World Series? World without a ticket ::..