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Nikon NEF / Capture 4 shooters - sRGB I, III, Ia, IIIa
Hassel Weems, Photographer
Locust Grove (Atlanta) | GA | USA | Posted: 8:41 PM on 05.27.04
->> The D1 and D1X (I would assume the D1H as well) have 3 color modes, I sRGB, II Adobe RGB, III sRGB.

Nikon Capture 4 has all 5 of these as options for NEF files. I am working on a large print order that I shot with my D1X in mode I, and can not believe how much better these people pictures look when I change them to mode Ia. Just a heads up to fellow NEF shooters that this is something you might want to try.

As an aside, the D70 (I would assume D2H) has Ia sRGB, II Adobe RGB, IIIa sRGB as the three modes you can select in-camera.
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Michael Myers, Photographer
Miami Beach | FL | USA | Posted: 8:56 PM on 05.27.04
->> Sports Illustrated (http://www/siphoto.com) suggests "Color Mode II adobe rgb" for the D2h. Is that what most of you use?
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Brian Jackson, Photographer, Photo Editor
South San Francisco | CA | USA | Posted: 9:32 PM on 05.27.04
->> There are TONS of messages about this topic. sRGB v. RGB. Just because SI suggests something doesn't mean it's right for you.

Do some digging on the site with the search feature and you'll get tons of results. I've mentioned this article in every one of these types of posts, so here it is again. From Will Crockett's ShootSmarter site:
http://www.shootsmarter.com/infocenter/wc025.html
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Hassel Weems, Photographer
Locust Grove (Atlanta) | GA | USA | Posted: 9:33 PM on 05.27.04
->> I use sRGB because that is what my lab requests and I have been very happy with the results. What I shoot either ends up on photograpic paper or the www. I have heard that Adobe RGB is better for seperating to CMYK.

I shoot in NEF, so it doesn't make much difference, I can change it after the fact. It is interesting to change the color mode from one to another and see the difference in real time.
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Walter Calahan, Photographer
Silver Spring | MD | USA | Posted: 9:51 PM on 05.27.04
->> sRGB is a smaller color gamut than Adobe RGB 1998. sRGB was developed by Microsoft for internet use.

Industry standard for the BEST color for printing is Adobe RGB 1998. If your lab is using sRGB they are being lazy and throwing 1/3 of your color away.

That said CMYK has a very small color gamut, but it fits within Adobe RGB 1998 better than sRGB. If you try to convert sRGB to CMYK many colors have to be fabricated by the converting engine because sRGB doesn't contain them.

When in doubt, always use Adobe RGB 1998 so that you can down size to sRGB or CMYK in the future. If you use sRGB in the camera, you can not make up the lose of color converting up to Adobe RGB 1998.
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Trent Nelson, Photographer
Salt Lake City | UT | USA | Posted: 10:12 PM on 05.27.04
->> Adobe RGB 1998 gives you a wider range of color than sRGB.

You should shoot with more color, don't you think? Especially considering you can always convert down to sRGB's more limited range.
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Rob Kerr, Photographer
Bend | OR | US | Posted: 1:12 AM on 05.28.04
->> ummm, there's conflict in the ranks....Walter, Trent, Brian's posted link suggests otherwise that it is okay to shoot sRGB and convert to Adobe 1998.

Understanding that the shootsmarter.com author is interested in an outlab result and relationship that is much different than the publication/pre-press world, what is this author thinking? What's the guess or reasoning that an sRGB capture converted to Adobe 1998 works? Obviously, the older sRGB cameras trained prepress to do well with sRGB, but why, in print, does it often look so much better than Adobe 1998 despite the smaller gamut?

I have the Nikon D2H...what are the gamut of the Nikon version of these images...Nikon Adobe RGB 4.0.0.3000, Nikon Adobe Wide RGB 4.0.0.3000, Nikon sRGB 4.0.0.3000 etc...

sometimes, and especially with inkjet or lab prints, I get frustrated by Adobe 1998 converted for print in sRGB...anyone else with me?

-rob.
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Hassel Weems, Photographer
Locust Grove (Atlanta) | GA | USA | Posted: 2:17 AM on 05.28.04
->> Converting back and forth in an 8 bit file like a jpg does no good, and I suppose could cause some harm. Switching back and forth in an NEF file really doesn't mean anything until you export the 8 bit file.

Anyway, the point of my first message was that D1-H-X NEF shooters have an option of a nicer looking sRGB mode than the ones they started off using. More specifically, it looks like it handles highlights better. It seems to have smoother transitions when you are looking at the brighest 25% of the pixels.

This knowledge will also be helpful to the guy who is shooting a D1 series alongside a more recent Nikon DSLR.
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Stanley Leary, Photographer
Roswell | GA | USA | Posted: 10:17 AM on 05.28.04
->> Ideally it would be best to always shoot in ADOBE 1998 color space, because you have a huge color space. Then when you decide what your output will be then convert if needed to the space.

FYI: no photo lab equipment will handle Adobe 1998. Always convert (not assign) to sRGB. If you don't you will get gray cast in the skin tones. But if you convert you will not see a big difference between the sRGB and the converted ADOBE 1998.

Now this also impacts your workflow. For the person shooting weddings and dealing in just prints for the client, maybe shooting in sRGB is better for workflow. Which sRGB is like picking your favorite film stock. It is a color preference.

Canon users need to know their cameras while they have the Adobe 1998 color space the images are not ICC tagged properly so your clients cannot pull them into PhotoShop and know what color space you used. You will always have to "assign" the color space to every photo you shoot in the Adobe 1998 color space.
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Robert Longhitano, Photographer
North Wales | PA | USA | Posted: 10:36 AM on 05.28.04
->> I agree with Walter, if your lab "requires" you to convert to a sRGB color space, GET A NEW LAB.

Any lab worth doing business with will give you access to print profiles so you can soft proof your images and depending on how they want the files, tag or imbed THAT profile to the image. If you use a true color managed workflow this is the only way to get a WYSIWYG print.
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