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WOW! (Clip Contest)
Robert Hanashiro, Photographer
Los Angeles | CA | USA | Posted: 5:31 PM on 01.22.03
->> They have done it again!

Grover and Jason have put the finishing touches on our monthly "Clip Contest" after months of desiging, code writing and testing. This will be the crown jewel of our features at SportsShooter.com .... take that ****!
(unnamed 4 letter PJ organization!)

This contest will become THE model for the way contests should be run. It's easy, interactive and educational.

This latest addition to the SportsShooter.com will not only recognize the best in sports photography and photojournalism each and every month but also be FUN!

(And if you're a regular here or a long-time subscriber to my monthly Sports Shooter Newsletter that's the thing that is #1 --- FUN!)

So check out the Clip Contest interface, start keeping track of those great photographs you're making each month and let's see who will be the SportsShooter.com Photographer of the Year!

Bert "The Big Kahuna"
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Grover Sanschagrin, Photo Editor, Photographer
Albany | CA | USA | Posted: 7:46 PM on 01.22.03
->> Bert, remember, you can't vote for yourself! He he.
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Dan Powers, Photographer
Appleton | WI | USA | Posted: 10:44 PM on 01.22.03
->> Bert,
I clicked on Contests and nothing seemed new. Am I looking in the wrong spot for the Clip Contest interface? Or is this still in the works...cheers...Dan.
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Jason Burfield, Photographer
New York | NY | USA | Posted: 10:48 PM on 01.22.03
->> You will see it when you 'log in' to your page. On the first page you get. Currently there is not really anything there...just a blurb. The real 'meat' of it won't show up until Feb 1.
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Steven E. Frischling, Photographer
Amherst | MA | USA | Posted: 11:13 PM on 01.22.03
->> Jason:

Feb 1? But I can't wait that long! I grew up on CNN, I want it all now now now :0)

OK, I'll go back to washing my clothes before I leave San Diego at 5:AM on Friday.(I'm sharing a hotel room for four other photogs....that I know of, I don't want them to leave....no wait I do...I want the bed!)
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Rick Stewart, Photographer
Canandaigua | NY | | Posted: 12:18 PM on 01.23.03
->> Keep the News categories out of the clip contest! Your masthead says:
S P O R T S S H O O T E R -The online resource for
S P O R T S photography. The fact that some of the members are NEWS photographers as well, is fine....let them enter a monthly NEWS clip contest...somewhere else. Or they can start NEWSSHOOTER-The online resource for NEWS photography.

Bert once asked why the hell there were videographers allowed in the NPPA??? I agree. So why expand SPORTSHOOTER into an area that has little to do with SPORTS Photography? There is a gray area for sure, but you guys started this out of your interests and work in SPORTS photography, not news. This site filled a void for those employed and interested in SPORTS photography. Stick to that. You're doing such a great job! Don't dilute it with NEWS.

Tampa Bay 28- Raydahs 26


Rick Stewart
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Jason Burfield, Photographer
New York | NY | USA | Posted: 12:29 PM on 01.23.03
->> Wow. The contest hasn't even launched yet and the complaints have already started.

That must set some sort of record.
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Darren Carroll, Photographer
Cedar Creek (Austin) | TX | USA | Posted: 12:50 PM on 01.23.03
->> Call it a complaint, call it whatever you want. I still think Rick raises some very valid points. I'm in total agreement.

Well, on everything except the final score, that is.
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Jason Burfield, Photographer
New York | NY | USA | Posted: 12:54 PM on 01.23.03
->> I call it a complaint. But that's just me. Only because I'm the one that spends hundreds of hours building this stuff..only to get rather funny complaints before the thing has even gone live!

I believe I have earned the right to call something a complaint if I like. Actually, I KNOW I have earned that right.
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Jonathan Daniel, Photographer
Riverside | IL | USA | Posted: 12:56 PM on 01.23.03
->> Yep, Reeks is right.
Bears 62 Raiders tree.
JD
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Rich Pilling, Photographer
New York | NY | U.S.A. | Posted: 2:20 PM on 01.23.03
->> I agree with Rick and Darren about the contest.

Jason, it's not really a complaint, just his opinion. But since you're one of the "big cheeses", you have the right to call it a complaint.

And, I thought that it was already decided that Grover was the "ss.com photographer of the year."
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Robert Hanashiro, Photographer
Los Angeles | CA | USA | Posted: 2:24 PM on 01.23.03
->> Some of these comments just reenforces the stigma I have been spending my entire career trying to dispel: Photographers are whiners and just love to bitch!

I started the Sports Shooter Newsletter 5 years ago to help photographers --- ALL PHOTOGRAPHERS --- and to nit pick and tell Jason, Grover, Brad and me what to do with this wonderful resource is just plain idiotic!

We want to help photographers ---yes we primarily focus on the sports field --- but to say we want to eliminate other still shooters who may not shoot as much sports as some of us isn't fair.

We want Sports Shooter, SportsShooter.com, the contests and the Annual Workshop & Luau to be accessible to whoever wants to participate.

While I LOVE the idea of a little private club, but Sports Shooter (with over 8,000 subscribers) and now SportsShooter.com has just plain taken off.

We offer one HELLUVA lot more features, services, information and FUN --- more than any organization that goes by a bunch of initials.

So let's chill a bit. And enjoy what we're offering.

If you think we should not allow other kinds photography to be represented in the Monthly Clip Contest, well, we're all entitled to our own (though possibly misguided) opinions.

We decided to add a couple of non-sports categories to make the contest a little more accessible to those that aren't shooting primarily sports --- that way we might be able to indoctrinate them into this wonderful, wacky world that many of us live in!

Sports Shooter and SportsShooter.com is still THE COOLEST place on the Internet for sports photography ... so we let some grainy, black & white photos with a titled horizon win some clip points once in a while. It's still better than N**A giving first place in sports action to a blurry, soft photo of someone swimming the English Channel!

(P.S. --- before flaming me on the crack on the swimming photo: I loved the image, but it is not a winner in Best Sports Action.)

'Nuff Said!

Bert "The Big Kahuna"
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Grover Sanschagrin, Photo Editor, Photographer
Albany | CA | USA | Posted: 2:29 PM on 01.23.03
->> Ha. You guys crack me up. I remember when the site first lauched, some of you were critical of people loading non-sports images into your member gallery. I laughed when I read that stuff... and I am laughing now.

Don't like the non-sports categories -- cool. Don't enter.

-- Grover
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Jason Burfield, Photographer
New York | NY | USA | Posted: 2:29 PM on 01.23.03
->> Rich...

Grover is the "Be All, Do All, SportsShooter.com wonder boy." At least that is what Brad and I call him. I am thinking of building a bit of a 'Grover shrine' on this site somewhere...maybe a 'hidden' feature.... :)

It would probably get the most traffic of any page on the site.

In terms of the clip contest:

Personally, I don't really care if there are 2 categories or 200 categories.

However, I believe the reason we added News and Feature was because of the fact that this site is not composed entirely of _just_ sports photographers. A lot of our members shoot other things, namely News and Features and they are good at it.

Also...I have never been a big contest person, but it seems that a lot of people are 'over' the other contests. Meaning they do not like the way they are run, or they have some sort of issue with these contests.

Our SportsShooter.com clip contest gives a new outlet to these people.

This will be, without doubt, an extremely worthwhile contest.

Also...if you do not like the 'News' and 'Feature' categories, don't enter them!

That seems pretty simple to me.
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Jack Gruber, Photographer
San Francisco | CA | USA | Posted: 2:37 PM on 01.23.03
->> Here is my two cents worth.....

I am not a "sports photographer". It is about 20% of what I do for the paper that employs me. However, the only site I really go and mingle around and take part in on the internet is Sportsshooter.com.

Why?

Well, there are so many different shooters from so many different backgrounds here sharing information back and forth that it is interesting and high eduactional. I find items in message boards daily that I use to help me in my job everyday and not just regarding covering sports. And hopefully, I give a little back to this site too eventhough I am not a full time sports photographer.

Whatever Sportshooter.com can do to attract other serious photographers who don't shoot sports full time--like me--and gather helpful information and share that with this community is a valuable resource we should really welcome and hope for. Sports shooters aren't the only ones who know the best way to pack a equipment case or how to get around airports quickly.

If I was not a Sportsshooter member already, would I as a "parttime" type sports photographer join and keep coming back to Sportsshooter now that there is a contest that not only caters to the sports photographer but brings something to the table for me-the news categories--and what I do 80% of the time when not shooting sports?

Heck yeah!

I think there soon will be many hundreds of other photographers out there thinking the same thing. They may only join to seek fame and fortune through the sportsshooter contest but it is still a win-win situation for all of us. Who knows how many shooters will be drawn to this site strictly because of the contest news categories but if they do come so does a great wealth of knowledge and experience for this community. Hopefully, they will stick around long enough to take part and offer their experiences to the site.

I understand fully how some would want the contest to be strictly sports based. However, I also realize that the majority of us really shoot news and sports on a daily basis for our employers and opening up a small window to allow members to showcase our entire work is just another way sportsshooter.com is growing without compromising the foundation of what this site and Sportsshooter is all about.

jg
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Delane B. Rouse, Photographer
Philadelphia | PA | US | Posted: 2:39 PM on 01.23.03
->> My goals in life are:

1. Become the SportsShooter.com "Photographer of the Year"
2. Meet, date, and marry a really H-O-T- chick from Brazil, preferably a model
3. Meet Grover (but don't date or marry him!!!)

Initially I didn't lile the news feature catagories, but I don't own this web site either. So you guys (bert, grover, jason, brad, etc) make the call.

Delane "I love sportsShooter.com" Rouse

Good job on setting up the clip contest!
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Thomas E. Witte, Photographer
Cincinnati | OH | USA | Posted: 3:41 PM on 01.23.03
->> In the now appropriate words of my girlfriend (referring to me going absolutely nuts over yesterdays Manchester United game),

"There is more to life than just sports"

Considering that maybe only 5% of the SS members shoot ONLY sports, wouldn't it seem appropriate that there are categories pertaining to the rest of the stuff that we shoot on a day to day basis?

Don't pigeon hole yourselves.
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Jeff Frings, Photographer
Milwaukee | WI | USA | Posted: 4:00 PM on 01.23.03
->> As a guy who shoots not only news most of the time, but news with a video camera most of the time, I appreciate the idea of trying to "welcome" all different types of photogs and attitudes. Before I joined the website, I complained a little to bert about the term tv camera pointer, (not all tv pj's are tv camera pointers), and the point I made then seems to apply here, although I hope this doesn't sound like a complaint. I think the more photogs on the site the better and the more diverse their backgrounds the better. I think the full time sports pj can learn something from the guy who shoots mostly news, and vise versa, and I also think the guy who shoots mostly video,but loves to shoot stills, (both sports and news) can learn something from the full time still shooters, be they sports or news, and vise versa. I guess since another recent thread asked about quotes, now would be a good time for one we all know. "can't we all just get along" --Rodney King
The site is great, its fun and a great resource. Keep up the good work, and if some people don't like the news categories, they can just look at the sports.
Jeff
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Jean Finley, Student/Intern
Iowa City | IA | USA | Posted: 4:07 PM on 01.23.03
->> There is more to an athlete than just the game he/she plays. Isn't that part of what we attempt to capture? Not just the motion, but also the e-motion? I can remember when you couldn't call an image 'sports' unless it was high action - that millisecond frozen on film. Most feel differently now.

I'm very glad that sportsshooter.com is here as a resource. I'm happy that I'm not shunned because I don't get credentialed into the big events. And, while I shoot sports whenever, wherever I can, I'm happy that this site supports the connection between ALL shooters.

I looked on this site for a 'mission' or an 'about us' link. Here's what it says :
"SportsShooter.com is an online community and resource for sports photographers and other working photojournalists."

The categories chosen for the monthly contest:
1. support the mission.
2. bring more photojournalists into the sportsshooter family.
3. acknowledge the fact that many learn, grow, and network for the benefit of sports by shooting other topics.

I'm a newbie, and as such, should probably have just zipped my lip. But it's a big world and I want to experience as much of it as I can. This site helps me do that. :)
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Phillip Abbott, Photographer
Lenexa | KS | USA | Posted: 4:33 PM on 01.23.03
->> Jean Finley For President!!!

...and Delane for Veep!
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Rick Stewart, Photographer
Canandaigua | NY | | Posted: 5:31 PM on 01.23.03
->> You guys are a little sensitive!!!!! My comments were my opinion, my suggestion, about the content of the CLIP CONTEST. You guys have done a phenominal job producing this site...and helping to fill a void for ALL Photographers. However, this whole site is based on photographers giving their opinions, suggestions,...INPUT to others, hopefully for the betterment of all.

Jason, I'm sorry you have taken ONE SUGGESTION as a personal affront to your efforts. You guys run the site, and as I said, DO A GREAT JOB. Nobody's challenging you code-writin manhood. But I don't think that means we can't give some input on our ideas as well. You guys are always looking for input and now you're telling us to "Chill". If giving you on F--kin opinion is now considered nit picking...so be it. Ignore it!

This site has and will continue to void that existed for ALL PHOTOGRAPHERS. It is a fantastic use of the web. However, it's not much good without the input of it's members, good...bad.. or indifferent. Just try to take the SUGGESTION in the vein it was intended...ONE members opinion on the CLIP CONTEST, thats it!


Rick
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Delane B. Rouse, Photographer
Philadelphia | PA | US | Posted: 5:51 PM on 01.23.03
->> sweet...a woman president and a black vice president!
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Grover Sanschagrin, Photo Editor, Photographer
Albany | CA | USA | Posted: 5:59 PM on 01.23.03
->> Rick... we DO love suggestions. We're just expressing our opinions right back at ya'.

By the way -- the non-sports stuff in the clip contest was put there based on member suggestions. Many member suggestions.

Also - newspaper staff photographers who don't consider themselves 'sports photographers' spend a lot of time on this site, yet they aren't members. Yet. Why? Because they're more than just sports, even though many of them spend 3-days out of the working week shooting sports.

The newspaper shooters I've talked to ALL told me that if we added non-sports categories to the clip contest, they would join the site. Most even told us that this would be enough of a reason for their newspaper to pay for their SportsShooter.com membership.

So don't think we don't take suggestions. We do.
We also take an occasional 'F--kin opinion' too.

-- Grover
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Richard Baillie, Photographer
Revere | MA | USA | Posted: 6:01 PM on 01.23.03
->> Delane, A hot Brazilian Chick!! Now There's a goal !!!!!!
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Dirk Dewachter, Student/Intern
Playa Del Rey | CA | USA | Posted: 7:11 PM on 01.23.03
->> This is America Goddammit! First amendment right! Freedom of speech, freedom of the press, freedom of the kind of girl you want to get/do/marry/date/photograph/whatever and I shall enforce it
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Richard Walker, Photographer
Honolulu | HI | USA | Posted: 8:09 PM on 01.23.03
->> Not to whip a tired horse, but I'm a newspaper photog and with seven other shooters on the staff, sports doesn't always show up on my assignments. In fact I've only gotten one or two in the last month (I work the desk most nights when b-ball and v-ball are happening). So by SS adding news and feature clips it allows us regular photogs a chance to enter stuff. I also dig how the shots need not have been published. A lot of the stuff I shoot for the paper never sees the light of day (either no space, or it's 'too weird'). This site is stellar. Keep up the good work!
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Dave Amorde, Photographer
Lake Forest | CA | USA | Posted: 8:30 PM on 01.23.03
->> My two cents (with change): The reality that most members aren't exclusive sports shooters is certainly something that should be recognized, accommodated, and even taken advantage of whenever possible. However, the bandwidth drain that video clips create here (witness Grover's clips) suggests that perhaps the video clip contest might be a prudent exception.
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Michael McNamara, Photographer
Columbia | MO | USA | Posted: 11:03 PM on 01.23.03
->> So half the contest is Sports. And half of it is the other stuff we shoot anyway. If half of my assignments were sports, I'd kiss my editor. No Grover, won't kiss you, not even your bald head. News and feature are a part of the job, and not including them in the contest would be neglecting the majority of things we shoot. This shouldn't be a niche contest.

Dirk, you frighten me.
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Rod Mar, Photographer
Seattle | WA | USA | Posted: 1:08 AM on 01.24.03
->> what jack said.
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Dianna Russell, Student/Intern, Photographer
Springfield | MO | USA | Posted: 5:22 AM on 01.24.03
->> Unfortunately, when I graduate I probably won't be shooting as many sporting events as I'd like because the student staff job at SMS will end. Most of my sports assignments come from there. :o(

It's nice to know that I won't be excluded from here too.

D.

Oh, is there a 12 step program for my sports shooting addiction? :oP
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David Richard, Photographer
Lorain/Cleveland | OH | USA | Posted: 6:07 AM on 01.24.03
->> I'm going against the grain and entering all my sports work at "featureshooters.com". Hoping for a good obit mug to enter somewhere too!
I started reading the newsletters because they were sports oriented. Seems like things have "loosened" up a bit once the cash started flowing. Looks like a numbers game to me.
Ooh .. gotta run .... fire tones just went off ......
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Brad Mangin, Photographer
Pleasanton | CA | USA | Posted: 3:37 PM on 01.24.03
->> David,

Our Sports Shooter newsletter published and edited by Robert Hanashiro has always been about more than just sports. Here are just a few of the many wnderful stories we have published over the years that have helped photographers all over:

Camera review by Bob Deutsch on the Canon EOS-3 way back in issue 2.1 in 1998:
http://www.sportsshooter.com/news_story.html?id=103

Travel tips by Captain Ron on 2-way radios in issue 4.1:
http://www.sportsshooter.com/news_story.html?id=113

Article about steakhouses from issue #4 in 1998:
http://www.sportsshooter.com/news_story.html?id=56

More travel tips from Captain Ron on where to sit on an airplane:
http://www.sportsshooter.com/news_story.html?id=211

The debut of The Count on Cigars in issue #13:
http://www.sportsshooter.com/news_story.html?id=218

The debut of Rick Rickman's FANTASTIC and unequaled series of columns about business in issue #14:
http://www.sportsshooter.com/news_story.html?id=229

Peter Read Miller checks in from PMA in issue #17 to talk about the Canon EOS 1V:
http://www.sportsshooter.com/news_story.html?id=283

Rod Mar writes about mixing family with work in issue #19:
http://www.sportsshooter.com/news_story.html?id=310

Jim McNay talks about bullfighting in Spain in issue #22:
http://www.sportsshooter.com/news_story.html?id=355

Road Warrior: Mongo Sneaks Past Security at the Democratic National Convention in issue #23:
http://www.sportsshooter.com/news_story.html?id=373

Vincent Laforet reviews the Lightware Digital Backpak in issue #24:
http://www.sportsshooter.com/news_story.html?id=394

Vincent Laforet is back in issue #26 to write about the Florida election mess:
http://www.sportsshooter.com/news_story.html?id=424

Rod Mar writes about the Seattle newspaper strike in issue #26:
http://www.sportsshooter.com/news_story.html?id=420

Mark Yamamoto writes about Genuine Fractals in issue #30:
http://www.sportsshooter.com/news_story.html?id=499

The Event That Changed My Life by Mickey Pfleger in issue #31:
http://www.sportsshooter.com/news_story.html?id=507

Trent Nelson on wireless transmission in issue #34:
http://www.sportsshooter.com/news_story.html?id=540

"I was never so frightened in my life." by Martha Jenkins after 9/11 in issue #35:
http://www.sportsshooter.com/news_story.html?id=557

Vincent Laforet in Pakistan after 9/11 in issue #36:
http://www.sportsshooter.com/news_story.html?id=568

The debut of The Pizza Guys in issue #45:
http://www.sportsshooter.com/news_story.html?id=731

It's Not a Diet, It's a Way of Life by Dean Coppola in issue #47:
http://www.sportsshooter.com/news_story.html?id=778

Myung J. Chun of the Los Angeles Times covers the California governor's race in issue #49:
http://www.sportsshooter.com/news_story.html?id=823

These are just a few that could come up with off the top of my head. Enjoy the reading.
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Robert Hanashiro, Photographer
Los Angeles | CA | USA | Posted: 3:49 PM on 01.24.03
->> David Richard ----

It is obvious you speak without knowing what you speak of!

The Sports Shooter Newsletter is totally separate from the .com.

I have produced the newsletter for over 5 years now and the content, tone and scope of my newsletter has changed little in that time. Including that it is FREE to whoever wants to subscribe.

Yes we have evolved, but my rule of thumb has ALWAYS been: If it interests me (and Brad Mangin, Bob Deutsch, Vince Laforet, Peter Read Miller, Joe Gosen, Rick Rickman and a few others) then it must interest my readers.

The Sports Shooter Newsletter was started to keep photographers informed and entertained ... and the name was derived because that was what I was known for ... sports photography...hence the title Sports Shooter.

I am sorry you can't appreciated all of the hard work that the many volunteer writers give you each month and you're not happy that Grover, Jason and Brad have decided to include a couple of non-sports categories to make the Monthly Clip Contest accessible to more photographers out there.

If you think that things have "loosed up once the cash started flowing" then you can come by my house and help me do some painting and re-plumbing and help scrape funds together for my daughter's college tuition.

Now that I think about it...you definitely do not know of what you speak!

Jason, Grover and Brad have spent THOUSANDS of hours putting this site together ... I think I did the math one day and using a formula based on an average Internet salary, the "flowing cash" these guys have made has come to about .45 an hour.

Jason and Grover have done a lot of things to make the site and the system faster ... like a new, faster hard drive so the video features run a little better. All of that expense has come out of the "flowing cash" you made reference to. (In other words...it cam out of their pockets!)

It is irresponsible comments like yours that gets my goat ... and as I say above, reenforces that stigma I have been trying to dispel that we photographer just like to bitch & moan.

Please just appreciate what we have been giving you with both the monthly newsletter and the .com ...

Bert "The Big Kahuna"
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Doug Giese, Photographer
Rancho Santa Fe | CA | USA | Posted: 1:06 AM on 01.25.03
->> It's perhaps a little off-topic for this thread, but I'd like to thank the people who created and maintain this web site. It's one of the easiest to navigate, has probably the best threaded discussion board, is informative while keeping a light tone, and is one of the most spam-free sites I've used. It's "signal to noise" ratio is very high, and I really appreciate your continued efforts.

Thanks!
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Dirk Dewachter, Student/Intern
Playa Del Rey | CA | USA | Posted: 12:12 PM on 01.25.03
->> So Bert does this mean I can submit the pictures I take at crime scenes into the News category?

If you would see the range subjects that is being photographed by members of sportsshooter.com you probably would be amazed. I appreciate the work of Bert and the SS-staff that make this website happen. By trade I am a detective and do the crime scene photography for my agency. I shoot sports, portraiture and other subjects for (1) fun, (2) to keeps me out of trouble and (3) because it is more aestethic and less gruesome to look at. I have an interest in other subjects and I come here to learn from people that are willing to share their experiences and thankfully they do. Thanks Bert and the crew!!
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David Rabian, Photographer
Wilmington | DE | USA | Posted: 12:24 PM on 01.25.03
->> The Clip Contest is going to be a kick-ass feature. The fact that all members can participate whether it be an entry or a judgement is just fantastic.

I think this place gets a little more interesting every week, but the contest is going to really kick the fun up.
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M. David Leeds, Photographer
New York | NY | USA | Posted: 1:55 PM on 01.25.03
->> I think that having news and feature categories in the contest is potentially interesting and will allow: a) more entrants, and b) exposure to/of a lot of great work. However, I wonder if the entries in those categories should be given fewer (perhaps no) points towards the "SPORTS Shooter Photographer of the Year" award... ?

I think that there are a lot of valid points to be made on both sides of this discussion - I think that Brad, Bert, Grover, and Jason (in alphabetical order) have all done a tremendous job in creating first the newsletter and then this site - and I don't have a problem with this site being both welcoming and accessible to non-sports photographers. I think that everybody can benefit from the forum of these resources - whether seeking information or sharing it. However, I think that some thought should be given to the possibility that many of the members here do not cover sports full-time and there is a pretty good chance that the people who shoot news - or work for newspapers covering all of the categories have a much better chance of winning the POY contest with monthly entries in all four categories... it's a matter of how many categories you qualify for and are therefore are able to earn points within.

I am not complaining here - I don't think anybody has a right to complain about this site - I'm just pointing out a possible point of contension.

My predictions:
•Bucs 14 Raiders 6 at halftime
•Bucs 21 Raiders 28 final score
•The ads are better than the game
•The first annual "SPORTS Shooter Photographer of the Year" won as the result of incredible coverage of the war about to be brought to you by the illiterate resident of the White House... in the words of the one and only Bugs Bunny - "What a maroon!"

Let's just hope the game tomorrow is a contest - we don't want another Super Bore.

Thanks for your support.

M. David Leeds
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Howard Curtis Smith, Photographer
Baldwin | NY | USA | Posted: 1:57 PM on 01.25.03
->> Dirk,

I guess the only rule of thumb is not to submit anything you would not want someone's child to look at. While that answer is a moving target depending on who you ask, it definatly leaves out much of the gore that you come accross on an almost daily basis.
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Douglas Tesner, Photographer, Photo Editor
Gallup | NM | USA | Posted: 2:13 PM on 01.25.03
->> I would just like to thank the staff for including everyone in the clip contest. I am a newspaper photojournalist and only about 20% of my work is sports. Might I suggest that a Prep Sports category be added for those who do not have the opportunity to photograph Pro or collage events.
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David A. Cantor, Photo Editor, Photographer
Toledo | OH | USA | Posted: 6:59 PM on 01.25.03
->> Michael McNamara wrote:"If half of my assignments were sports, I'd kiss my editor. "

NO.....NO....NO.... Don't kiss editors anywhere, anytime!

And remember troops, you can't spell assignment editor without "a-s-s".....
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Michael McNamara, Photographer
Columbia | MO | USA | Posted: 11:12 PM on 01.25.03
->> David---Sorry to conjure up ugly images. There isn't a possibility of having to kiss him anytime soon.
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Dan Powers, Photographer
Appleton | WI | USA | Posted: 11:06 PM on 01.26.03
->> This is getting old. If you like the idea of the clip contest, have fun and enter...this is supposed to be fun...remember? If you don't like the layout, shut the #$%! up and don't enter. These guys put a lot of personal time into creating this site. If you don't appreciate it, move on. Good night...Dan.
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Grover Sanschagrin, Photographer
Albany | CA | USA | Posted: 1:20 AM on 02.01.03
->> It is now February 1. Start your engines.

It's live!

-- Grover
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Aaron M. Sprecher, Student/Intern
Fort Collins | CO | USA | Posted: 3:08 PM on 02.03.03
->> Are we supposed to enter pictures from January 2003 or February 2003 for this months monthly clip contest? Any information on this would be very helpful and appreciated.

-Aaron M. Sprecher
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Grover Sanschagrin, Photographer
Albany | CA | USA | Posted: 3:18 PM on 02.03.03
->> January, 2003. "January, 2003" can be found 4 times on the entry page. Let me know if you can't see it.
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Brad Mangin, Photographer
Pleasanton | CA | USA | Posted: 3:19 PM on 02.03.03
->> Aaron,

Our clip contest operates like most other monthly contests- you enter pictures from the previous month once the month is over...so...that means you are entering pictures you shot in JANUARY.

For this question and EVERY OTHER question you might have please go to the very extensive FAQ that Grover and Jason put together:

http://www.sportsshooter.com/contest/clip/faq_clip.html

For example:

2. Do my images need to be published?

No. They just need to be shot during the previous month. For example: during the first 2 weeks of February 2003, you can only enter images that were shot during the month of January 2003. In this example, any photo taken in January 2003 is eligible.

Good luck and have fun!
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Robert Deutsch, Photographer
NY | NY | USA | Posted: 9:23 PM on 02.03.03
->> Brad:
I shot this really cool photo yesterday, Feb 2nd, but I had the idea last week, so can I enter it in the Jan,2003 clip contest???
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Michael J. Treola, Photographer
Neptune | NJ | USA | Posted: 9:42 PM on 02.03.03
->> That's really funny Bob!
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Robert Hanashiro, Photographer
Los Angeles | CA | USA | Posted: 11:34 PM on 02.03.03
->> Grover, Brad, Bob, Michael ---

I shot something in January 2002. Can I enter it in the Feb. 2003 Monthly Clip Contest?

How about the 2004 Annual Sports Shooter Contest?

Or maybe the 1989 Pulitzers?

Honestly folks:
R.T.F.M. !!!!

'Nuf said!

Bert "The Big Kahuna"
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Thomas E. Witte, Photographer
Cincinnati | OH | USA | Posted: 12:11 AM on 02.04.03
->> This thread did wonders proving my theory that photographers rarely read much... Their own newspapers, the back of their credentials, contracts, RULES...

Bert, they're having a cigar sale at one of my favorite shops next week to get rid of inventory... Need anything?
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