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To D2h owners
Rob Dicker, Photographer
Round Lake Beach | IL | USA | Posted: 9:10 AM on 04.13.04
->> As a D2h owner I need to know this: If you own or use a D2h, are you satisfied with it? If you are not, what do you think Nikon should do about it? No flames please, this is a serious question. Thanks
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Mike Morones, Photographer
Fredericksburg | VA | USA | Posted: 9:55 AM on 04.13.04
->> So far I am fairly satisfied with it, at least as far as news and sports work go. It's been a matter of forgetting how the D1H works and relearning so of the quirks of the D2H. I haven't had too much of a problem with noise, it just needs to be spot on as far as metering goes. The only time I really don't like using it is when I have to do any sort of studio or portrait situations where I want to sync my lights beyond 1/250th. I'm still figuring out some of those little quirks. Hope it helps!
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Robert Longhitano, Photographer
North Wales | PA | USA | Posted: 9:58 AM on 04.13.04
->> Personally I love it, feature wise it's far better than the D1H. The battery, larger preview screen, RAW+JPG, the ability to dial in Kelvin temps and the WiFi options are reasons enough to upgrade. The sensor on the other hand is a little different than the D1H. In my own experiences underexposing with this camera will yield allot of "noise" in the shadow area (this should be no surprise) but it you nail the exposure it creates a VERY nice file, even at 1600.

Just my 2 cents.
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Larry W. Smith, Photographer
Valley Center | KS | USA | Posted: 9:59 AM on 04.13.04
->> Rob by you asking this question I am assuming you are not satisfied with yours. I on the other hand am very satisfied with mine I have shot in many different lighting situations and I like the resolts I get. Not every picture looks good but that isn't the cameras fault it's the operaters fault on most accasions. There are things I wish was different about it but I don't think anything is ever made to satisfy every user. This camera fits me perfect for my daily shooting light weight, great battery, fast, durable, easy to operate and good files out of it for daily shooting and transmitting. Those are just my thoughts on this camera.

Larry
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Rob Dicker, Photographer
Round Lake Beach | IL | USA | Posted: 10:03 AM on 04.13.04
->> My concerns are with noise and image shapness. Two things that should have been tops on the list when Nikon designed it. I'm am trying to find out how others view their results.
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Robert Longhitano, Photographer
North Wales | PA | USA | Posted: 10:30 AM on 04.13.04
->> "Image sharpness" Is this something your havening a problem with? I don't know about anyone else, I use all Nikon glass and image sharpness has never been an issue or a problem.

I should of added this to my original post about the noise. To me a file from a properly exposed photo at 1600 has a similar grain quality of high speed neg film.
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Michael Hickey, Photographer
Muncie | IN | USA | Posted: 10:37 AM on 04.13.04
->> Maybe it's just me but NOTHING looks sharp on the LCD and I'm always freaking out wondering what I'm doing wrong but when I download their fine, it gets me very nervous
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Chris Lekhavanija, Photographer, Photo Editor
Silver Spring | MD | USA | Posted: 10:51 AM on 04.13.04
->> Off the cameras with image sharpness set at normal, the images from my D2H are sharper than from my D1X.
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Jan Langsner, Photographer
Lloydminster | AB | Canada | Posted: 11:07 AM on 04.13.04
->> So far I have used my D2H almost exclusively in a very poorly lit hockey arena. I've been shooting at iso 800 2.8 at 200. (It's the best I can do in that building) Everyone of my images is about a half to two thirds stop underexposed, but they clean up just fine using a batch command.

AND... I have recently found out that my D2H has an earlier version of the firmware, one that was never supposed to hit the streets. Nikon has told me to take it in for an update. Once I have a chance to do that, if the results are even better than what I have been getting, I will be ecstatic with this camera.
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Denny Medley, Photographer
Kansas City | MO | USA | Posted: 11:27 AM on 04.13.04
->> I absolutely LOVE my D2H. My D100 has been pretty much relegated to 'backup' status now, although I do use it some for portrature work, mainly due to the 6.1mp filesize. But, I've done 13x19 enlargements from the D2H, and they are tack sharp. The 8fps, RAW+JPG, low-light focusing ability, and improved saturation on the sensor is incredible. Plus, the ergonomics of how it 'feels' in your hands are great. I've also not experienced the rubber coming off of the card door as some others on this board have mentioned.
While I did go through 2 previous D2Hs to get the good one I now have (the first had a mechanical failure that shut down the AF, the 2nd was an internal computer 'glitch' that produced "error" after the first shot, then cleared), I think this is an incredible camera. I'll soon be doing some 16x20 enlargements (maybe larger), so we'll see how those look. But for 13x19 and smaller, it produces an incredible print.
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T.J. Hamilton, Photographer
Grand Rapids | MI | USA | Posted: 11:46 AM on 04.13.04
->> I'm not that personally happy with my D2H, since I got it I have tried every sharpening setting and none seems to be as good using my D1H, I do like the kelvin settings and the raw+jpg custom functions. The LCD window is another issue....nothing looks very sharp there at all, but the photos are marginally better on my computer. I use all Nikon AF-S lenses so that's not an issue. Maybe I got a lemon, I might have to send it in.....
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Rob Dicker, Photographer
Round Lake Beach | IL | USA | Posted: 11:50 AM on 04.13.04
->> I love the features of my D2h. I shoot all Nikon glass and also shoot with a D1h and a D100. If I'm shooting the D1h and D2h side by side the D1h smokes it for actualy image sharpness, however the D2h wins for speed and features hands down. I am not judging things on the LCD, but on the monitor back at the office. Can anyone share with me a cropped frame of theirs? I'd love to look at somebody else's work in progress.
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Steve Apps, Photographer
Madison | WI | USA | Posted: 12:03 PM on 04.13.04
->> I try not to blame a camera for any problems I may have shooting, but I'm just not happy with the autofocus on the D2H. It could be Packer games or high school basketball, if the subject is moving the camera has problems. The focus jumps then come back. I have a number of examples including a receiver diving up and over a defensive player and every frame is sharp except the best frame in the middle. I would like to say that this doesn't happen that often, but I have been disappointed so many times I thinking of switching to Canon. I have been talking to Nikon, and shown them examples. They agree that something is wrong. They now say it is probably a firmware problem. I don't know what to believe.
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Denny Medley, Photographer
Kansas City | MO | USA | Posted: 1:01 PM on 04.13.04
->> Steve,
I think Nikon may be right - it could be a firmware problem. The AF on mine is incredible - stays sharp, and will follow the action. What is your normal mode- group, single, etc.? Just curious.
I also agree with TJ in that nothing looks sharp on the huge LCD, but when bringing them into the pc, they're great.
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T.J. Hamilton, Photographer
Grand Rapids | MI | USA | Posted: 1:10 PM on 04.13.04
->> I agree with Steve on the autofocus and tracking issues, I have the same problem regardless of which autofocus mode I'm in. When it comes down to which camera to grab when focus sharpness, tracking and quickness....my D1H wins hands down. Unfortunately I can't switch to canon cause' the nikons are what we are using at work. If it truly is a firmware issue, sign me up!
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Jeffrey Racette, Photographer, Assistant
Montreal | Qc. | Canada | Posted: 1:26 PM on 04.13.04
->> I LIKE IT!!! Easy to use and much better in the iTTL flash department. I think ALL the talk about it is just talk....it will have a FIRMWARE up date as all of the other Nikon and Canon DIGITAL cameras have had over the years. Hey, once you know how the camera acts...then you can act with it. I think it is their BEST DIGITAL since the F5 ( yes, since the F5 ) NICE LCD even if it is too brite, better to brite then to dark. It is just a another camera. I am so happy with it I have two!!! Nothing is perfect..get use to it
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Noah Bryant, Photographer, Photo Editor
Golden | CO | usa | Posted: 2:25 PM on 04.13.04
->> Evereything about mines is incredible...I love it
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Chuck Liddy, Photographer
Durham | NC | USA | Posted: 3:08 PM on 04.13.04
->> love it....
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Chuck Liddy, Photographer
Durham | NC | USA | Posted: 3:09 PM on 04.13.04
->> forgot...see photo at left
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Adrian Lam, Photographer
victoria | BC | Canada | Posted: 3:36 PM on 04.13.04
->> Rob,
I do love the D2H, but I am fed up with the noise at high ISO. I feel for you Chuck. I have a photo similar to yours, and the photo was riddled with noise.
Other than the noise I love the camera and the features. When is Nikon coming out with FIrmware for the D2H? I talked to some of the techs at Camera Bits and they suggested bumping the shparness up in the camera to help reduce the noise, still trying it out.....
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Rob Bonow, Student/Intern, Photographer
Glencoe | IL | USA | Posted: 3:54 PM on 04.13.04
->> Adrian, bumping sharpness up in the camera will worsen the noise. You will probably have better results with in-camera sharpening turned off. That has been my experience with other bodies.
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Adrian Lam, Photographer
victoria | BC | Canada | Posted: 4:05 PM on 04.13.04
->> Rob,
It makes sense, I sent a photo to camera bits - the basketball player similar to Chuck's photo had yellow throughout the face and arms. That was just the suggestion I was given by the tech at Camera Bits. He noted that it was technique that worked for the D2H, I am still tyring it out!
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George Green, Photographer
Lexington | KY | USA | Posted: 4:12 PM on 04.13.04
->> I have had my D2H for a couple of months now. I love mine.
The autofocus is fast and stays dead on. So far, so good.
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Wes Hope, Photographer
Maryville | TN | USA | Posted: 4:16 PM on 04.13.04
->> Coming from film, I absolutely adore my D2h. I can't compare it to other digital cameras. The "noise" level at 1600 sure the heck beats 1600 neg film. And when I shoot correctly, the D2 gives me tack sharp images.

My pros: 8 FPS, buffer, autofocus, metering, auto-white balance, Raw+jpg, memo recording, everlasting battery, solid construction, LCD zoom

My cons: LCD brightness, LCD inaccuracy for WB checking (I want WSIWYG), no low ISO, tendency of the monitor cover to disappear, the dreaded Nikon rubber!

The only problem I have with my current Nikon setup is the SB-800. It's really hit or miss for me. Sometimes things look dead on and sometimes they don't (mainly when using rear-sync and trying to balance the light. I've always been a rear-syncer in the film world). But that's just me and hopefully I'll get it figured out soon.
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Nathan Pier, Student/Intern, Photographer
Madison | WI | USA | Posted: 5:02 PM on 04.13.04
->> I am happy with mine. Focus, sharpness and color saturation are certainly improved over my D1H. While the LCD is a real drag as far as accuracy of color and sharpness go, I think it is a small cross to bear when compared to the advantages it brings over the D1 series of cameras and still whips the yolks out of my F100 as far as workflow convenience goes.

Where I feel the D2H really shines (and I guess this should come as no big suprise): After shooting 99% indoors since I got it, I am really pleased with the look it produces outdoors and not with lens set at maximum aperature (duh). I recently did an outdoor portrait with it shooting tiff files 1/250 sec f/16 with a big honkin softbox to ballance natural backlight and was moved to tears at how good the images came out looking from the lab. Just as good as any 35mm film I had ever shot and then printed to 16x20", not to mention the extra control I have over the image before it gets printed.
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Mike Leakey, Photographer
Indianapolis | IN | USA | Posted: 5:37 PM on 04.13.04
->> I think Nathan brings up a good point. I think introducing the camera in late fall just as everyone was moving indoors for the winter created a lot of bad press about noise and mixed light results. If the camera had been released last April everyone would have raved about it.

I was not at all impressed with early results shooting hockey with available light. As stated many times before, the D2H is not very forgiving to improper exposure or white balance. However, when you get it right the results are super.

Other nits:
- The size of the "AF-ON" button on the vertical grip. I just can't get my thumb in there to operate it.

- LCD cover fogs up when cold. I hope the buttons on the rear left are sealed good because I get a lot of condensation built up around them.

Otherwise, I'm liking it more and more each day.
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Gerald H. Ling, Photographer
Amherst | MA | USA | Posted: 5:48 PM on 04.13.04
->> Jumping in on pro's of the camera. Totally happy with it and sold my D1H to get a second D2H.

Noise is there as some others pointed out but if exposed correctly, no issue at all (In my opinion that is) - looks more like film grain. I just shot a whole hockey tourney and had prints made up to 16X20 at ISO 1600 with no problems (using RAW files). Am really happy with it (couldn't you guess?) When in doubt, I go to a higher ISO rather then trying to "squeeze" the exposure. Am no longer afraid to use high ISO's with this camera.
I gave up Capture 4.1 (too slow for my aging powerbook and workflow, though it has nicer colors) and am using ACR for PS CS and like the results. The new algorithm for interpolating images in ACR and the bicubic smoother is great. (I know this is off topic but hey... thought I'd throw it in anyways)

The JPEG+RAW helps a lot. Found that if I shot with contrast and sharpening set to normal (was low and none before), the LCD was more accurate. The JPEGS get tagged with the settings and the images show up better (sharp when in focus) on the LCD and I get freedom in the RAW files. The LCD does have a tendency to display images with a bluish cast but I have got used to it and compensated my WB settings when judging based on the LCD image.

Images are as sharp as my D1H if not better when in focus. The AF module is fast and in some cases too jumpy/responsive and may result in out-of-focus images due to 'sudden hunting'. That is mainly the case when I use only the center focus point. Have never liked any of the other focus gizmo's and what not but have learned to use them sometimes when a single point is a little too finicky. Dynamic helps sometimes when you don't need to the focus to track every single change in motion and group erm... I guess I still have to try that out more. But when accuracy is needed in tight situations, the single is really responsive.

White balance rocks (both preset and manual Kelvin settings). Auto works wonders in fluorescent environments.

Lot's more cool stuff but it's not that relevant and I think I should stop now. Got to drop that D1H workflow and mentality and start over with this camera. Then you'll be surprise at what you can get from it.
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Mark Bialek, Photographer
Kalamazoo | MI | United States | Posted: 6:39 PM on 04.13.04
->> D2H....

First off... Don't trust the LCD. Second, remember, this is essentially a computer and not a completely mechanical piece of equipment. New problems arise, like the error message when you turn the camera on (which I get). Sharpness? Get used to the fact that it'll never be perfect. AF is not perfect.

Canon looks brighter in many ways. But it's still just a tool. Become a member of NPS and expect the camera to crash from time to time.
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Peter R. Barber, Photographer
Schenectady | NY | USA | Posted: 9:50 AM on 11.02.07
->> Three lenses broke with the same problem in less than a month. The aperature lever on the back of the lenses either broke or became loose or tightened up. I thought the problem was misuse or impact damage. When I took my D2H into the repair shop to have the CCD filter cleaned, the guy told me that the depth of field lever inside the camera that catches the lever on the back of the lens was bent so bad that THAT was the cause of the lens problems. The repair to my personal 70-200 was $526. I am wondering if this has happened to anyone else, and if this is a common problem. Please respond. Thanks.

Peter R. Barber
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Chuck Liddy, Photographer
Durham | NC | USA | Posted: 12:31 PM on 11.02.07
->> that (bending the depth of field lever) usually happens when you are not careful attaching the lens to the camera and put it on wrong. it only takes a couple of times doing that before the pin starts to bend
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Mark D Murphy, Photographer
Blue Point | NY | USA | Posted: 6:20 PM on 11.02.07
->> Ive had great luck with three D2H bodies Ive owned. Shoot uncompressed RAW most of the time and the results are good. AF is real fast and 8 fps works for me. One was in for the meter problem at 50k clicks. Nikon in Melville turned it around before the loaner was received (48 hrs.)

Now I have a D2X and one D2H which I will keep. Still makes great images in RAW. I will keep it even when the D3 comes in.

Properly exposed, the noise is not bad at 1200 and under.

No complaints.

MDM
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Michael Muszynski, Photographer, Student/Intern
Chicago | IL | USA | Posted: 6:42 PM on 11.02.07
->> Not to flame or anything, but what caused you guys to resurrect a three year-old thread?
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Chuck Liddy, Photographer
Durham | NC | USA | Posted: 7:32 PM on 11.02.07
->> I replied to peter's question. I too wondered what was going on when I looked at the original date of the thread...it's actually almost obsolete with the impending release of the D3 heh?
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