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Battery Problems? Gillette Field
David Griffin, Photographer
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Concord | NC | USA | Posted: 9:00 PM on 01.10.04 |
| ->> I wonder how many shots anyone will be able to shoot at the Patriots-Titans game before their battery shuts down? 4 degrees is MIGHTY COLD! |
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Robert G. Stevens, Photographer
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Halifax | NS | Canada | Posted: 9:16 PM on 01.10.04 |
->> Take a look at this:
http://www.eos-magazine.com/News_30_EOS1Dtable.html
The EOS 1D only has a working temperature of 0-40 degrees celcius. Zero celcius is only about 32 degrees. I think I was told the flash card is the limiting factor. If you look at the D2000 specs, it was good to -7, but it can use pcmcia hard drives.
http://www.lexarmedia.com/digfilm/cf_specs.html
What is the real world experience with digitals in the cold?
Robert |
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Rick Burnham, Photographer
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Enfield | CT | USA | Posted: 10:29 PM on 01.10.04 |
| ->> I shot a football game it was zero about as month ago with my Nikon D1 and I shot 400 frames, did some major chimping on one battery with a full charge. When I left it was still showing full and I shot a whole hockey game the next day on the same battery. |
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Steven E. Frischling, Photographer
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Amherst | MA | USA | Posted: 2:15 AM on 01.11.04 |
->> I had to swap batteries from my 1D bodies to my pockets, which had four hand warmers in them, about every 4-5 minutes (real minutes, not football minutes).
I shot the first TD from an overhead position, and someother otherhead problems and had a major problem. It looks almost like there was frost on the glass of my TC, the photos were sharp, but had a ghosting to them. The glass and bodies had been outside, so it was not due to the change in temperature, I don't think.
Also, both of my EOS 1D bodies has serious focus issues, which caused me to junk many good photos. I think this had to do with the frozen batteries.
I still can't feel my head. |
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Steven E. Frischling, Photographer
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Amherst | MA | USA | Posted: 2:16 AM on 01.11.04 |
->> PS:
I have a photo of a field level thermometer on zero, so it was colder than 4 :0) |
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Steven E. Frischling, Photographer
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Amherst | MA | USA | Posted: 11:43 AM on 01.11.04 |
->> OK REWRITE........CAN WE GET AN EDIT FEATURE????
It has come to my attention that my post about frozen batteries and EOS 1D bodies makes no sense, and as I reread it I think it makes no sense as well. Since my head has thawed out, and my fingers are only slightly numb, not just frozen logs, I'll take another stab at this.........
I shot the first touch down from an overhead position, and had a major problem, it looks almost like there was frost on the glass of my 1.4x tele-converter. The photos are sharp, but have some sort of ghosting around them, similar to a soft focus lens, which is really irritating. The lenses and bodies were outside long enough to not have had a condensation problem due to the change in temperatures. I intentionally did not attach the 1.4x TC to the 400f2.8 until they had both been outside 15-20 minutes as to avoid fogging.
Both of my EOS 1D bodies had serious focus issues last night, which caused me to have to scrap a number of good images. The AF would lock up, or spin out of focus just as the subject got into the center of the frame. A number of my shots were also a little bit soft, without a tele-converter attached, just soft enough to not be rescued by unsharp mask. I have to assume this is related to the frozen batteries and frozen bodies, as this problem occurred with two different EOS 1D bodies, the 400f2.8, 70-200f2.8 and 28-70f2.8, and hasn't happened in the past.
Has anyone else experienced these problems with the EOS 1D bodies is extremely cold weather? |
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Robert G. Stevens, Photographer
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Halifax | NS | Canada | Posted: 2:10 PM on 01.11.04 |
->> Steve:
It is probably the lens that is the problem. In the cold, the focusing would not be as responsive.
There is a timing factor to when the camera tells the USM to stop moving and the lens actually stops moving. I am sure the cold and stiff lens throws this timing off.
In a normal situation, the camera will tell the lens to stop focusing fractions of a second before it figures it will be in focus to give the lens elements time to stop. When the lens is extemely cold, the friction from the lubricants probably makes the lens elements stop sooner than expected.
Robert |
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David M. Russell, Photographer
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New York | NY | USA | Posted: 4:58 PM on 01.11.04 |
->> Batteries were my biggest problem!
I was quadruple layered. Hand warmers in my mitts, toe warmers in my shoes. No problem.
I wasn't shooting a ton of frames, but the camera worked well -- no focus or lens problems (Nikon D1X, 300 f2.8 AFS). The only effect from the cold I noticed was that the LCD panels that display the settings etc. were moving in slow motion.
But my batteries just couldn't handle the cold. Like Steven, I kept them in a pouch with several hand warmers. But a few minutes in the cold and they just plotzed. Same with the AAs in my film camera. |
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Rhona Wise, Photographer, Photo Editor
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Miami | FL | USA | Posted: 5:24 PM on 01.11.04 |
->> Hi David,
The D2H was NO Problem. I started and finished the game on 1 battery and could probably shoot the AFC Championship game on the same battery. The camera, lenses and batteries performed great.
Cheers,
Rhona |
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David M. Russell, Photographer
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New York | NY | USA | Posted: 7:18 PM on 01.11.04 |
->> Hey Rhona,
While I certianly believe you, I'm mystified by your battery's duration. The science doesn't add up, unless there's something different about your battery or you had it wrapped in something cozy warm. I'm sure the battery technology (NiMH?) must be the same basic chemistry, right? Hmm.
My batteries would spend a few minutes in some pocket warmers and be ready to go again. They didn't need recharging.
Anyway, you posted some great stuff. I'll put some up soon, but I felt like I was on the wrong side of the field all day.
See you next week! |
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Steven E. Frischling, Photographer
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Amherst | MA | USA | Posted: 7:24 PM on 01.11.04 |
->> David:
The bright side is that it can't be any colder next Sunday than it was last night.
If the Patriots go to the Super Bowl I'll end up aggrivated. Two years ago when the Pats went I skipped the Super Bowl (first real opportunity to go) to go to the Olympics, and if they go this year, I just backed out of going to the Super Bowl due to the logistics surrounding two other assignments, which would have left me no time to hang out with my family. I still hope they go, I would however have loved to have seen a Pats v Green Bay game. |
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Gerald H. Ling, Photographer, Student/Intern
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Amherst | MA | USA | Posted: 8:42 PM on 01.11.04 |
->> David,
The D2H uses a different battery technology than the D1 series. The D2 uses lithium ion while the D1 uses NiMh. Lithium ion lasts longer and holds up to cold better than the latter.
Cheers. |
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Ed Betz, Photographer
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Nesconset | NY | USA | Posted: 10:24 PM on 01.11.04 |
| ->> Lithium Ion batteries should be good to -20 below, but, chances are, your fingers, eye balls and nose won't. |
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Rhona Wise, Photographer, Photo Editor
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Miami | FL | USA | Posted: 11:14 PM on 01.11.04 |
->> David, Don't be mystified, "the science" does at up.. you may do a little research before you question someone and may want to start right here on this site:
http://www.sportsshooter.com/news/1088
>>> The battery is absolutely incredible. When I did some brief testing back in September of 2003, I could see that the battery had been improved over the D1 series. So when I got a production model in early November, I decided to do some real world testing. Over a seven-day period, I shot five basketball games, one football game, an MLS Championship soccer game and various tests for a total of 3,577 JPEG images shot on a single charge >>> |
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Mike Strasinger, Photographer
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Nashville | Tn | USA | Posted: 9:26 AM on 01.12.04 |
| ->> My D1H battery failed after about twenty minutes. I shot only with the D2H after that for the duration of the game (about 400 images),and the battery info said it still had 80% left. |
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Steven E. Frischling, Photographer
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Amherst | MA | USA | Posted: 9:35 AM on 01.12.04 |
->> Mike:
There was a photog from the Tennessean who ended up with some sort of frost bite on his fingers during the game. Would you happen to know if he is OK? I don't recall his nae, but I thought he said he had worked in South Dakota for a while, and used a 1D and DCS520 if that helps identify who he is.
His fingers looked pretty bad, and he looked rather uncomfortable following the game. |
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Mike Strasinger, Photographer
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Nashville | Tn | USA | Posted: 9:58 AM on 01.12.04 |
->> He is O.K. ,
Thanks for asking |
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David M. Russell, Photographer
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New York | NY | USA | Posted: 1:51 PM on 01.12.04 |
->> Hey Rhona,
Wasn't questioning you! I'm sorry you interpretted it as such. In fact, the first thing I wrote was that I believed you. Could I have made it more clear?
I was unaware that the D2H used a different type of rechargable -- which I guess was the point of me saying the science didn't add up, kind of wondering what was different. So I'd deduced that the were not NiMH all by myself, and then Gerald kindly informed me that they were, in fact LIon batteries. Still, I must admit a modicum of amazement at the performance of your LIon batteries under such extremes.
Sorry that my lack of preparation and research before making what should've been a harmless comment in an affable, friendly, and even complimentary post may have, in some way, adversely effected your day. |
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