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Archiving Programs
Amy Katherine Dragoo, Photographer
Coatesville | PA | USA | Posted: 8:19 AM on 12.25.03
->> Does anyone have any insights into archiving programs? I have been using FofoStation 4.5, but have just discovered there is a 10,000 image cap and I have hit it.

Does the "Pro" version have the same cap? Does anyone know of a way to increase the cap on the current version? I can't find anything about it in the users guide.

I have the Cumulus 5 version that was bundled with my Nikon, but I can't find a way to search the caption information on the photos, thus making it useless to me. I have searched Canto's site and can't find anything there indicating there is a way to search captions in the complete versions.

Any thoughts or insights would be appreciated.
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Nick Doan, Student/Intern, Photographer
Scottsdale | AZ | USA | Posted: 8:29 AM on 12.25.03
->> Amy,

I've been trying to figure this out myself. I haven't decided on any piece of software yet, but I'll tell you the ones that are leading on my list. I'm PC based, so I'm not sure if all of these programs are available on the Mac platform also.

Extensis Portfolio - www.extensis.com I believe is having a sale until December 31st. The big one that a lot of people use.

iMatch - www.photools.com This is extremely affordable, and the peolpe I know who use it seem to like it, but I haven't yet tested its IPTC search capability nor its ability to span CDs for archiving.

Archive Creator -
http://www.pictureflow.com/ (I believe it might be able from other vendors too) This one does do CD and DVD spanning, but I know nothing about the rest of the software...

At this point, I think I might just go the hard drive route, and buy an external harddrive to have a "hot" backup of all my data. I believe there are chasis available that yuo can swap the drives, so you can have hot and cold backups. Hope this was of some help. If you decide, let me know what you picked, and how much you like it. (I have got to stop dragging my feet on this and just do it.)
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Neal Vaughan, Photographer
St. Joseph | MI | USA | Posted: 11:29 AM on 12.25.03
->> If anyone has information on windows archiving programs please post them as well. My paper sadly has no interest in me archiving all of my shots but I transfer my takes and edit from my windows laptop.
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Amy Katherine Dragoo, Photographer
Coatesville | PA | USA | Posted: 12:35 PM on 12.25.03
->> I should add that it would be great if it supported RAW files too.

Nick- thanks for the info. I will start looking into those.
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Charles Mann, Photographer
Adelphi | MD | USA | Posted: 3:08 PM on 12.25.03
->> Hi Amy,

Extensis Portfolio 6 is both Mac/PC and reads Raw files but you might need the plug-in. Stacey had been playing with it for several months now.

Charlie
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Richard McEnery, Photographer
Sammamish | WA | USA | Posted: 4:25 PM on 12.25.03
->> Amy;

I use both iMatch and Archive Creator. One caveat - both programs are PC only. You didn't mention whether you are a PC or Mac user.

Archive Creator is great for burning CDs & DVDs of sets of images. You can span multiple platters with a set of files and it puts and index of the entire set on each platter. The index is in HTML, so it can be read by either PCs or Macs.

Once I have created by backup set on DVDs in Archive Creator, I load them into iMatch for cataloging. iMatch has a lot of great features for EXIF & IPTC info, as well as multiple categories, which can be hierarchical.
Both programs can be downloaded on a trial basis.

I did an article for the latest issue of PhotoMedia magazine on Digital Asset Management. PhotoMedia is available free at most camera stores. You can also contact the publisher at www.photomediagroup.com.

Hope that helps.
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Tim Williams, Photographer
Evansville | IN | USA | Posted: 4:50 PM on 12.25.03
->> Thumbplus is what I use - it is a Windows based product and handle Raw files in the pro version ($90)

http://www.cerious.com/thumbnails.shtml

It has a fell much like ACDSee if you are familiar with that product. You can have a database of images on a server and several workstations accessing the database or use it on a single computer as I do.
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Amy Katherine Dragoo, Photographer
Coatesville | PA | USA | Posted: 8:08 PM on 12.25.03
->> Thanks all. Glad to know I am not the only one holiday surfing.

I am MAC based, so limiting I know, but it is the platform we use at the office and it is simpler not to have to switch back and forth.
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Michael J. Treola, Photographer
Neptune | NJ | USA | Posted: 9:02 AM on 12.26.03
->> Amy.

Check out the new version of Iview Media Pro.
http://www.iview-multimedia.com/ I use the program to archive EVERYTHING from photos to video clips as well as an endless list of capatible files this program supports.

The new pro version supports 128,000 images per catalog before it hits it's limit. It has also made some major changes in it's slide show program where it's very quickly becoming one of the best slide show makers in the business. You can check out a list of all of the new features of the last release here
http://www.iview-multimedia.com/products/mediapro/profeatures.html

Everyone I know that archives and/or builds slide shows for presentations uses this program. SUPER!
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Michael J. Treola, Photographer
Neptune | NJ | USA | Posted: 9:07 AM on 12.26.03
->> Amy

Iview also support raw files from Nikon and Canon cameras too!

Tree
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Brian Light, Photographer
Pennsville | NJ | USA | Posted: 2:58 AM on 12.27.03
->> I actually have a drive tower with 4 firewire drive bays of which (two are hot swapable) hooked to my Mac that I use to store images on and keep in process and archived video projects on. How good are some of these catalog programs when spanned across drives that appear and disappear from the desktop? I own an old copy of Portfolio that I haven't been using and think about upgrading to the most current version from time to time. I would guess most would support archives to CD (700 megs) and DVD (4.5 gigs) but wasn't sure how some may do with 120 gig hard drives.
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Jock Fistick, Photographer
Brussels | Belgium | | Posted: 9:06 AM on 12.27.03
->> Amy:

I think you will need to upgrade to the the Pro version of Fotostation. The OS9 version is available now and will work in Classic mode if you are running OSX - but unfortunately the naitive OSX version of FS PRO won't ship until May of next year - but in my opinion it is the best photo archiving/browsing program available.
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Jock Fistick, Photographer
Brussels | Belgium | | Posted: 9:12 AM on 12.27.03
->> Amy:

One other thing - if you were to upgrade to the OS9 version of FS Pro 4.5 - you MAY beable to upgrade to version 5 for OSX at a discount - but you should check the fotostation web site for details - www.fotoware.com - or call a U.S. based distributor - you will find a list of distributors on the web site.
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Michael J. Treola, Photographer
Neptune | NJ | USA | Posted: 10:21 AM on 12.27.03
->> Jock,

Upgrading the to the OS X version will not help Amy with her problem of the 10,000 image cap which is the same for the OS X version as it is on OS 9

As great as a program Fotostation is I wouldn't want to have multiple catalogs open to find photos from throughout the year from multiple photographers or me. Having everything you need in one searchable catalog is the most important feature of archiving software.

Iview Media Pro has everything Amy needs from searchable IPTC fields, 128,000 images in a single catalog, customizable thumbnail sizes, slide shows and a long list of great features used by lots of photo professionals on Mac systems. The transition from Fotostation wouldn't be are hard one either.

Tree
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Amy Katherine Dragoo, Photographer
Coatesville | PA | USA | Posted: 1:05 PM on 12.29.03
->> Thanks to everyone who responded.
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Jock Fistick, Photographer
Brussels | Belgium | | Posted: 6:20 PM on 12.29.03
->> Michael:

Fotoware makes two versions of its archiving program - Fotostation and Fotostation Pro. The upgrade I suggested was to move from FS to the pro version. I don't think the 10,000 image limit applies to FS Pro - but I may be wrong.
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Michael J. Treola, Photographer
Neptune | NJ | USA | Posted: 7:00 PM on 12.29.03
->> Jock,

I took a look on the Fotostation website in the support area where they listed a FAQ page for the program. That page said 10,000 images was the limit per catalog. It didn't differentiate between the standard and pro version. It seems to me that if the pro version had more capability it would have said it somewhere in that Q&A but it didn't

Regardless it's a great piece of software except for those who need to archive massive amounts of photos

Happy New Year!

Tree
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Jock Fistick, Photographer
Brussels | Belgium | | Posted: 4:17 PM on 12.30.03
->> Hmmmm.....that's bad news - thanks for digging for the answer and have a happy and safe New Year!!!!
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Amy Katherine Dragoo, Photographer
Coatesville | PA | USA | Posted: 5:39 PM on 12.30.03
->> Michael-

Thank you for finding that information. I missed that on the FAQ page. (I need to start doing just one thing at a time.) I am looking into Extensis. I e-mailed them yesterday asking my specific questions, but have not heard from them yet.

Amy
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Saul Loeb, Student/Intern, Photographer
Tucson | AZ | USA | Posted: 3:31 AM on 12.31.03
->> Amy,

I've been using Extensis and I like it a lot. Granted, I probably have not catalogued nearly the number you plan to, but searches are fast and so far no problems. I decided to go with it after looking into several other (and several much more expensive options). I wanted to it right the first time so that I don't have to do it again. Like I said, so far, so good.

Saul
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Dirk Dewachter, Photographer, Assistant
Playa Del Rey | CA | USA | Posted: 12:22 AM on 03.25.04
->> I download or ingest my memory cards to two directories using Photomechanic. One is on a storage drive and one is on an edit drive. Once they are stored on that storage drive, I wait until I have enough data to burn a few CD's.

I embed the IPTC information on the files at the time I download the images for the first time and I would like to use a cataloging / data base system that will allow me to search for images and refer to a specific CD that contains those images.

Which one of those programs mention in this thread allow to burn to a cd of the catalogs and can identify on what CD the cataloged images are on? I
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Bill Ross, Student/Intern, Assistant
Colorado Springs | CO | USA | Posted: 8:52 AM on 03.25.04
->> I wish I would have seen Iview before I plopped money down for ACDSee.

But... Live and learn.
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Mike Deal, Photographer
Winnipeg | mb | Canada | Posted: 8:59 AM on 03.25.04
->> Dirk,

Extensis Portfolio -
http://www.extensis.com

1. Burn a CD
2. Catalog the CD
3. After you do a search and want to get an image it tells you to put whatever CD the image is on into the drive.

Simple as that.
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Bill Ross, Student/Intern, Assistant
Colorado Springs | CO | USA | Posted: 9:13 AM on 03.25.04
->> Though, after looking closely at IView... I'm a windows person. No WinXP version for IView PRo at this time... Bummer... Thumbsplus looks good though. I have used Thumbsplus before. I shoot RAW (NEF) all the time and if it can't handle NEF files I don't want any part of it. That's why I'm so ashamed of myself for purchasing ACDSee 6.0 I can't get it to handle NEF file format. That just sucks.
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Bill Ross, Photographer, Assistant
Colorado Springs | CO | USA | Posted: 1:12 PM on 05.14.04
->> Iview Medio Pro 2.5 is now available for the Windows people. I downloaded a copy yesterday and I'm playing around with it now. Looks awesome!!!
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