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Tiger's caddie throws camera into lake after incident
Jon Soohoo, Photographer
Los Angeles | CA | USA | Posted: 3:14 AM on 12.02.02
->> Who fired before Tiger hit the ball from the sand trap at the Skins game?
That was a definite no-no(especially with Tiger). Give us your version compared to the fools made of us by the electronic media, on every channel from Indio to Connecticut? You were wrong for firing but are you ready to take action against the caddie that threw your camera in the lake? I am hoping so.
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Tony Donaldson, Photographer
Sherman Oaks | CA | USA | Posted: 4:11 AM on 12.02.02
->> Jeez, that's worse than the reactions of the golfers in Jackass: The Movie when the guys were blowing airhorns just as the golfers were swinging. Tiger needs to get over himself. I guess guys could shoot close with a digital P/S, they make no noise, or run blimped on a Digital or film SLR. Or just not cover the whiner until he gets the idea his poop smells...

For goodness sake, why would a camera shutter clicking throw you off when the real deal is that maybe a million people's eyes are on your every move? If you can live with that, a little click won't do much. Those of you covering him oughtta get out your F2s with MD-2s and let him know what noise is.

I have no tolerence for prima donna attitudes if you can't tell. When I work one-on-one with people or in crowds, I set up rapport early and also make it known that I'm working WITH the athlete, not trying to make their life more complicated.
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Jeff Stanton, Photographer
Tucson | AZ | USA | Posted: 8:32 AM on 12.02.02
->> Basketball players sink free throws with screaming fans waving their arms in the background. Poor Tiger!
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Rich Pilling, Photographer
New York | NY | U.S.A. | Posted: 8:37 AM on 12.02.02
->> Rules are rules folks and the PGA says that still photographers must wait until after the golfer has made his shot before we can begin taking pictures. That sucks. I know the better picture would be of the golfer striking the ball or immediately afterwaqrds, but that's the rules. I'm sure that most of us who have covered enough golf tournaments have had "premature anticipation". I believe like Jon that the photographer was wrong, perhaps just an unintentional mistake. Stuff happens. But to throw a person's camera in the water, that's plain stupid. I like Jon also believe that this shooter must do something about this. Woods' caddy must pay the price to replace the photographers gear. I guess the caddy now feels that he is Tigers' keeper. This guy is the prime example of giving someone a little authority and it going to his head.
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Rich Pilling, Photographer
New York | NY | U.S.A. | Posted: 8:38 AM on 12.02.02
->> Jeff: We all must play by the rules that are set before us.
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Phillip MacCallum, Photographer
Carleton Place | ON | Canada | Posted: 8:47 AM on 12.02.02
->> Maybe I'm a little protective of my photo gear but how did this caddie get his hands on the camera without a black eye and a few broken bones to go with his outrageous and illegal reaction to the whirl of a motor drive?

That being said, I'm with Rich and Jon. Go after this caddie and do it aggressively. Regardless of whether or not the photographer was wrong and shot prematurely this caddie's response is way over the top. He should pay up really quick and pray that he isn't charged with a crime.
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Darren Carroll, Photographer
Cedar Creek (Austin) | TX | USA | Posted: 9:04 AM on 12.02.02
->> Sorry to inject a little common sense here, but perhaps it would be best to wait until we have an understanding of what actually transpired before we start screaming bloody murder? I can't find anything factual about it yet, save for a glancing mention in one paragraph of the AP story from the event.

Tony D.: I encourage you to walk up to Tiger on the first tee at a PGA event and attempt to establish a rapport with him. Steve Williams will be tossing more than your cameras into the lake.

Rich: Right on. Want to fire early? Either stand 100 yards away or buy a blimp. Rules are rules.

Phillip: "This caddie" stands about 6'5, probably weighs 200+ pounds, and works out regularly. If he told you to throw your cameras into the lake yourself, you'd probably wind up doing it.

Look, people screw up all the time at PGA events. Some people don't know any better, and yes, occasionally one of the "regulars" has a big ol' brain fart (myself included). I can't tell you how many times Tiger (and others) get "fired on" prematurely. The reaction is normally a (nasty) comment from the golfer or caddie, and in more egregious cases, pulling of credentials by Tour officials. And that's at "real" Tour events. This was the Skins Game, a "silly season" event.

Either Steve Williams has gone completely off his rocker, or, more likely, I have a feeling that there's more to this particular situation than meets the eye.

Nevertheless, let's wait until we get some facts.
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Jeff Stanton, Photographer
Tucson | AZ | USA | Posted: 11:16 AM on 12.02.02
->> Rich, you're right. I have no problem waiting until the golfer swings or putts. Since golf is not a favorite, along with baseball, pet of the week sounds more intriguing.
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Ed J. Szalajeski, Photographer
Yarmouth | ME | USA | Posted: 11:22 AM on 12.02.02
->> Hmm, well from what I understand no one is above the law. Destruction of property is a crime.

If the rules were violated it should have been brought to the officials attention.

I do not have any patients for people who abuse their power, and break the law.

If the photographer was wrong, pull his credentials.

How many of you would turn over equiptment valued at thousands of dollars for this type of mistake?

No free pass from me for this type of action.
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Robert Beck, Photographer
Carlsbad | CA | USA | Posted: 11:29 AM on 12.02.02
->> Ed...Are you a doctor?
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Kevin P. Tucker, Photographer
Rockland | DE | USA | Posted: 12:45 PM on 12.02.02
->> Jeez Robert...

You're tough...

It must be the return of the "spell-check police"...
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Wally Nell, Photographer
SAN DIEGO (La Mesa) | CA | USA | Posted: 2:04 PM on 12.02.02
->> Well, my 2c. A click of the camera, not even just a motor-drive, would break a golfer's concentration. In basketball, a click would get drowned out, so it is not a problem. But with sports like tennis or golf, where things are quiet, well, depending whether it is the US Open or Wimbledon that is, an athlete builds up a 'tension' or concentration level buildup, that gets released when he hits the ball. When a 'click' happens, it takes away from the 'tension' buildup.
I have had my share of being the 'bad guy' in shooting golf, so I have had to learn this. When I just started shooting about 15 or 20 years ago, I had to shoot a skins game in which Gary Player was playing in South Africa. Well, being new to it, I did not pay attention, and just as he was about to putt for a $30,000 shot, I saw something in the crowd and decided to shoot it. Well, on national TV, he yelled at me, and I was kind of the brunt of all my friends, family, and fellow photographers jokes for months afterwards. Fortunately, nothing serious happened from that, and it became more of a joke than anything else. But I learnt my lesson from that.
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Clark Brooks, Photographer
Urbana | IL | USA | Posted: 2:13 PM on 12.02.02
->> Why doesn't anything fun like that happen to me when I'm shooting? Looks like I should work on the old manuscript I started years ago "Complete Self-Defense For Photographers".

Golf and bowling - the only two, and use the term loosely, "sports" that require silence until the ball in motion. I think these should be called "Competitive Activities". May be the NFL will change the rules to be consistent with these two "competitive activities". Can you imagine not being able to shoot until the ball is snapped or until the punter makes contact with the ball in a silent stadium of 50K?

Rich is right. Rules are rules, silly as they are for a "sport", and we must abide by them, however, the caddie was way out of line. That would have been perfect day for me - shooting pics of Tiger and a short workout!
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Rich Pilling, Photographer
New York | NY | U.S.A. | Posted: 2:27 PM on 12.02.02
->> What Ed needs is spell check
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Thad Parsons, Student/Intern, Photographer
Durham | NC | USA | Posted: 3:02 PM on 12.02.02
->> Does anybody have any idea who the photographer was or any more facts about the story?
I would like to know if there is going to be any action on any party's behalf about the incident.
And where was the photographer when they told him to protect his equipment at all costs? :-)

Thad
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Doug Holleman, Photographer
Temple | TX | USA | Posted: 3:07 PM on 12.02.02
->> Yeah, Clark...if the NFL had those rules Warren Sapp wouldn't even get fined for putting a photographer in the emergency room for snapping prematurely. He would taunt the ambulance all the way out the tunnel and would probably be a hero for it.
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Brad Mangin, Photographer
Pleasanton | CA | USA | Posted: 3:12 PM on 12.02.02
->> According to today's Los Angeles Times, the photographer was a FAN. I am not saying that this is the absolute gospel, but it's in the sports section of today's LA Times. The guy was NOT a working photographer, but a fan.

For what it's worth...
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Jon Soohoo, Photographer
Los Angeles | CA | USA | Posted: 3:13 PM on 12.02.02
->> Hey Sports Shooters!!! Guess what??? LA Times sports section reports that it was a fan/guest whose camera went off and got tossed. You are right to ask for the facts Darren.
However,every television station reporting the event with Tiger screaming from the sand trap joked about the photographer getting his/her camera thrown in the lake as though it were a foolish sports shooter. There will be no clarification. The portrayal or spin in the media will remain photographers versus Tiger. It will not be brought up again until it happens again. And it will happen again.

I do apologize for getting all of you riled up but this won't be the last time this is a hot topic.
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Alan Look, Photographer
Bloomington | IL | United States | Posted: 4:51 PM on 12.02.02
->> A fan? Interesting. I attended a LPGA event this fall. The only cameras allowed in during Friday, Saturday, and Sunday were working media. Fans weren't allowed to bring in cameras.
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Rich Pilling, Photographer
New York | NY | U.S.A. | Posted: 4:57 PM on 12.02.02
->> If it was a fan who took the early photos of Tiger, then it was a poor job by the events security department to allow the fan to bring his/her camera into the Skins Games. We all know that fans are not allowed to bring cameras, among other restricted items onto the golf course. However, what gives Tigers caddy the right to throw this persons camera into the water? To me, Steve Williams over reacted. He should be responsible for replacing the camera, unless it was a Nikonos.
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Mark Coffey, Photographer
Liberty | MO | USA | Posted: 5:31 PM on 12.02.02
->> Do you think they realize that the only reason they can make such a nice living playing golf is that the fans pay to see them play and the media promotes thier play? Don't bite the hand that feeds you.
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Dave Cheng, Photographer, Assistant
Toronto | ON | Canada | Posted: 7:18 PM on 12.02.02
->> Rich: "Unless it was a Nikonos"? HAhah!

There's a brief mention of this here

http://www.canoe.ca/CalgarySports/cs.cs-12-02-0078.html

and again here

http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/abs_news_body.asp?section=Sports&OID=10150
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Matt Hevezi, Photographer
PSC 557 Box 914 | FPO AP | USA | Posted: 9:02 PM on 12.02.02
->> Humans make mistakes. Security, fan and caddie are all guilty here. But I think with some simple old-fashion discussion it can be easily solved.

I play golf, not for money, but yeah, it is tough to swing well with something as mentally taxing as a photographer's camera click. But I'm gald to hear it wasn't a working media guy. Although it will likely not matter either way as far as perception.

You know, I often think about sounds during the back swing. I play a par-3 course in my neighborhood in Okinawa. It is right next to the Kadena Air Base runway path. I hit balls all the time when aircraft are coming and going. There are also times when there are fellow golfers reacting verbally to good or bad shots; construction noise; animals; etc., etc. Sometimes these noises distract, sometimes we play through the noise with no consequence at all!

But let a buddy on the tee box zip his bag, or clank a club. Whoa, now he's sabatoged your attempt to beat his score ... right?

So the reaction of Team Tiger, I believe, might possibly be a result of some past bad experience from fan photographers, working photographers or even "media" in general and frustration about having to do his thing among them with no say so on whether they are there or not ... control. Tiger was brought up on the training tee with his father intentionally distracting him. But hey, if it is a shot for huge money -- and I think most everybody in here is motivated by cash -- you gotta believe you'd probably feel the same way about somebody taking money out of your pocket with a camera click.

Pay for the guy's rig and move on. That's my 2C. Enjoy.
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Dan Dalstra, Photographer
Jefferson City | MO | USA | Posted: 3:53 PM on 12.03.02
->> Where can I see images/footage of the guy getting his camera tossed in the lake? And yes, here we are back at the "p/s on the sidelines" controversey. Now these 'fans' are giving us a bad name! Too bad the guy didn't have a Holga. I bet it would have floated!!!!

d
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Rich Pilling, Photographer
New York | NY | U.S.A. | Posted: 4:25 PM on 12.03.02
->> Matt: I agree, humans do make mistakes. But it's way TOO LATE for discussion. That should have happened BEFORE the camera was tossed in the drink. And I too play golf, not for money like the pros do. I enjoy it immensly and I take it very seriously. Sometimes I hear distracting noises as I begin my back swing. Sometimes they bother me and sometimes they don't. Believe it or not, one time a cow bellowed a loud "MOOO" in the middle of my back swing. My playing partners asked me if the noise bothered me, but I honestly never heard it. And yes, good golfing buddies intentionally playing with the velcro on their golf gloves (right Ron) can be very annoying. But the point is that the caddy did something very wrong and should be held accountable for his actions, regardless if the fan or photographer pressed the shutter at the wrong time. SooHoo, look what you innocently started.
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Matt Hevezi, Photographer
PSC 557 Box 914 | FPO AP | USA | Posted: 4:35 PM on 12.03.02
->> Rich,

Good points. I am one who would rather see some de-escalation though. I think a prompt check from Mr. Williams and a simple conversation (maybe a genuine apology from both caddie and fan) between the concerned parties would do wonders to "make the situation better."
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Stephen Lance Dennee, Photographer
Paducah | KY | USA | Posted: 12:01 PM on 12.04.02
->> Jeff, you hit the nail on the head. Golf blows. I try not to shoot it. Those weinies make tons of cash for hitting a ball that is placed on a tee or from the ground and we are not able to shoot. I guess we'd better not shoot a hitter in a baseball game they might strike out. Or, quit shooting a free throw, may miss one pointer. Rich, you need to loosen up a little. Fine, there are rules and we have to follow. But, we can say, by the right of the constitution, the one that gave us the freedom of our job, that rule should be eliminated and is the worst one of society golf. Oh, if there are any spelling or grammer errors. Too bad for you! Put a stinking spell check in the program.
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Darren Carroll, Photographer
Cedar Creek (Austin) | TX | USA | Posted: 3:49 PM on 12.04.02
->> Stephen,

I've spent all morning perusing my copy of the Constitution and can't seem to find the part where it guarantees me the unfettered freedom to do whatever job I want. Nor can I find the part that talks about the Constitution superseding the Rules of Golf (and the PGA Tour photography regulations). Can you help me out here? Thanks.
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Rich Pilling, Photographer
New York | NY | U.S.A. | Posted: 5:05 PM on 12.04.02
->> Stephen: You need to get out of Paducah, KY a little more. The rest of the world is really a great place full of nice people. And, who needs spell check when we have people like you looking after us.
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Jeffrey Haderthauer, Student/Intern, Photographer
Norman | OK | USA | Posted: 5:40 PM on 12.04.02
->> I heard the guys camera on TV, it was extremely loud. And it came out of nowhere, i can definitely see how it was distracting. Now, this doesn't absolve Mr. Woods' caddy, he should be sending our "photofan" a check.

Does anyone know how this fan got into a photo position on the 18th hole of a major event? And why no one questioned his being there?

As for golf, I enjoy playing (hacking) far more than I enjoy shooting it. But I don't shoot it that much, and I've yet to make a really nice golf picture. Thats my problem, not golf's.
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Chris Preovolos, Student/Intern, Photographer
San Jose | CA | USA | Posted: 6:29 PM on 12.04.02
->> Darren,

Just for the sake of the argument–and I am in no way a legal scholar–but I am pretty sure that the U.S. Constitution does supercede the PGA regs:

Article. VI.

Clause 2: This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding.

Also, I am pretty sure that the 14th ammendment makes it officially applicable to the states.

But you are correct in that there is no mention of the PGA in the text.

--CP
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Jeffrey Haderthauer, Student/Intern, Photographer
Norman | OK | USA | Posted: 8:21 PM on 12.04.02
->> Chris, Stephen-

PGA events are played at clubs that are private property. The clubs promise to adhere to PGA rules while hosting the tour events. Since the clubs are private property, Constitutional law does not apply here. You (being the media) are only allowed to attend by agreeing to the rules laid out in the terms for credentialing. You can either accept the terms and follow the rules, or you can move on.
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Robert G. Stevens, Photographer
Halifax | NS | Canada | Posted: 8:34 PM on 12.04.02
->> This is an interesting thread but nobody has asked the important question. Where were the real credentialed photographers when this spectator got his camera tossed in the water? Were they all asleep at the switch and not able to take a photo of the incident?
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Darren Carroll, Photographer
Cedar Creek (Austin) | TX | USA | Posted: 8:36 PM on 12.04.02
->> Chris--

At the risk of giving my tongue-in-cheek constitutional comments more weight than they deserve, good luck selling that line of reasoning to the Supreme Court when the Tour folks pull your credential ;-)

Jeffrey's right. Actually, the few truly "private" clubs left hosting Tour events (and their rules) have little, if anything, to do with the Tour's policies regarding the media. If you don't like the rules in the photography agreement, don't sign them. And don't cover the tournament.

According to what I heard, the fan slipped into a position where he shouldn't have been. If that's true, not only did the course marshals not do their job by not confiscating his camera earlier, they also messed up when they didn't stop him from going where he went.

Neither of those things will come as a shock to anyone who's covered their share of tournaments.

Not that that absolves the caddie by any means. By the way, how do we know he didn't apologize to/cut a check for the fan? Just because we haven't heard about it on SportsCenter doesn't mean it didn't happen. I'd lay even money that it already has.
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Stephen Lance Dennee, Photographer
Paducah | KY | USA | Posted: 10:38 PM on 12.04.02
->> Everyone knows the Constitution grants life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. So, you can work as a carpenter if you want, which I have. The wonderful document allows us as the media to cover numerous events, talk about what we want and spell how ever wrong we want. My point was that there are rules we have to follow, but, we can talk about them and maybe get them changed while doing so and not get tossed. Rich, if you look at my portfolio you know I have spent plenty of time out of Paducah. Oh, and the US, I hepled defend this wonderful country in the Navy in order to pursue my passion of photography as a job. And, if you get out of the country once and a while, say Asia or any third world country in the world, (all of) you would know how lucky we are to have the right to choose the job we want and talk in person or via the enternet as we can in the United States granted by the Constitution. I hope all of you understand what I meant. The PGA and almost all other golf associations do not allow still photos to be take mid shot, no big deal. Reaction shots are better. I would rather not shoot golf. Good day.
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JC Ridley, Photographer
Davie | FL | USA | Posted: 11:46 PM on 12.04.02
->> Anyone have the caddie's number? I've got a bunch of P&S guys here at the Orange Bowl that need to be dealt with. Maybe we can put Flipper's pool back in the open end-zone for him to throw them in?
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Chris Preovolos, Student/Intern, Photographer
San Jose | CA | USA | Posted: 12:05 AM on 12.05.02
->> Jeffrey,

As Darren pointed out, my comments were not meant to be taken seriously either. And while the Constitution certainly does apply on the golf course–even though it is private property–it has no bearing on the caddie/photographer situation...ok enough of that. ha.
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Jeffrey Haderthauer, Student/Intern, Photographer
Norman | OK | USA | Posted: 12:34 AM on 12.05.02
->> How does the Constitution apply to the golf course? I'm just wondering, because I don't see any government regulations coming into play anywhere. Private organizations can make whatever rules they want as long as they are not expressly prohibted by law. Think of Augusta, one of their rules is no female members, and it is perfectly legal because it is a private organization. Distasteful yes, but legal.

Sorry for being so adament on this, but I've been dealing with Constitutional law all semester. In fact, as I write this, i'm doing my best not to write my final paper for my Mass Communication Law class... "Photojournalism and Privacy Law"
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Chris Preovolos, Student/Intern, Photographer
San Jose | CA | USA | Posted: 1:03 AM on 12.05.02
->> Ok ok ok. All I am saying is that it applies anywhere and everywhere within the confines of the United States, although it doesn't have any particular bearing on PGA rules, credentialing, et cetera. That is, just because you are on a private golf course doesn't mean you can break local, state, or federal laws, but then you said that yourself.

Like I said, my original message was sort of a joke...the constitution would supercede PGA regs IF they conflicted with the constitution, which they–of course–don't.

So anyway, I am sorry about dragging this WAY off topic.
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Charles G. Samuel, Photographer
Jenks | OK | USA | Posted: 2:59 AM on 12.05.02
->> As a Commision Law-Enf Officer, we would be out of business if we were unable to arrest law-breakers, due to them being on private property.
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Owen C. Shaw, Photographer
Mission Viejo | CA | USA | Posted: 5:39 AM on 12.05.02
->> Rumer has it that Tiger Woods 2004 by Electronic Arts will contain an option where Tiger can go into the gallery grab some gear and chuck it. If you grab a 600 f4 Canon L series and fling it 30 yards or greater into the lake you deduct 3 strokes from your score.

My first thoughts on reading the AP story was my god what was he shooting that Tiger heard it from the gallery. I tink they should just pipe in rock music at each green like they do on NFL kick offs. That way the gallery can fire away.
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Geoff Miller, Photographer
Portage | MI | USA | Posted: 8:12 AM on 12.05.02
->> I'll be interested to see the next NASCAR game from EA. Will they knock a 1/2 second off your qualifying time if you can punch a photog in the garage area???
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Rich Pilling, Photographer
New York | NY | U.S.A. | Posted: 10:05 AM on 12.05.02
->> I asked Chris Condon, an official PGA Tour photographer if he knew anything about this incident. Chris did not cover The Skins Game since this is not a PGA Tour event. However, he did make a couple of very valid points (all in conjecture). He said that perhaps the camera that got tossed in the lake was a disposable camera. If that's the case folks, then let's move on. He also pointed out that Steve Williams, Woods' caddy is an intelligent person who knows his boundries. He probably would not toss a valuable (even if it was a point and shoot camera) into the lake. Chris mentioned that Getty photographers generally cover Tigers every move. Was there a Getty (or another professional) photographer who witnessed this event? If not, then let's move on to another subject and end this thread.
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Robert Seale, Photographer
Houston | TX | USA | Posted: 11:13 AM on 12.05.02
->> Rich-

This camera had a motor drive - so I don't think it was a disposable.....you can hear it on the tape whirring at 5+ frames a sec.
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Ed J. Szalajeski, Photographer
Yarmouth | ME | USA | Posted: 3:45 PM on 12.05.02
->> Just curious, is it common practice for cameras to get confiscated during events for rule breaking?

(Credentialed photographers or Joe public?)
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Alan Look, Photographer
Bloomington | IL | United States | Posted: 4:19 PM on 12.05.02
->> I love this thread. It incorporates bits and pieces of several others from the recent past. rich just brought up Getty, Getty/Allsport, allsport in yet another instance of controversy. Maybe they don't have an image of this altercation either :-)

If anyone from Getty's reading, don't take offense. I'm chuckling like the big guy in the red suit.
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Darren Carroll, Photographer
Cedar Creek (Austin) | TX | USA | Posted: 6:56 PM on 12.05.02
->> Ed-

Course marshals and PGA Tour personnel are supposed to confiscate cameras from fans during tournament days (Thursday-Sunday). They're also supposed to confiscate fans' cell phones. They rarely do either one.

Maybe (hopefully) that will change after last weekend's incident.
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Mark J. Terrill, Photographer
Simi Valley | CA | USA | Posted: 3:59 AM on 12.06.02
->> Here is a little info that might help put some of this to rest.

I'm currently working on a tournament with Mr. Woods and just finished one with him last week in Hawaii. I spoke to Gof Digest photographer J.D. Cuban yesterday who was at the Skins Game and I asked him about the incident. According to him, the camera in question was a Canon 1D. He says he was right next to the guy when it happened and he even said something to the effect of "Thanks a lot, pal" to him.

Here is a quote from Mr. Woods on the incident as written by AP writer Doug Ferguson.

--Last weekend at the Skins Game, with the tournament already decided, Woods became irate when someone clicked a camera as he tried to blast out of a bunker. He snarled. He cursed. And his caddie tossed the man's camera in the lake.

--``That gentleman who took the picture on my downswing didn't have a media credential. He was one of the people inside the ropes,'' Woods said. ``I don't know if it was a sponsor or a gallery member, but he was there. And he mis-timed it.''

I've shot this tournament several times and can tell you that it's nothing like a PGA event. Everyone and their mother gets a pass inside the ropes. Player's family, friends, pets, etc. While we're restricted to an arms length from the ropes, they line the fringe of the green in front of us. This is not a PGA event. It's a TV event and is run as such.

As a footnote Mr. Woods does seem overly touchy about cameras. After a Pro-Am the other day, I started to shoot him putting on the practice green and the two of them snapped at me. Apparently he doesn't like to be shot while practicing either. He didn't seem to mind the hundreds of fans shooting pictures of him from behind the ropes at the time, though.

On the other hand I can understand why he has a problem with us. No other golfer has had to endure the number of photographers that follow him at every tournament. With that many of us out there, accidents are going to happen and they do. Last year I witnessed a pro at the same tournament that I'm currently at kneel ten feet from him on the green and start firing away with an on camera strobe while another golfer was addressing the ball. Steve had to yell at him three times before he stopped shooting and realized he was out of line. I almost through his damn camera in the drink myself. It turns out his guy hadn't shot much golf before and didn't know the rules. He normally shoots celebs.

Several sources, who know Mr. Woods, have told me that he has a lot of respect for most of the professional photographers that follow him. He knows that most of us are out there doing the right thing and understands the symbiotic nature of our relationship.

Hope this helps.
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David Gonzales, Photographer
Palo Alto | CA | USA | Posted: 4:03 AM on 12.06.02
->> For what it's worth, Tiger's dislike for premature picture-taking is not a result his turning pro or his perceived inflated ego. He gave disapproving looks to fans unfamiliar with golf etiquette who snapped pictures during his Stanford days. Perhaps the galleries should be reminded to refrain from taking pictures before the swing much like volunteers hold up signs to remind the fans to remain "Quiet" as a golfer is about to hit.
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Phillip MacCallum, Photographer
Carleton Place | ON | Canada | Posted: 11:17 AM on 12.06.02
->> Hey Mark

Thanks for the inside look on matters but how about a quote from Tiger on what he thought of his caddies actions. Did this guy really throw a $4000.00 camera in a pond?

Did the AP guy ask Tiger for an opinion on the matter and if so lets see it in print.
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