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TRAVELING WITH CAMERAS AND ELECTRONICS UNDER A TRAVEL BAN |
Stanley Leary, Photographer, Photo Editor
Roswell | GA | | Posted: 9:21 AM on 05.13.17
->> We are now going into a new way for international travel and potentially all airline travel when it comes to flying with electronics.

While I really hate these changes I would rather arrive alive than not.

I think this thread will grow as people chime in after they find out what works on flights with the new travel bans.

https://www.slrlounge.com/traveling-with-electronics-cameras-under-travel-b...
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Jim Colburn, Photographer
Omaha | NE | USA | Posted: 2:11 PM on 05.16.17
->> I have had the "privilege" of going through, and paying for, the TSA's Global Entry Trusted Traveler process so why should I now have to check $20,000 worth of camera and computer gear so that some baggage handler can rip me off?
I don't want to fly somewhere for a gig only to find that I am without the cameras and lenses needed to take the photos that I cannot transmit from my non-existent laptop.
I suggest that people write their elected representatives to complain.
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Stanley Leary, Photographer, Photo Editor
Roswell | GA | | Posted: 2:55 PM on 05.16.17
->> Jim

I don't think that will work now. It isn't just the USA.

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/03/britain-electronics-ban-flights-17032...
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Jim Colburn, Photographer
Omaha | NE | USA | Posted: 9:19 PM on 05.16.17
->> "...from six Muslim-majority countries..."
Not from all of the other countries in Europe, or all of
North America for that matter.
The time to complain is now, before these things get settled, not later, after your gear's been stolen.
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Gene Boyars, Photographer
Manalapan | NJ | United States | Posted: 10:13 AM on 05.17.17
->> I did write both of my US senators and my congressman. The response so far? Crickets......
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Jim Colburn, Photographer
Omaha | NE | USA | Posted: 12:36 PM on 05.17.17
->> Don't worry Gene, they keep track of what their constituents say.
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Stanley Leary, Photographer, Photo Editor
Roswell | GA | | Posted: 8:05 AM on 05.18.17
->> I think with the intelligence community saying the only way to really keep planes secure is to have all luggage go through the bomb detection equipment that isn't used for carry on then I for one want it.

Now I hope they can put that same bomb detection sensors in the security gates. The reason it might not be there is due to the health concerns of that gear near people. I don't know.

I would like to see us start shifting the comments to how will we pack and more emphasis on camera insurance.

We can write our congress representatives, but if the ability of a bomb is there for a laptop or in a camera then I think we need to be more concerned about that than our convenience.

I am thinking we now need to be prepared for flying where we may have to check everything.

There is one upside to all this and that is we will not have to worry about getting on early for space for our gear if this happens.
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Gene Boyars, Photographer
Manalapan | NJ | United States | Posted: 8:34 PM on 05.18.17
->> Jim, I actually got a phone call from Senator Booker's office this evening.. I was shocked. We talked about the pit falls of the ban. And while they did not come out and say they would fight it they do agree that there are some serious problems with it and are looking into it so that is some progress.
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Steven E. Frischling, Photographer
New England | | | Posted: 2:58 PM on 05.20.17
->> If only the DHS would look at their own internal research over the past decade or so, from the DHS Science and Technology Directorate, that consistently shows a higher rate of discovery in carry on baggage than checked baggage.

Electronics in checked baggage poses multiple increased threat to aviation security and safety factors , as well as laptops and cameras being checked not only going against 100% of airline Contracts of Carriage, but also against all the safety guidelines from the US DOT Pipeline & Hazardous Materials Safety Administration.

Every bit of research from DHS S&T shows that swabbing and the implementation of a CTX for carry on baggage reduces the threat level. Additionally isolated electronics in a cabin that pose a threat are easier to address and neutralize in flight.

But when has the DHS listened to the DHS?
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Stanley Leary, Photographer, Photo Editor
Roswell | GA | | Posted: 5:11 PM on 05.22.17
->> New Scanners and Conveyors Could Make Airline Security Faster and Safer

This was posted back in October. I wonder how close this is to reality and if so should help with the issue.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-10-27/new-scanners-and-conveye...
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Gene Boyars, Photographer
Manalapan | NJ | United States | Posted: 2:16 PM on 05.30.17
->> Sounds like someone listened to what we were saying

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/05/30/united-states-no-laptop-ban-238939
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Brett Groehler, Photographer
Duluth | MN | USA | Posted: 3:38 PM on 05.30.17
->> I know these posts are related to International travel, but is there anything I need to be aware for US travel next month with a Think Tank Airport Security bag filled with bodies, lenses and a laptop?
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Stanley Leary, Photographer, Photo Editor
Roswell | GA | | Posted: 4:19 PM on 05.30.17
->> As far as now there isn't any ban on domestic flights.
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Gene Boyars, Photographer
Manalapan | NJ | United States | Posted: 10:43 PM on 05.30.17
->> Just be aware that they may want to take a close look at all of the goodies and nicely remind them to be gentle because the gear is fragile and expensive. Many don't seem to get that idea on their own.
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Stanley Leary, Photographer, Photo Editor
Roswell | GA | | Posted: 4:18 PM on 05.31.17
->> I recommend getting the new ThinkTank StreetWalker Rolling Bag V2.0

You can put the laptop inside the bag and then lock the zipper before it goes into the cargo hold.

https://www.thinktankphoto.com/products/streetwalker-rolling-backpack-v2
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Jim Colburn, Photographer
Omaha | NE | USA | Posted: 10:41 AM on 06.01.17
->> "You can put the laptop inside the bag and then lock the zipper before it goes into the cargo hold."

And have some baggage handler rip off a few expensive items?

No thanks. I carry on my gear to make sure it arrives with me. I can always stop off at a Target for some new clothes, some toothpaste and a hair brush. Replacing a bunch of high-end camera gear is tougher.
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Stanley Leary, Photographer, Photo Editor
Roswell | GA | | Posted: 10:49 AM on 06.02.17
->> Jim Colburn

This thread is about the international rules that you cannot carry the bag on with you. Right now there are ten countries where you have no choice. So you cannot choose in those flights to carry it on.

There is a real chance this gets expanded to all European Flights and there is even talk of it for domestic.
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Jim Colburn, Photographer
Omaha | NE | USA | Posted: 11:56 AM on 06.03.17
->> Stanley Leary.

I know what this thread is supposed to be about.

I know about the current rule regarding carry-on baggage from certain airports.

I know that there is a chance that this idiotic rule will be expanded to all European flights.

That's why I suggested, early on, that people write their elected representatives to complain.

(I have received a call from the office of one of my state's senators to get more feedback on being a photographer and carrying gear.)
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Stanley Leary, Photographer, Photo Editor
Roswell | GA | | Posted: 5:59 PM on 06.04.17
->> Jim

I couldn't tell from that comment that you understood.

"No thanks. I carry on my gear to make sure it arrives with me. I can always stop off at a Target for some new clothes, some toothpaste and a hair brush. Replacing a bunch of high-end camera gear is tougher."

It is great that you get it.

My concern is more about me safely arriving to my destination. I do think engineers are working hard to create better scanners for all the things that terrorist want to use to bring down an airliner, but it is hard to stay ahead of them.

Having to check my gear extremely stress producing. Yes we all need to write our congressmen. Maybe NPPA, ASMP and other photo associations can come up with a form letter we can use that gives them alternatives to banning electronics.
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Jim Colburn, Photographer
Omaha | NE | USA | Posted: 12:10 PM on 06.05.17
->> Stanley

It's sad that you "couldn't tell from that comment" that I understood.

I go through enough BS (the Global Entry Trusted Traveler, hand searches of my carry on bags, having to arrive at the airport way too early) already. But okay, if it means a safe flight I'll go through it all and bring a book to read during the down time.

Being forced to check my gear using a transparently insecure baggage handling system after which the stuff is put into an unsecured cargo hold is not acceptable.
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Steven E. Frischling, Photographer
New England | | | Posted: 12:24 PM on 06.05.17
->> Checking equipment poses multiple issues

1) Airline contract of carriage absolves the airline of any financial liability for the loss, theft or damage of your electronics checked under the aircraft. Regardless of the circumstances, with limited exceptions.

2) In many instances checked baggage passes through three sets of entities between check in and arriving on the aircraft, gate agent, TSA, ramp handler. This is often airline, TSA, contract company, and often back to airline. There is no accountability once it gets past the counter.

3) DHS S&T and DOT PHMSA both have extensive data that shows a fire started in the baggage hold is significantly more dangerous and cause a catastrophic situation that batteries in carry on. This is why travel restricted batteries that could be checked and required them to be carried on. Now batteries catching fire, cooking off and igniting other batteries causes a bigger issue.

4) Research from the DHS S&T and TSA, as well as other national oversight agencies around the world, show that the likelihood of a threat being detected in carry on is substantially more likely than detecting that threat in checked baggage.

So if you think you can relax reading a book on a safe flight you're a better person that most travelers. The anxiety factor is far higher based on all the research that something will go wrong.
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Stanley Leary, Photographer, Photo Editor
Roswell | GA | | Posted: 3:15 PM on 06.05.17
->> I think we can talk forever about the problems this introduces into our lives when flying.

I tossed out one solution that doesn't solve the problem of theft, but did address a safer way to transport through cargo hold.

I think we need two things in comments that I think will help people in this forum rather than showing how much one knows and positioning as an expert.

First, we need packing solutions for traveling with cameras, laptops and electronics on those flights we have to check our gear.

Second, we need form letter that could be used by all photographers writing to their congress representatives that offers solutions and spells out the risks. Maybe the letter is to ask airlines to take on more responsibility for lost luggage. Not saying it would happen.
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Jim Colburn, Photographer
Omaha | NE | USA | Posted: 8:41 PM on 06.05.17
->> "First, we need packing solutions for traveling with cameras, laptops and electronics on those flights we have to check our gear."

Or, we could protest enough with reasoned and reasonable arguments so that we don't have to check our gear.

Notice the difference in approach?
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Stanley Leary, Photographer, Photo Editor
Roswell | GA | | Posted: 11:28 AM on 06.06.17
->> Jim you are just a troll on this thread. People have to travel now, TODAY, and protesting will only keep you off the flight. If you want to fly to those 10 countries you have to comply. So what is your packing solution if you have to go there to do work?

By the way an "Internet troll" or "Forum Troll" is a person who posts outrageous message to bait people to answer. Trolls delight in sowing discord on the forums. A troll is someone who inspires flaming rhetoric, someone who is purposely provoking and pulling people into flaming discussion.
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Jim Colburn, Photographer
Omaha | NE | USA | Posted: 11:42 AM on 06.06.17
->> Stanley.

Writing "troll" many times doesn't make it so.

It's strange that you call someone advocating that we contact our elected representatives to express an opinion a "troll". It's usually known as "a reasoned argument". You don't seem to be familiar with the concept.

(As to the "packing solution if you have to go there to do work" question I'd suggest booking a non-direct flight from the US with a stop-over in Europe. No check-your-gear nonsense on either leg. Problem solved!)
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Steven E. Frischling, Photographer
New England | | | Posted: 9:16 AM on 06.07.17
->> You need not check your electronics on outbound flights from the United States, only on in-bound flights to the United States. As well U.S. flag carriers operating on these routes are not impacted.

As such, there is no need to book a "non-direct flight from the US," you would however need to book an indirect flight returning to the United States if you are seeking to avoid checking your electronics.

Also, flights in-bound to the UK from these nations have an electronics ban, so you can't book your flights via the UK.

Presently DHS staff based in Abu Dhabi are flying back to the US primarily via Germany, as they are not allowed to be separated from their laptops while in transit, and are not exempt from the electronics ban.

Oh, and airfares to the impacted countries via Europe tend to cost quite a bit more than direct flights or indirect flights with layovers via hubs such as DXB, JED and AUH.
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