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Sony A9, 20 FPS w/AF, 24mp FF, no blackout, 3.6M pixel EVF $4500
Patrick Murphy-Racey, Photographer
Knoxville | TN | USA | Posted: 2:39 PM on 05.01.17
->> Since the start of the year, Sony has moved ahead of Nikon as the #2 producer of full-frame camera bodies even as Nikon laid off 1,000 employees. The Sigma MC-11 adapter is just a firmware update away from allowing the A9's AF tracking with 10 fps with Canon EF glass. I will be shooting football this season with a couple A9's and a Canon 500 or 600mm f/4L.
The A9 has a 30ms shutter lag time with no mirror slap vibration issues (not a misprint). Sony had a massive earthquake upset their entire camera business last year and yet they posted the largest profit since 1998.

You can dismiss me as crazy if you want but might it not finally be a good time to have a look at what Sony is doing?

The DSLR is dead. Denial is not just a river in Egypt...

pm-r
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Gabe Souza, Photographer
Portland | ME | USA | Posted: 6:18 PM on 05.01.17
->> Mine is on order...
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Steve Puppe, Photographer
Olathe | KS | USA | Posted: 11:49 AM on 05.02.17
->> The system isn't quite there enough to make me switch but I'm glad they're pushing the technology. Hopefully Canon and Nikon respond with some innovation.
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Jim Colburn, Photographer
Omaha | NE | USA | Posted: 12:00 PM on 05.02.17
->> Isn't there some way to label these Sony postings from Patrick as ads?

(And BTW, the DSLR is not dead)
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Dylan Wilson, Photographer, Assistant
Savannah | GA | USA | Posted: 8:44 AM on 05.03.17
->> I've loved the A7RII and the Metabones adapter for my Canon lenses. The high ISOs are amazing. I usually shoot on manual and auto ISO and just let the camera drive. Images up to 10000 are definitely usable (especially on social media). I've even shot sports with the camera using the 1.5x crop feature and feel that while the continuous AF isn't great, it's good enough for my occasional use.

My only other issue is the amount of time that it takes to process images onto an SD card - when shooting full res, chimping is nearly impossible.

Also, Patrick you may know the answer to this question, is there a way to turn the EVF off when shooting on strobes? I've only done this a few times, and if I'm shooting several stops under, it's difficult to compose because the frame thru the viewfinder is nearly all black.
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Gavin Werbeloff, Photographer
New York | NY | USA | Posted: 5:27 PM on 05.04.17
->> Not passing any substantive judgement on the A9, A7 or any other Sony cameras, but Sony really cherry picked the data. They sold more cameras over a 2 month period of time. This isn't a defense of Nikon, they clearly have their work cut out for them.

https://nikonrumors.com/2017/04/14/sony-pushed-nikon-from-the-2-spot-in-u-s.../
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Chris Peterson, Photographer, Photo Editor
Columbia Falls | MT | USA | Posted: 2:32 AM on 05.05.17
->> Gotta admit, it looks like a cool camera Racey. But Nikon AF on the road map?
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Stanley Leary, Photographer, Photo Editor
Roswell | GA | | Posted: 6:13 PM on 05.05.17
->> Dylan

Shooting with studio strobes.

Go to the tab with the cogwheel

Look for the option
Live View Display and change it to OFF

It should no longer emulate the final result and work like an optical viewfinder
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Stanley Leary, Photographer, Photo Editor
Roswell | GA | | Posted: 12:13 PM on 05.08.17
->> The Sony a9 Is a Sports Camera Without Sports Lenses

https://fstoppers.com/originals/sony-a9-sports-camera-without-sports-lenses...
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Rick Yeatts, Photographer
Dallas | TX | USA | Posted: 9:57 PM on 05.15.17
->> Patrick is 100% percent right. Just like when Robert Seal said years ago professional sports photography is dead. Canon and Nikon are struggling with the same old technology and not investing that much into research & development Sony is blazing a path.
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Stanley Leary, Photographer, Photo Editor
Roswell | GA | | Posted: 10:19 PM on 05.15.17
->> I think this is the most balanced view and talks about some of the short comings of the Sony a9

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/sony-a9-review-a-first-look-at-sonys-al...
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Sean King, Photographer
Aurora | IL | USA | Posted: 3:13 AM on 06.05.17
->> After shooting nine assignments with the Sony A9...

THE GOOD

1. 20 frames a second
2. Blazing fast autofocus with Sigma-MC11 adapter and my Canon L glass
3. Battery life is good. I got about 8000 frames on a full charge.
4. Hit rate is extremely high. Better than on my 1Dx or 7Dmark II.


THE BAD

1. Culling thru all of the photos (20 frames a second)
2. No way of seeing the photo names or numbers on the camera
3. No way of solidly marking your photos for review on PM.
4. No failover from one card to another when one card is full.

THE UGLY

1. Overheating indicator went on when I was shooting in 90F weather using the slower of the two card slots. (I shot a whole soccer game with the indicator on and no problems with performance).


Conclusion after using the A9 for a week. I had to learn how to adjust my workflow since I was not able to mark photos or even write down photo names to look for once I started editing. I adjusted by looking at the time I shot the photo and using that as a marking point.

Great camera that I wish would allow me to

1. Mark files
2. See file names in camera
3. update the firmware to address the overheating indicator bug
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Sean King, Photographer
Aurora | IL | USA | Posted: 3:28 AM on 06.05.17
->> Also, some things I missed in my original post.

1. No moving parts (electronic shutter rocks)
2. No Blackout when shooting
3. shutter can go all the way up to 1/32000 a second.
4. You can set the camera to have a Completely silent shutter. NO SOUND PERIOD.
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Patrick Murphy-Racey, Photographer
Knoxville | TN | USA | Posted: 1:14 PM on 06.24.17
->> To be honest, I can get depressed when I post on SS these days... People love to hate me because I've chosen to use different gear than the norm. Yeah, I'm sponsored by Sony. And many of my friends are called Explorers and Ambassadors but I don't see the same kind of posts about them.

The A9 is simply awesome. It's lightweight, faster than anything from Canon or Nikon, and the lenses are coming. On the video side, mirrorless offers so many solutions for all the problems of attempting to do production with a DSLR... it's not even funny.

Time will tell if my statement about the DSLR being dead is true or not, but for sure you won't likely see me using a DSLR ever again. Take a look at what's happening in Malaysia and throughout Southeast Asia, in China, and Germany. In all of these countries, mirrorless is outselling DSLRs and not just in the full-frame segment.

As for sports photography, mirrorless with the A9 is just better. 30 ms lag time on the shutter allows instant success for balls off of bats and club heads, gives any shooter a huge advantage for golf for the obvious reasons, and 20fps doesn't suck. Larger files, more dynamic range, and more images to select from are all part of the experience of shooting with the A9. That you can use Canon EF glass on the A9 with a $250 adapter makes it an unbelievable value. (This is not perfect yet but improving all the time yet ther is still no viable solution for Nikon glass).

As the A9 is shipped to more and more people each day, and as the three new lenses are due to begin shipping in the next week, and in 30 days, respectively, it will be easier for some of you to give Sony a try.

Sony Pro Services is still in its infancy but growing really fast, especially with the help of Bill Pekala and all his wisdom and advice.

You can knock Sony all you want but at least give them credit for showing up out of nowhere and challenging the big two in a way no one has ever done.

The A9 is the best of all worlds, allowing a size similar to Leica M, faster speeds than the best Canon can offer, and in making some of the sharpest lenses in contemporary times (G-Master).

Call me crazy if you want, but I'm loving using this new gear. You can all do what you want, obviously, but it might be in your best interest to take a closer look, especially going forward and as the lines between stills and video blur more and more each day. And, if you disagree with everything I've said, then I will just enjoy your Facebook photos where you shoot pix of the back LCD of your camera with your iPhone... you guys slay me;)
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Tim Gangloff, Photographer
Knoxville | Tn | USA | Posted: 8:48 PM on 06.25.17
->> Hey Patrick. Sony is certainly turning up the heat, and we all benefit from that, but for a sports shooter, I just don't think they are there yet. When they release the 400 2.8 or even a 300 2.8 and other super telephoto lenses, then you/they may get my further attention. I like a silent shutter. I like 20fps, I like wifi, but I also like a 300 2.8, a 400 2.8 and maybe a 200-400 one day.

And in sports where speed is critical, the fastest cfast cards are still twice as fast as the fastest sd cards. So, I'm able to download my smaller files 2 times faster. ;-)

Seriously, I like what Sony is doing, but I just am not ready to use 2 systems and I don't think Sony is ready for professional sports yet - at least not for those shooting one system. I can see using an a9 with a 70-200 and silent shutter for golf, but I don't see the a9 performing at th highest levels with a long lens.

I do look forward to seeing you on the sideline and seeing how the A9 is working for you.

From the article cited below:

"Second, Sony A-mount lenses adapted with the LA-EA3 adapter do shoot at an impressive 10 fps with autofocus, something we confirmed with the 50/1.4 (as long as you've updated the firmware of the adapter).* With the Metabones and Sigma adapters though, as with all Sony FE bodies, only the L drive mode offers continuous focus. And it's actually only 2.5 fps, not the 5 fps Watson mentions (technically L is 3 fps, but it slows to 2-3 fps with continuous focus).

With that out of the way, Watson's video is a great resource for seeing how well (or not) the a9 performs when attached to the long, fast Canon primes sports shooters love. And while single-shot focus with central points is speedy and almost 100% accurate with long adapted lenses, the lack of true subject tracking (Lock-on AF modes) or continuous focus at speeds higher than ~2.5 fps (or in video) will probably be a deal breaker for many fast-action photographers.

Once you've lost the impressive high speed shooting advantages Sony baked into the a9, you might as well be shooting with any other camera. Moral of the story: stick to Sony glass and hope they keep churning out new lenses at break-neck pace."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5TSCjUlQsjE

https://www.dpreview.com/videos/4134648312/video-sony-a9-falls-short-with-c...
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Corey Perrine, Photographer
Philadelphia | PA | USA | Posted: 12:52 AM on 06.26.17
->> It's gonna be real interesting when the A9 II comes out and you have sports lenses and dual XQD slots. For now basically you have to shoot anything over ISO 640. It has my attention but not my dollars – for now...

https://petapixel.com/2017/05/18/sony-a9-sacrifices-dynamic-range-name-spee.../
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Jim Colburn, Photographer
Omaha | NE | USA | Posted: 8:15 PM on 06.26.17
->> "I'm sponsored by Sony"
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Patrick Murphy-Racey, Photographer
Knoxville | TN | USA | Posted: 10:12 PM on 11.10.17
->> FE400mm f/2.8G-Master coming in Summer, 2018
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Simon Wheeler, Photographer, Photo Editor
Ithaca | NY | USA | Posted: 9:37 PM on 11.11.17
->> Re the 400 2.8, I'm looking into how much I can get for a kidney. Just kidding. I have a friend and his A9's are awesome, but I don't see switching. Too much Canon muscle memory to unlearn.
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Michael Granse, Photographer
Urbana | IL | USA | Posted: 1:13 AM on 11.13.17
->> I was a Minolta user (and ENJOYED the puzzled looks from other shooters) before they released their first DSLR snd I switched to Canon when it became apparent that Minolta was not going to compete with Nikon and Canon in the pro DSLR market. The flash metering system in my Minolta system was better in 2002 than my Canon gear is now in 2017 and my lenses all the way up to 300mm f2.8 were great, though they lacked silent motors and did not focus as quickly as my Canon lenses. I really hated to have to sell everything and start over. Not long after this, Minolta merged with Konica and then Konica-Minolta was purchased by Sony.

As for the Sony camera's inability to tag an image, this seems like a relatively easy fix that could be addressed via software upgrade. If it is a lack of an extra button, perhaps they could remap the delete button to tag images instead of erasing them. I almost never delete images in camera as I effectively accomplish this by only keeping the ones that are tagged. If it were set up as a custom function, the user could choose to leave the button as delete or change it to tag.

I am not currently looking to switch camera systems but I love the idea that Minolta, or at least a more recent version of it, is back in The Game.
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