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Nikon D5 High ISO
David Dennis, Photographer
Bakersfield | Ca | US | Posted: 3:57 PM on 12.13.16
->> I have been testing a D5 I have on loan from NPS and have a question for those that have a D5. I shoot in a lot of poorly light gyms and stadiums. With my D3s I shoot on average at around 8k to 10k ISO. While there is noise in the D3s image, once in LR a little noise reduction is able to smooth out the noise quit nicely. Shooting the same venues and shooting at the same settings I have been puzzled on the D5 noise levels. I was hoping to get less noise in the D5 images, shot at the same ISO ratings as my D3s, 8k and 10k. But It feels like I see more noise. While I definitely see much more detail in the D5, not illustrated in the images very well. The noise to me is much more apparent in the D5 images and then when you run a touch of noise reduction on the D5 images it doesn't really improve. It appears to make the noise slightly more noticeable.

A link below to two photos. Both images are shot at 10k ISO,1/800, 2.8. However, they are in different venues. I have not been able to get shots at the same venue with the same settings. Neither image had been processed except for taking it from RAW to JPEG. I did not make any adjustments to either image.

http://www.sportsshooter.com/ddennis/isogallery

So I guess my question is for those that have a D5 are you seeing anything similar with your images when shooting at 8k and 10k ISO. Could I have a setting in camera that is causing this? Or am I expecting to much?
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Chris Parent, Photographer
Baton Rouge | LA | United States | Posted: 5:13 PM on 12.13.16
->> Do you have Active D-Lighting or Noise Reduction on both bodies?
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David Dennis, Photographer
Bakersfield | Ca | US | Posted: 5:46 PM on 12.13.16
->> Thats a good question... I'm not sure how the D5 is completely setup. I went through and tried to set it up with much of the same settings as my 3s but I'm not sure.

My 3s I believe both of those settings are on. I will check the D5 when I get home.
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Robert Hanashiro, Photographer
Los Angeles | CA | | Posted: 8:58 PM on 12.13.16
->> I have shot with the D5 and D500 upwards of ISO20000 with *very* good results.

First off, the images you posted appear at least a 1 stop under exposed. That would certainly contribute to increased noise.


Second, if the Active D-Light function features is on, that would explain why the images look flat.

I would recommend using noise reduction in post verses having it active in-camera.

Without having the actual file it's only a guess. But I would say that underexposing at high-ISO is the main issue. Contact an NPS tech rep and go over the settings in the cameras.
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David Dennis, Photographer
Bakersfield | Ca | US | Posted: 10:45 PM on 12.13.16
->> Both the my D3s and the D5 have Active D-Lighting turned off and the High ISO NR set to normal.

Thanks Robert, I will try and drop the shutter to get a better exposure and see what happens. I have another basketball game tomorrow night in another poorly lite gym.
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Stanley Leary, Photographer, Photo Editor
Roswell | GA | | Posted: 8:12 PM on 12.14.16
->> Crank the ISO up on the D5 it can handle it with no problem. You can shoot at least two stops greater than the D3s with the D5.
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Rudy Hardy, Photographer
Houston | Tx | USA | Posted: 9:53 PM on 12.14.16
->> I have the D5, D4s and had a D4. I can honestly say that shooting with the D5 at 12,000 ISO yields the same result as the D4 and D4s shot at ISO 4000-6000. The D5 does fall down when shooting at low ISO.
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Stanley Leary, Photographer, Photo Editor
Roswell | GA | | Posted: 7:46 AM on 12.15.16
->> I did my own test when I first got the D5 and compared it to the D4.

http://blog.stanleyleary.com/2016/04/nikon-d4-vs-nikon-d5-iso-comparison.ht...

I would say there is some similarity to D4, but when you get to those extremely high ISO of 102400 I don't think they compare.

Shooting Nikon D5 at an event with ISOs of 66535, 51200, 28800 etc

http://blog.stanleyleary.com/2016/04/shooting-nikon-d5-at-event-with-isos-o...

Nikon D5 with Candlelight Examples

http://blog.stanleyleary.com/2016/04/nikon-d5-with-candellight-examples.htm...
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Steve Ueckert, Photographer
Houston | TX | | Posted: 10:36 AM on 12.15.16
->> If shooting RAW and converting to a jpg in post, does it matter if any in-camera modifications such as Active D-Lighting or high ISO noise reduction are enabled? Isn't a RAW file just that?
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David Dennis, Photographer
Bakersfield | Ca | US | Posted: 11:04 AM on 12.15.16
->> I appreciate all the feedback. I made some adjustments last night and bumped the ISO on the D5 to 12800. So even though I was in a different venue and lighting I saw a huge difference. Was pretty stoked with everything.

Again thanks for all the feedback, much appreciated.
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Stanley Leary, Photographer, Photo Editor
Roswell | GA | | Posted: 3:13 PM on 12.15.16
->> Active D-Lighting I don't think can be read by Lightroom and you then would be correct that the RAW is pretty much untouched.

Now if you imported into Nikons NX2 that software does give you the option to keep the Active D-Lighting setting.
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Joey Terrill, Photographer
Los Angeles | CA | USA | Posted: 11:49 AM on 12.19.16
->> I came at the ISO capabilities of the D5 from a slightly different perspective, but the results may be of interest to anyone who needs to work at higher ISO settings. For the kind of work I do, the D5 had the the potential to reduce the amount of light volume I needed to use to make certain images. Practically speaking, if the camera could work at higher ISO settings, it would mean that Speedlights might be used in place of studio strobes, or LED lights might be a reality for portrait photography. If ISO 6400, 12800, 25,600, or higher were truly a possibility, then it would mean a complete rethinking of what gear might be necessary for a given situation.

So, I tested it.

I didn’t photograph bikini-clad models (sorry), but instead I photographed a standard and consistent target under controlled and repeatable conditions. As I raised the ISO from 50 to 102,400, both the standard and black noise tests revealed the true noise signature of the camera.

If you’re interested in the results, they be read here and the tests themselves can downloaded at full resolution:

http://penumbraproject.com/transformative-camera/
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David Dennis, Photographer
Bakersfield | Ca | US | Posted: 12:09 PM on 12.20.16
->> Well my time with the D5 has come to an end and thanks to much of the info here I was able to work through some of the issues I thought I was seeing. I was able to test the camera in many of the venues that I normally shoot in and also do some portrait work. In the end of it all, I was blown away with the results I was getting with the D5. Now the only bad news is I don't want to send the camera back, and so as a result my pocket book is now a little bit lighter. I should have my own D5 here on Thursday.

Thanks again for all the info!
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