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Cool Upgrade to Your Pelican Case
Kevin Krows, Photographer
Forsyth | IL | USA | Posted: 6:42 AM on 03.07.16
->> Pretty cool divider system for selected Pelican Cases
http://trekpak.com/pelican/

Video from Pelican that explains how to configure and install dividers.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZQU58lWvHA

I purchased a kit to upgrade my Pelican 1610.
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Jim Colburn, Photographer
Omaha | NE | USA | Posted: 7:21 PM on 03.07.16
->> They look nice, but a padded divider set made by Pelican for their 1600 case costs around $120 (http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/102376-REG/Pelican_1600_406_100_1605_...) whereas the TrekPak one costs around $145.
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Andrew Nelles, Photographer
Nashville | TN | usa | Posted: 1:22 AM on 03.08.16
->> Looks interesting. Definitely looks like an upgrade from the standard foam/velcro dividers. However, once you've cut out your design, I suppose you're locked in.
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Kevin Krows, Photographer
Forsyth | IL | USA | Posted: 3:38 AM on 03.08.16
->> Yep, $25 savings makes the padded divider set a much better deal since the two divider systems are essentially the same thing. Right? Low price always trumps increased functionality any day.
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Kevin Krows, Photographer
Forsyth | IL | USA | Posted: 4:22 AM on 03.08.16
->> @Andrew - according to the research I've done, the company provides a good supply of dividers so you'll have extra material to work with. They also indicate that you can purchase extra dividers directly from TrekPak.

The majority of time I use ThinkTank rollers. However, I would like to use my Pelican 1610 for a three light (Profoto B1's) setup and then change it for my baseball camera gear. I've always used a hard case in the dugout (it's been hit with bats and balls many times).

I'll keep you posted once my TrekPak kit arrives. I'll be glad to get rid of the crappy Pelican divider system I'm currently using.
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Preston Mack, Photographer
Orlando | FL | | Posted: 9:32 AM on 03.08.16
->> Thats pretty funny Kevin - I use the Pelican 1610 for my 2 Profoto B1s and my D1. It is a perfect fit for that kit.
I have the Pelican dividers, but would like another set. I would rather have 2 preset dividers sets ready, and swap them out rather than redoing it everytime I change the gear in the case. I may try out that Trek Pak. Thx.
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Jim Colburn, Photographer
Omaha | NE | USA | Posted: 11:34 AM on 03.08.16
->> Kevin, you have every right to spend more money to buy what is, essentially, the same thing. I have two of the Pelican divider sets and they work fine.

Of course, if the aesthetics of the TrekPak's black dividers wins out, for you, over the Pelican's dark grey system that's another thing entirely.
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Kevin Krows, Photographer
Forsyth | IL | USA | Posted: 6:05 AM on 03.09.16
->> Jim - My point was that the TrekPak is not "essentially the same thing" as the Pelican dividers when you look beyond price. You are taking a very commoditized view (a divider system is a divider system) and reducing your decision to the lowest common denominator.... price.

Second, if the aesthetics and color were the only things that were intriguing about the TrekPak system I would have never started this post. While I haven't received my TrekPak system yet, what intrigued me most was versatility, functionality, customization, and the speed in which you can change the dividers to accommodate a variety of different equipment configurations. Does that value proposition warrant the additional investment of $25? I believe that it does.

I don't like it when prospective clients commoditize the services I provide as a photographer (photographers are all the same ... so hire the one with the lowest price). If I commoditize the equipment I invest in or the vendors I buy them from, that would make me a hypocrite. I've never won an argument on price alone ... so you win. However, please don't presume to know the value proposition I (or others) might see in new products or suggest that I'm just finding a reason to piss my money out the window to support your argument.

Finally, over the years I've been Jim Colburn fan on Sportsshooter. You have some great posts and I enjoy looking at your work. That's what makes posting this message difficult. I'm not looking to stir it up with you. Only asking that you show a little more respect and appreciation for the thoughts, opinions, and decisions of others who may not see things the same way that you do. I felt that your "price only" statement sought to derail any chance that others might find this product of interest and value.
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Jim Colburn, Photographer
Omaha | NE | USA | Posted: 9:13 PM on 03.09.16
->> Thanks for being a fan, but please realize that my posting about a cheaper alternative was only that, a mention of another alternative that comes in about 20% less.

Is a mention of a Sigma 35mm/1.4 Art lens at $800 something sinister in a discussion about the $1800 Canon equivalent?

Is a note that a flight from DC to Dallas can be had from one airline at a 35% saving over another a bad thing?

I don't think so.

Let us know what you think about the TrekPak divider system when you have it in hand and have had the opportunity to use it.
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Kevin Krows, Photographer
Forsyth | IL | USA | Posted: 3:48 AM on 03.10.16
->> Jim - You still are not getting my point. It's your quick presumption that the product is "exactly the same" therefore making everything else, other than price, irrelevant.

After doing a complete due diligence, you discover that both products are identical, then it makes perfect sense to go with the lower price. If the products are not identical however, then the differences (value points) need be weighed against the difference in price.

>>35mm Lens

http://petapixel.com/2013/05/30/review-the-sigma-35mm-f1-4-dg-hsm-is-solid-.../

I would be concerned about the plastic construction and screws falling out. I would scratch my head about it being labeled as a "amateurs lens".


http://www.kenrockwell.com/sigma/35mm-f14.htm

I would be concerned Ken's comment, "The only reason for this lens is price, not quality."


http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/162614-USA/Canon_2512A002_Wide_Angle_...

I would look at the Canon 1.4L 35mm (Version I) which is still readily available New at $999.00 and has a great reputation as one of Canon's best professional lenses. 620 Reviews with 5 Star rating at B&H.

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1180801-REG/canon_9523b002_35mm_f_1_4...

As far as the newer version of the Canon 1.4L 35mm (Version II) at $1799.00 I would consider based on weather sealing and the reviews by actual users that indicate that image sharpness is better than it's previous version.

I would also pay close attention to the professional users that posted there first hand accounts in the reviews using the Sigma and why they purchased the Canon 1.4 35mm v.2

"I bought the 35mm Sigma art and loved the shots I got with it -- but I struggled mightily to get it to lock focus in low light (music venues). I missed some shots that would have been great because of this issue. I knew I was always going to be a little disappointed. I decided I either had to get comfortable with missing shots and sorting through blurry photos for the gems or hold my nose and pay the price to buy this lens.

I went for it! They say when you pay to buy the best you "only cry once". I guess that sums it up for me. I feel like I have the best 35mm wide aperture lens available."

AND

"I'm a wedding and portrait photographer and I love this lens. It's probably my most or second most used lens in my bag. I have the version 1 Canon 35mm f/1.4 and the Sigma 35mm Art. This by far feels and works better than both of those lenses. I used the Sigma for about 4 months and was dissatisfied with it. Don't make the mistake I did. Buy this lens first. It's worth the extra money.


http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/898831-REG/Sigma_340_101_35mm_f_1_4_D...

Finally, I would pay close attention to all of the reviews where "Focus Issues" were reported. While it has a 5 star rating and almost 300 reviews, focusing comes up a lot regardless of the overall rating that the user gave it.


>>Airline Ticket

As far as your airline ticket comparison, I most certainly wouldn't fly on an airline that had a reputation and history for poor service, maintenance issues, delays, etc.. to save 35%. Furthermore, if I were traveling with my wife or one of my kids, I wouldn't choose an airline that didn't have the seats together particularly on a flight that was 6 hours.
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Jim Colburn, Photographer
Omaha | NE | USA | Posted: 10:03 AM on 03.10.16
->> Kevin, you taking this whole thing way too far.

You seem to feel that I was making a personal attack on you, I wasn't. I was suggesting a possible alternative to the TrekPak dividers that you have ordered.

I have owned the Pelican dividers and found them to be well made, easy to customize and affordable. When you get your TrekPak dividers, try them out and review them.
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Kevin Krows, Photographer
Forsyth | IL | USA | Posted: 6:14 AM on 03.14.16
->> I received my TrekPak divider kit for my Pelican 1610 roller case. After starting to lay out the case for three Profoto B-1 500 lights, one camera body, and two lenses it was clear that I would not have enough long dividers to complete the configuration. As such, I had to order another long divider directly from TrekPak. Separate long dividers can be purchased under the "Accessories" tab on their web site. http://trekpak.com/

On a preliminary review, my thoughts are:

1. B&H needs to update their product descriptions for all TrekPak kits as they do not match the descriptions on the TrekPak web site.

TrekPak Web Site Description:

Contents of the TrekPak 1610 insert are:
-Two custom fit perimeter pieces for the Pelican 1610
-Two 8 inch dividers
-Two 23 inch dividers
-Cutter Tool
-30 pins with 30 red pull tabs
-Top and bottom foam

B&H Web Site Description:

This system comes with:
- two perimeter pieces
- two 15.75" dividers
- four 7.5" dividers
- two 5" dividers
- eight 3.5" dividers
- and 32 pins with 30 red pull tabs
- top and bottom foam layers.


2. Additional divider strips and pin paks can only be purchased directly from TrekPak on their accessory page.

3. B&H and other distributors do not stock the TrekPak kits. They are available on a special order basis and are drop shipped. No difference in price and free shipping is available regardless of where you buy. I would suggest that you place your order direct and add one or two long dividers to your order particularly if you plan to configure your case for different equipment setups like I'm doing.

4. The two perimeter pieces did not fit exactly to my Pelican 1610 case. I had to use the cutter tool and trim 1/8" off each piece to get them to fit correctly. I also had to cut notches in the corners of the perimeter piece at the end of the case (1/4" high x 2" long)where the wheel wells are located. I used scissors to make this cut. This allowed the perimeter pieces to both fit flush to the top of the Pelican case (bottom half).

5. The TrekPak dividers had a distinct odor to them that smelled like the epoxy cement that they used to glue the foam to the corrugated backer board. I left the dividers outside for 8 hours and the odor is much less noticeable. My nose, eyes, and sinuses have always been sensitive to chemical orders.

6. Measure twice cut once (carpenter's rule). The metal horseshoe clips are not forgiving if you cut a piece too short (even by one slot which is about 1/8"). Just take your time and measure and mark your cuts carefully and you'll be fine.

7. The difference in price between the Pelican divider "hook and loop" kit for the 1610 and the TrekPak kit is actually $50.00 (not $25 as Jim Colburn indicated). With the additional 23" long divider that I had to purchase ($15 ea) the difference is $65.00.

I'll post my final thoughts, summary, and conclusions once my additional divider arrives and I have had the chance to build and work with the two configurations I want for my hard case needs. They are:

Location Lighting Kit (large jobs)-

- 3 Profoto B-1 500 lights
- 6 Profoto B-1 Batteries
- 2 Profoto Air Remotes
- 2 Canon 1DX Camera Body
- 1 Canon 2.8L 70-200mm IS lens
- 1 Canon 4.0L 24-105mm IS lens

Baseball/Softball Kit (protect gear from bats, helmets, foul balls, and dirt when stored in dugouts) Camera bodies should be attached to primary lenses to minimize dirt and dust from getting into the camera body or rear element of lenses.

- 3 Canon 1DX Camera Bodies
- Canon 2.8L 400mm IS (body attached) *Baseball*
or ... Canon 2.8L 300mm IS (body attached) *Softball*
- Canon 2.8L 70-200mm IS (body attached)
- Canon 2.8L 24-105mm IS (body attached)
- Canon 2.8L 16-35
- Canon 1.4 teleconverter
- Canon 2.0 teleconverter
- Canon 600EX-RT Speedlight
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Michael Clark, Photographer
Santa Fe | NM | USA | Posted: 12:44 PM on 03.14.16
->> I have been using these TrekPak dividers for a long time now. I love them as they keep everything much more organized. I did a review of the TrekPak dividers a few years ago in my Spring 2013 Newsletter, which can be downloaded here:

http://www.michaelclarkphoto.com/spring_2013.pdf
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Kevin Krows, Photographer
Forsyth | IL | USA | Posted: 1:19 PM on 03.14.16
->> Michael - 38 pages IS NOT A FREAKING NEWSLETTER. It's called a book!!!!

That review, as well other content, is outstanding stuff!!!! Really enjoyed reading it!!

Best!
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Kevin Krows, Photographer
Forsyth | IL | USA | Posted: 8:01 AM on 03.18.16
->> Here's a link for the three configurations I was looking to create with the TrekPak Dividers for the Pelican 1610 Hard Rolling Case.

http://www.kevinkrows.com/pelican-1610-trekpak-dividers.pdf

I think Michael Clark has done an outstanding job with his review. I would encourage you to read it to get an overall perspective of the TrekPak Divider system. I'll limit my final thoughts as they relate to my specific project with the Pelican 1610.

1. My total investment in the TrekPak divider system included one 1610 kit and four extra 23" long dividers. Total cost including shipping was $221.00. The extra dividers were necessary to create a customized configuration for my large lighting location and my baseball/softball kits.

2. Changing out my case from my large lighting kit to my baseball / softball kit takes less than 5 minutes. Switching from baseball to softball kit involves moving one divider so it takes about 30 seconds to complete.

3. It was never my intention to present the TrekPak divider system as a "lower cost". There is always an option to do things cheaper (pick-n-pluck) and even free (used bubble wrap). TrekPak is for those wanting greater versatility, utility, organization, and customization of their hard cases. I have never had a problem "monetizing" value and return on investment on qualifiers. If price is your only qualifier then the TrekPak divider system is not for you.

Hope this information is helpful to anyone looking to customize their Pelican hard case and increase its usefulness in your business.
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Preston Mack, Photographer
Orlando | FL | | Posted: 4:47 PM on 03.18.16
->> Kevin - Thanks for showing the different configurations.
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Michael Clark, Photographer
Santa Fe | NM | USA | Posted: 6:59 PM on 03.18.16
->> Thanks Kevin for the kudos on the Newsletter. There are twelve years worth of Newsletters (as it is one of my main marketing pieces) on my website and all of them have equipment reviews. You can download back issues here on my website:

http://www.michaelclarkphoto.com/NEWSLETTER/BACK-ISSUES/1
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David Seelig, Photographer
Hailey | ID | USA | Posted: 3:10 PM on 03.24.16
->> On the other hand for those of us who have a bunch of think tank packs take your extra inserts and piece together your own system. Cost free
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Kevin Krows, Photographer
Forsyth | IL | USA | Posted: 7:14 AM on 03.25.16
->> Bubble wrap and duct tape is also another free option.
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David Seelig, Photographer
Hailey | ID | USA | Posted: 12:03 PM on 03.25.16
->> kevin but that is a lot of work
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Kevin Krows, Photographer
Forsyth | IL | USA | Posted: 4:57 PM on 03.25.16
->> Hey David ... Free is Free :)
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David Seelig, Photographer
Hailey | ID | USA | Posted: 3:21 PM on 03.28.16
->> That implies you have a lot of bubble wrap lying around . Otherwise it costs LOL
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Jim Colburn, Photographer
Omaha | NE | USA | Posted: 3:23 PM on 03.28.16
->> Bubble wrap and rubber bands is a REUSABLE free option...
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David Seelig, Photographer
Hailey | ID | USA | Posted: 3:26 PM on 03.28.16
->> PS Kevin bad form using Rockwell as a source about anything he is the Chuck Norris of the photo world after all. But as for the 35 Canon L version 1 does not compare to the sigma. The Sigma is much sharper wide open it is no contest at all. I have read the new version is better then the sigma but version1 is a joke next to the sigma I shot both at the same time sold my canon.
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Jim Colburn, Photographer
Omaha | NE | USA | Posted: 3:27 PM on 03.28.16
->> Did you know that a Pelican 1600 case will hold a case (12 bottles) of wine, each 750ml bottle being cosseted in bubble wrap?

The case's waterproof seal will also stop any leakage if one of the bottles is damaged in transit.
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Randy Sartin, Photographer, Assistant
Knoxville | TN | USA | Posted: 8:49 PM on 03.28.16
->> Wait, what the heck is wrong with Chuck Norris??? :)
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Otto Kitsinger, Photographer
Boise | ID | US | Posted: 10:25 PM on 03.28.16
->> If Chuck Norris glances sideways at his Pelican case, the dividers re-arrange themselves to avoid upsetting him.

More seriously - Kevin, I greatly appreciate your detailed notes and review on the TrekPak system; I learned a lot from it, thank you.
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Steve Puppe, Photographer
Olathe | KS | USA | Posted: 8:00 AM on 08.25.16
->> Anyone using the Pelican Air cases?
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Stanley Leary, Photographer, Photo Editor
Roswell | GA | | Posted: 8:44 AM on 08.25.16
->> I just looked at them after Steve posted about them here. Let me just say that the main reason I went away from using Pelicans was due to weight.

The weight of the new cases seem to be more inline with their competition like ThinkTank.

I can say if I were buying now the water proof and hard case design with same weight might just win me over.

Just reading this on their website had my attention:

• Drop-tested on concrete with loads from six feet on all sides and corners
• Submerged for 30 minutes at a depth of one meter
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Steve Puppe, Photographer
Olathe | KS | USA | Posted: 9:34 AM on 08.25.16
->> The Air cases seem a little lighter than HPRC cases. The HPRC cases have a few other features that are nice and seem to be less expensive than the Air cases but they don't have the TrekPak kits for most of them. I really like the size of the 1605 Air case but it doesn't have the built in wheels of the 1615.
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