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Photoshop dropping file info
Andrew Brosig, Photo Editor, Photographer
Tyler | TX | United States | Posted: 7:43 PM on 02.16.16
->> Has anybody ever had Photoshop drop file info/captions when going from one platform to another? I process images on a Macbook, using PS5, with the latest Mac OS. Our sports guys lay out on Windows-based machines. Every so often, when they open one of my images to place it and go to the file info to grab the caption, it's not there. All of the data, item lanes, headers, etc., is gone. I don't know what version of PS they are using. It's freaking me out because, of course, I'm getting blamed for not writing captions. Thanks.
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Doug Strickland, Photographer
Chattanooga | TN | USA | Posted: 8:20 PM on 02.16.16
->> You're not doing "Save for Web" are you? There's an option there that will keep/remove IPTC and metadata, and I've noticed in Photoshop Elements the option simply doesn't exist, and it strips most of the IPTC no matter what. I haven't used Photoshop lately as I favor Lightroom, but maybe there is a similar option in the normal save dialog?

Are you using Photoshop to apply your IPTC, or are using Photomechanic? I've found that Photomechanic also seems to be more reliable on that front.
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Andrew Brosig, Photo Editor, Photographer
Tyler | TX | United States | Posted: 8:34 PM on 02.16.16
->> Saving as straight, cmyk .jpg images. I typically write my captions in photomechanic while I'm editing the images. Just a faster workflow for me that way. Plus, the captions stay with the original images when archiving.

It doesn't happen every time. I can't figure out what's happening because I don't change the photomechanic or photoshop settings. The last time it happened, I was in a hurry at the end of a 12-hour day, so wrote the cutlines in photoshop.
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Doug Strickland, Photographer
Chattanooga | TN | USA | Posted: 9:01 PM on 02.16.16
->> By captioning while editing, do you mean you caption in PM while you also have the photo open in PS for toning? If so, I wonder if it has something to do with captioning at the same time as the editing. I don't know how exactly captions are stored in image files, but I'd bet that's your problem if the two programs are both accessing the file at the same time.

Another thought, do you edit images straight off your card, or do you ingest onto your laptop before you edit?

I don't mean this to sound accusatory, but Photomechanic also doesn't always save caption info when writing captions and moving to the next file if you're using an *ahem* pirated copy of the software. I'm just spitballing at this point, but it's worth mentioning.
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Andrew Brosig, Photo Editor, Photographer
Tyler | TX | United States | Posted: 7:25 AM on 02.17.16
->> Licensed copy of PM. But I should probably define the way I use the term "Editing."

I "Edit" a shoot, after ingesting onto the hard drive, and then I "process" the images I've selected. Only after going through the shoot and selecting my faves, captioning them, do I open them in PS.

As I said, this has only happened a couple of times. Otherwise, for the other five to eight photo shoots I do each day (seriously), everything comes out fine. And it only happens with sports images.

But we have different systems between the news desk and sports desk. The news desk uses a content management system where text and images are all attached to one file, then imported into quark as a unit. Sports can't or won't use this system, so they still import/place text and images separately. (Both desks are using Windows-based system for pagination.)

I'm at a loss.
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Stanley Leary, Photographer, Photo Editor
Roswell | GA | | Posted: 8:21 AM on 02.17.16
->> Are the captions there in PhotoShop before you save them for the last time before sending?

I for instance will ingest into PhotoMechanic and after basic caption editing and culling the images down to the selects import that into Lightroom.

During the Import process you have to be sure you have no changes happening to the images. There are boxes for changing the IPTC. You want that unchecked.

When you export from Lightroom this same thing can happen again.

I mention this because there are a few times in the workflow where IPTC can be changed.

Unless someone is sitting right next to you as you do this I can be pretty sure a checked box is either checked or unchecked.

Another possibility is your software needs to be reinstalled, because it is corrupted.
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Doug Strickland, Photographer
Chattanooga | TN | USA | Posted: 8:57 AM on 02.17.16
->> That's definitely weird, Andrew. Is your Photo Mechanic software up to date? It sounds like it may be your sports desk's system and not you, but Stanley's suggestion of reinstalling software is a good idea.
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Andrew Brosig, Photo Editor, Photographer
Tyler | TX | United States | Posted: 9:32 AM on 02.19.16
->> It cropped up again, this time on the news desk CMS, on two photos out of a series of about 12 I uploaded. I've taken to checking each image before I upload/move for the desks.

The only think I can figure is I possibly hit either the cancel button instead of the save button, but I"m usually very careful about that. Or perhaps I hit the arrow (in PM) that moves but doesn't save instead of the save and move botton.

PM is up to date. I'm just really confused. Thanks for the input from the community.
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Otto Kitsinger, Photographer
Boise | ID | US | Posted: 12:04 PM on 02.19.16
->> If you hit the next button in PM and you had made caption changes, it'll ask you if you want to save those changes. So scratch that off the list.

I had a situation a few years ago where PM and PS were writing two different sets of caption data - one the newer embedded XMP format and one the older IPTC-IIM format - and depending on the order of when an image was in what app, I could end up with the caption in the second embedded set and a client's system was only trying to read the first set. I would have to do some real digging for the details but if I remember correctly, at the time there was no fix for PS, but in PM, there's a lot of flexibility on this - if you go into preferences to the IPTC/XMP panel, you can tell it, among other settings, to read embedded IPTC before XMP or the other way around; you can tell it to embed IPTC or not; with images with multiple IPTC records you can tell it to update either the first or last one.

It's possible changing the settings on "add embedded IPTC" and for multiples reading the first or last one might either fix it, or break it more, which would at least help tell you're in the right direction of the problem. If nothing else, perhaps ponder if the workflow on images with missing captions was slightly different and a different app could have touched it, or in a different order, and made a second embedded IPTC record, and caused that second blank one to be the one your client is trying to read.
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Sam Morris, Photographer
Las Vegas | NV | USA | Posted: 9:04 PM on 02.19.16
->> It could be on your desk's end, especially if they are using PM as well. I've had a couple times when a client asked me to send caption information when I sent the images fully captioned. We traded screen shots of the IPTC stationary, mine was filled out and theirs was blank. The thing I thought may be the problem, but never verified, was that maybe they were ingesting them into PM with blank IPTC stationary instead of just opening them. Oh, and the last time it happened the file names had all been changed as well. So maybe check and see what their workflow is.
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Andrew Brosig, Photo Editor, Photographer
Tyler | TX | United States | Posted: 8:52 AM on 02.20.16
->> Got a weird idea in my head this morning and tried an experiment. I captioned an image directly from the card in photo mechanic, filling out all the fields I normally use, then opened it in Photoshop. I saved it, as usual, to my desktop, quit Photoshop, then reopened the image. All the info I'd put in in Photo Mechanic was gone, replaced with just basic copywriter info, I guessing the software reads in from my system.

Tried the same thing again, opening directly from PM, after hitting the "Save and go" button in the IPTC preview. Again, the info did NOT save and was gone in Photoshop.

Think I may have found the issue. Data being saved when ingesting, but not when opening directly from the card. I'll try Otto's suggestion and check those preferences.

Sam: Desk not using PM. Not sure they'd even know how. Sports desk either opens in Photoshop and copies the caption info, or pulls directly into Quark, which I'm not sure can import caption info. (Been long time since I've used Quark.)

I've taken to double-checking all my images to be sure the caption info is there after I upload them to the CMS/servers. Pain in the butt for workflow, but I'm tired of getting yelled at.

Thanks
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Kiel Maddox, Photographer
Fresno | CA | USA | Posted: 12:10 PM on 02.20.16
->> I was taught by another photographer (and I assume this is why he does it this way) to ingest, save the photos you want to their own folder, then open those images in photoshop (while keeping photo mechanic open), make your edits such as post processing, then move back to photo mechanic which will have the photos updated to your edits, and then add the IPTC information.
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Stanley Leary, Photographer, Photo Editor
Roswell | GA | | Posted: 9:52 PM on 02.20.16
->> My workflow most always ingests all the images with basic IPTC information and then while on deadline say for wire service I go to those 3 to 6 images and work more on those captions.

Here is my workflow where I use PhotoMechanic and Lightroom:

http://blog.stanleyleary.com/2013/06/photomechanic-is-must-have-for.html

This is a more comprehensive post showing how I also archive those images in two places DVD and Hard Drives.

I didn't mention that for my portfolio images and favorites are on my PhotoShelter account.

http://blog.stanleyleary.com/2011/12/my-digital-workflow.html
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Kevin M. Cox, Photographer
Galveston & Houston | TX | US | Posted: 12:02 AM on 02.21.16
->> Andrew you've figured it out. By default Photo Mechanic will not write any information to images still on a memory card.

You can override the setting in the Preferences -- > Files by checking the box for:
"Allow modification of files on Camera Disks ( not recommended ! )"

You'll get a big popup with an explanation of why it is not recommended.


So if you think all the times this has occurred was when the image was not copied/ingested off the card prior to captioning then case closed. If you think it also happened to images that were on your computer then we'll need to keep investigating.
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Andrew Brosig, Photo Editor, Photographer
Tyler | TX | United States | Posted: 7:28 AM on 02.22.16
->> Kevin:

I'm sure that's what happened with the sports photos. What I'm not sure about is the photos that went through the content management system to the news desk. Sports has said it has happened "numerous" times with images, but could only point to the ones where I was tired and in a hurry to get out of Dodge and went straight from the card without downloading/ingesting first.

But I think you're right. I think that is the culprit. I can't remember, but didn't older versions of PM allow you to caption/save info straight from the camera disk?

Thanks everyone for helping me track this down.
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