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Sports Illustrated again...
David Evertsen, Photographer
Orlando | Fl | USA | Posted: 12:58 AM on 01.16.16
->> Three weeks before the Superbowl and after the Time Contract debacle.. When does it end???

http://www.poynter.org/2015/sports-illustrated-cuts-entire-photojournalism-.../
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David Evertsen, Photographer
Orlando | Fl | USA | Posted: 1:11 AM on 01.16.16
->> Sorry for the incorrect link.. Here is the link from this year..

http://www.diyphotography.net/sports-illustrated-lays-off-director-of-photo.../
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Gene Boyars, Photographer
Manalapan | NJ | United States | Posted: 12:25 AM on 01.17.16
->> If you do not employ any photographers and you are now really relying on lots of stuff coming in from agencies and wire services why do you need a director of photography? All you really need is some kids looking for break willing to stay up late and pour through images as they watch the game and look for the key moments.... Ok, that is from my 3 semesters as an accounting major... but seriously, I going to guess that is what the bean counters at Time are thinking now.
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Doug Pizac, Photographer
Sandy | UT | USA | Posted: 10:30 AM on 01.17.16
->> Taking a close look at the Super Bowl photo credits may reveal the future.
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Sam Santilli, Photographer, Photo Editor
Philippi | WV | USA | Posted: 1:15 PM on 01.17.16
->> And we all thought 15 years ago GWC's were cute & fun to make fun of. Looks like the downward spiral continues from on high,while the bottom feeders keep creeping up the chain.
Are the powers at SI/Time, Inc going to pick the best SB images from a pot luck of shooters feeding them images play by play with the hope of getting a per image fee? Or bid it out to the shooters who will work for credit and no pay at all?
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Doug Pizac, Photographer
Sandy | UT | USA | Posted: 2:18 PM on 01.17.16
->> Sam...

From an economics standpoint, which is more profitable to the bean counters/management? Paying top dollar for a couple pro photographers that will produce several dozen top grade images of which you only need a dozen, or for a much lesser cost edit through thousands of images by agencies for that dozen? They'll have AP, USATSI, Getty, newspapers, etc. at their beckon call.

For the past several years AP alone has uploaded over a thousand images to its servers from game day that are available for licensing. And I'm sure USATSI will be right up there too. If SI is a USATSI "subscriber" then the photographers who have their images showcased in the magazine won't get a penny in royalty splits because their $125 flat fee is the remuneration for subscriber used content.

As to picking the SB images from a pot luck of shooters, they are mostly supplied by USATSI and Getty from what I see on the SB Nation website.
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Marvin Gentry, Photographer
Birmingham | AL | USA | Posted: 4:04 PM on 01.17.16
->> Doug , The flat fee is for internet usage and gannett properties only. If it goes into print you will still the royalty fee just like all other outlets do.
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Doug Pizac, Photographer
Sandy | UT | USA | Posted: 11:17 PM on 01.17.16
->> Marvin...

Not according to the contract I know of. The flat fee covers subscriber usage, and there is no definition of what a subscriber is or isn't in the contract. The royalty is split is for ala carte sales only.

And what about all the Reuters newspaper clients that USATSI supplies its sports images for?

If there is a new contract that defines subscribers as only internet and Gannett properties I would love to see it as well as several current USATSI shooters I know.
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Brad Mangin, Photographer
Pleasanton | CA | USA | Posted: 11:35 PM on 01.17.16
->> It really doesn't matter anyway as all wires only get 50 bucks per picture that runs in the magazine no matter how big or how small. Doesn't matter if it is a cover, double truck, or mug shot. Then the photographer gets a split of that, depending on how shitty their contract is with their given agency.

There is no money in editorial sports photography.
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Sam Santilli, Photographer, Photo Editor
Philippi | WV | USA | Posted: 12:33 PM on 01.18.16
->> Doug, I am not citing what is cheaper for them to do...we all know the suits want it as cheap as possible.

When price is a bigger concern than quality at an industry standard like SI, that bell you hear ringing is the 15th round ending.
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Stanley Leary, Photographer, Photo Editor
Roswell | GA | | Posted: 5:09 PM on 01.18.16
->> Subscriptions are dropping. It isn't just bean counters saving money. It is lack of growth of readers. Great images are not bringing more readers and subscribers.
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Stanley Leary, Photographer, Photo Editor
Roswell | GA | | Posted: 5:12 PM on 01.18.16
->> Brad

Can you address the issues with the website? You are on staff and people have been complaining for more than month.

What's up? You guys paying attention or just collecting the checks?
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Mark Loundy, Photo Editor, Photographer
San Jose | CA | USA | Posted: 9:41 PM on 01.18.16
->> What Stanley said. The difference between the work of an elite sports shooter and a merely OK shooter, is lost on the typical reader. There is no business reason to continue to pay for the best.

The mourning is restricted to those within the profession. Nobody else cares.

--Mark
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Robert Beck, Photographer
Carlsbad | CA | USA | Posted: 12:09 AM on 01.20.16
->> BTW...SI Super Bowl shooters were grandfathered in prior to the 2016 contract. This weekend's NFL championship games were not. Only photographers who have signed the new contract will be able to shoot the AFC and NFC championship games.
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Sam Morris, Photographer
Las Vegas | NV | USA | Posted: 3:18 PM on 01.20.16
->> Brad, you are wrong when you say, "There is no money in editorial sports photography." If someone dropped a few pennies on the ground, would you say, "There is no money on the ground."?

:-)
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