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Digital images can't be trusted, says Don McCullin
Jim Colburn, Photographer
Omaha | NE | USA | Posted: 10:35 PM on 11.27.15
->> http://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/2015/nov/27/don-mccullin-war-photog...
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Chuck Liddy, Photographer, Photo Editor
PLANET | EARTH | | Posted: 12:21 AM on 11.29.15
->> I found this an interesting quote.... "McCullin particularly dislikes how digital cameras allow for manipulation of colours." All of his photos in the article are black & white. Something that isn't addressed, in my humble opinion, is that since the advent of Photoshop ALL images cannot be trusted...you have to depend on the integrity of the shooter.
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Will Powers, Photographer
Denver | CO | USA | Posted: 2:14 PM on 11.29.15
->> It is certainly true that it depends on the systems in place: The integrity of the photographer, the photo editor and anyone else in the post processing end of things. It also depends on where the image lands.
As we have seen in Time and Newsweek years ago, the image of O.J. Simpson was manipulated differently before using on the cover.
When I first got into the industry at a college newspaper, my editor instructed me to dodge and burn in order to focus the viewers attention. Never liked the idea.
I think it is true that people exaggerate colors in color photos. A nationally recognized photographer who routine publishes books once told me that "that's the way I saw it when I shot it," but the camera wasn't able to record it the way he saw it.
I think Sean Elliot said it well on Al Tielemens Facebook post in regard to the democratization of photography. Now that everyone owns a camera, there is less input on the manipulation of images by the shooters, editors and publishers.
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Mark Loundy, Photo Editor, Photographer
San Jose | CA | USA | Posted: 8:34 AM on 11.30.15
->> Here's what I wrote on Al's page:

Do any photojournalists with both film and digital experience share McCullin's point of view? I haven't seen any in response to this article.

The danger of his opinion is that it devalues the human in the process. There were untold examples of film-based deception. Putting the burden on the technology (as Reuters recently did) perpetuates the "Nice picture, you must have a really great camera," image of photography.

Thanks a bunch, Don.

Perhaps a response to The Guardian is in order.

--Mark
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Michael Myers, Photographer
Miami | Florida | USA | Posted: 11:38 AM on 11.30.15
->> Hmmm... I agree with him. I don't "trust" photos that I see, as such an overwhelming number of them are manipulated. You can totally change the look of something you just snapped with your phone!

Years ago, similar things could be done, but you had to have a darkroom, and the knowledge to do all the right things with it. Now a 8 year old kid can do anything to/with an image.

I guess for me, it's "consider the source". Some sources are more trustworthy than others.


......and as to color? Yikes! Even on my D750, I can select SCENE or EFFECTS mode, and get results that are the opposite of what I want to do with photography.

I guess I'm also guilty - in Lightroom, I try to make a photo look the way I "saw it".


Then again, I read a lot about Ansel Adams years ago, and his "final prints" didn't look anything like the original image from his camera. I'll never be able to be like him, but I can still try to do the best I can.

(I finally settled this in my own mind - there are "photographs" (for photojournalists, news, etc.) and there are "photo illustrations" for magazines, and hobbyists.
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Sam Santilli, Photographer, Photo Editor
Philippi | WV | USA | Posted: 5:47 PM on 11.30.15
->> This all started with cave people drawing on the walls of their caves.
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Will Powers, Photographer
Denver | CO | USA | Posted: 6:26 PM on 11.30.15
->> Michael Myers- There is certainly a difference based on the end user, newspaper, wire service, magazine or book, personal use etc. Some services have different limits than others.
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Dylan Wilson, Photographer, Assistant
Savannah | GA | USA | Posted: 7:14 PM on 11.30.15
->> Jerry Uelsmann has been creating beautiful photo manipulations using only his darkroom for 50+ years...

http://www.uelsmann.net/
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Will Powers, Photographer
Denver | CO | USA | Posted: 10:33 PM on 11.30.15
->> Dylan, he didn't try to tell anyone that the photos were editorial. The photos were art, not photojournalism
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David A. Cantor, Photographer, Photo Editor
Toledo | OH | USA | Posted: 5:43 PM on 12.01.15
->> Good thing all that manipulation never happened before digital....

http://petapixel.com/2015/12/01/this-1907-article-describes-how-photos-were.../
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Dylan Wilson, Photographer, Assistant
Savannah | GA | USA | Posted: 3:14 PM on 12.02.15
->> @David Cantor

Oh yeah, I know. Just saying that complex photo manipulations have been around long before digital.
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Jim Colburn, Photographer
Omaha | NE | USA | Posted: 7:39 PM on 12.03.15
->> Why the "@" before David Cantor?
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Dylan Wilson, Photographer, Assistant
Savannah | GA | USA | Posted: 11:04 AM on 12.04.15
->> Jim - I made a mistake. I was actually replying to Will Powers. This message board does not allowing for editing of posts.
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