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A new low in Sports photography
Ed Chan, Photographer
San Diego | CA | US | Posted: 3:39 PM on 10.06.15
->> Geez, sports photography is not what it was: https://www.facebook.com/SwatchBeachVolleyballMajorSeries/photos/ms.c.eJxFk...~;xt7LeVOf3qGSNC12fS8RcSiP01WCQF0r8cWVadiA7G5n19z6klHj~_yHDd~;~_IGn24p5~;DK6fe~;sh2WI4~_1frbVcefuySzK13K8bLJ3HnIZqByvvlr33evGOQTDR5ax~;pevoTeO5TefEHjF5D5g~-~-.bps.a.508265526011248.1073741859.375507509287051/508265539344580/?type=3&theater
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Doug Pizac, Photographer
Sandy | UT | USA | Posted: 8:33 PM on 10.06.15
->> Actually, that photo is rather tame. Here are a couple from the late Dave Martin from when he covered volleyball during the 2004 Olympics in Athens.

http://www.apimages.com/metadata/Index/Associated-Press-Sports-Greece-Olymp...

http://www.apimages.com/metadata/Index/Associated-Press-Sports-Greece-Olymp...

And these are tame compared to others he showed me but never transmitted when we were there covering the games.
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Robert Hanashiro, Photographer
Los Angeles | CA | | Posted: 3:55 AM on 10.07.15
->> This is very unprofessional ...

Ahhh ... there's the word that apparently is missing here?

The web galleries during major tournaments and the Summer Olympics are even worse.

The way to stop this?

EDITORS!
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Doug Pizac, Photographer
Sandy | UT | USA | Posted: 10:32 AM on 10.07.15
->> Robert...

I agree with you. Unfortunately, there is a more powerful word than "editors." It is MONEY. These type photos sell.
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Richard Uhlhorn, Photographer
Chelan Falls | WA | USA | Posted: 12:40 PM on 10.08.15
->> I agree... not usable in my book on any level.
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Tim Cowie, Photographer, Photo Editor
Davidson | NC | USA | Posted: 8:23 AM on 10.09.15
->> I don't disagree with any of the comments. On the other hand, photographers are asked by editors, etc. for these photos. FIVB/AVP, etc., sell sex and promote these types of photos.

Editors get mad if your uploads don't have enough of these photos.

Not condoning, just saying that I don't believe it is being driven by the photographer.
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Jed Strahm, Photographer
Phoenix | AZ | USA | Posted: 3:28 AM on 10.11.15
->> Just recently heard someone talking about the ruling by the last summer olympics to allow them to wear shorts, I read this article to confirm what I heard....

http://www.forbes.com/sites/johnclarke/2012/07/29/despite-protests-and-new-.../
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Tom Szczerbowski, Photographer
London | ON | Canada | Posted: 2:27 AM on 10.12.15
->> Wait, didn't beach volleyball debut in the Olympics in the '90s ? I've been seeing these kinds of pictures since the Chretien administration so not sure why this has spawned sudden scorn in the fall of 2015.

Without climbing atop Mount Pious, I will concede that -- after the thirteenth viewing -- I also find these kinds of pictures quite tasteless, but here's my advice: try to decide to not let it bother you.
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Kevin Krows, Photographer
Forsyth | IL | USA | Posted: 10:10 AM on 10.12.15
->> Personally, I think it's a two edge sword. Photographers using a little more common sense and the Olympics considering more conservative uniforms for the athletes that would put the focus on the athlete and the game itself. Just saying.
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Doug Pizac, Photographer
Sandy | UT | USA | Posted: 11:43 AM on 10.12.15
->> I read somewhere there is IOC talk about going to shorts instead of bikinis as an option.

In the meantime, let's throw another wrench in the decency mix discussion; and keep in mind that the U.S. is far more puritanical than Europe and other countries in these matters. Just as female volleyball players wear bikinis, so do their track colleagues where some are just as skimpy and form fitting. If you throw shorts on them then they are sure to protest as the baggy attire will certainly create wind drag thereby slowing them down. And in that sport just 1/100th of a second can be the difference between a win or loss and possibly a new world record.

All this comes down to one thing: follow the money. If there wasn't a market for these type photos then they would not be available for sale. But they are. And it doesn't matter what the photographers photograph or the editors edit. It is what the corporate execs want -- revenue. And as long as there are clients out there wanting to pay for these type pictures there will always be companies like AP, Getty, USATSI, Corbis, etc. who will be happy to license the images to them. Why? Money.

Just look at how newspaper coverage is changing. Instead of old fashion news sense, stories are being decided by demographics, focus groups, advertisers, social media, etc. in order to increase circulation and advertising thereby increasing revenues. Instead of editing down a game to a half dozen good/great photos, dozens to 100+ so-so images are put in galleries to create clicks where each click earns money for the paper. For NFL games hundreds of photos are transmitted from each game by AP shooters -- not for newspaper publishing use, but for licensing and sales -- and the same goes for entertainment coverage. The consumer appetite is enormous, especially for Yahoo, Google and other online entities that generate click revenue because of mobile devices, streaming, etc. that satisfy a new generation of viewers who have the attention span of a gnat and need a constant flow of content.

Those in charge of our beloved industry no longer have black ink in their veins. Their blood's color is green -- green for money -- which is why we have so many layoffs, frozen salaries, diminished benefits, etc. in order to increase profits and a return on the money that hedge fund groups invested when they bought newspapers for their once 30+% profit margin. Look at how Gannett and others have spun off their money losing newspaper groups from their profitable broadcast holdings. It wasn't for the good of the employees or readership.

All of it comes down to follow the money. From a decency stance making these type pictures makes no sense. But from a business stance they make perfect cent$.
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