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What has happened to SportShooter??
Marvin Gentry, Photographer
Birmingham | AL | USA | Posted: 9:50 PM on 07.15.15
->> What has happened to SportShooter? This used to be a website to visit many times on a daily basis seeing new threads with questions and lots of equipment for sale, now when you come to it, you rarely see any new threads and if you do no one hardly ever responds to them. There is not hardly any newly listed equipment listed on a daily or weekly basis. Its like there is no new information except maybe every month or so. I do understand that a few people have gotten tired of the few members that do not have anything better to do but belittle some of the posters and people that reply to the listings, other sites make them tone down their comments or they ask them to leave. So we pay $25.00 a year for a membership here and but get more out information out of free sites. Come on admins do an upgrade so that we want to continue our subscriptions.
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Steve Conner, Photographer
Eagle | iD | USA | Posted: 10:49 PM on 07.15.15
->> It is sad because this site was truly a great resource at one time.
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Travis Haughton, Photographer
Oak Park | IL | USA | Posted: 11:38 PM on 07.15.15
->> Answer: Virtually nothing has happened to the site in the last decade.

The site still looks exactly like it did in 2004 when I was pumped to be shooting with a digital SLR with THREE autofocus points and newspapers still had staff photographers.
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Doug Strickland, Photographer
Chattanooga | TN | USA | Posted: 12:43 AM on 07.16.15
->> I have to agree. Even when I first joined in 2009 SportsShooter was still a thriving community, but lately I find myself wondering why I bother paying $25 a year for my membership. For instance, I posted a legitimate question over a month ago about the ethics of using photoshop's newish "Dehaze" filter for news photos and got three replies, none of which were terribly helpful (things like "it works great, I tried it for some non-news photos") and the thread died until it got randomly revived today. Most of the people whose opinions I respect seem to have disappeared, and the message board seems to be populated with repostings of news from other places with little follow-up discussion. Databases are out of date, clip contests are behind (latest winning entries are from May?) and where did the newsletter go?
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Steven E. Frischling, Photographer
New England | | | Posted: 7:57 AM on 07.16.15
->> Marvin,

More than a year ago this question was asked an the founders promised there were updates being worked on, and that we would see them shortly.

There is no moderation. The "Informative, Funny, Huh? Off Topic, Inappropriate" was supposed to help keep members in line, but it does absolutely nothing. Some members are allowed to bully, some revel in the number of times they can be inappropriate.

SportsShooter was a great resource and has the potential to be a great resource with some changes. Everyone has an ID number, if you look at your URL when you go to your page, I am #44, so I have been around a while and this site has barely changed. The last real change I recall was the addition of the message boards. The founders say they have other time commitments, and i am sure that is true ... but it would seem they just grew bored of their own project and moved on rather than advancing it and driving its viability.

They can bring it back to life by engaging the member to help provide the content, but that is really a clique, and is largely unreceptive to others seeking to assist them.

SportShooter could use other social channels to drive the traffic and bolster the conversation, they could make content more sharable on three primary platforms allowing this content , both "staff" created and member created, to flow outwards which in turn drives people back, or work with sponsors for eCommerce flowing through the site ... but they would have to remember that SportsShooter still exists to do that.
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Chuck Liddy, Photographer, Photo Editor
PLANET | EARTH | | Posted: 6:05 PM on 07.17.15
->> I wasn't going to comment on this thread but let me toss out a few observations. First...it's only $25/year. Although the content has diminished I read at least enough information on this site for it to be worth the $25. Hell, Patrick Murphy Racey's regular updates on the Sony system are worth more than that. I've found equipment on the classified's, info on venues or names of shooters who KNOW about the venues. I know most of the guys who started this site and guess what? THEY HAVE FULL TIME JOBS. As hard as it might be to grasp, yes, they are actually WORKING photographers. In case some of you haven't noticed since SS was founded our industry has been decimated due to the death of newspapers and the technological advances that have made everyone who has enough money to buy high end equipment a "sports shooter". And not just sports shooters. Baby, portrait, yearbook, pet wedding, advertising...you name it....so take into account a HUGE amount of working photojournalists (sorry but this site was originally aimed at those of us in the news business) are gone, as are their jobs. Never to come back. So I find it somewhat disingenuous to be complaining about the site when in fact it is still useful to some of us. Quite frankly I don't have time to check out SS all the time as I did five years ago. Most of us that have survived with full time jobs have too much to do with all the photo galleries, assignments and video we have to shoot on a daily basis to check the latest "update" and view the "astute suggestions" offered by some of the "learned" members. I'm sure the first thing on the owners minds every morning is, "Gosh darnit! We need to fix that dog gone rating system on the comment board." I would dare say they should have added the "bu7$sh!t" option. It's a free country and everyone has a right to bitch about stuff, but I would dare say that if you feel that strongly maybe your $25 would be better spent on something else. The guys that own and run this site are a bunch of talented and hard working professionals that are a credit to the business. In fact, they are actually IN this business unlike some others who post once in a while. But for some it might not be worth the $25. It's a choice my friends, no one is holding a gun to your head. Have a fab weekend.
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Randy Vanderveen, Photographer
Grande Prairie | AB | Canada | Posted: 6:40 PM on 07.17.15
->> Well said Chuck. I put off writing anything yesterday when I first read the post as I thought I might be a little rash. You pretty much nailed it on the head. On a side note after reading this post I realized my account hadn't been renewed this year yet so I immediately went and did that.
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Clark Brooks, Photo Editor, Photographer
Urbana | IL | USA | Posted: 6:52 PM on 07.17.15
->> Answer: Facebook

There are gazillion Facebook groups where photographers can read, join, and generally comment without the fear of their fragile egos decimated by hardworking, knowledgeable industry professionals. Members of these groups eagerly dole out enthusiastic praise and gentle pats on the back for the most mundane images. From my observations, the groups are also a wonderful place to seek affirmation from equally inexperienced "photographers" for poorly made choices on equipment, business operations and customer service as well as a oasis for those seeking consoling after negative experience that could have been avoided had they been mentored by a more experience photographic professional.
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Simon Wheeler, Photo Editor, Photographer
Ithaca | NY | USA | Posted: 9:49 PM on 07.17.15
->> I had the same thoughts as Chuck, just didn't have time to write them as I'm six hours over a 40 hour week after 4 days of work this week. I renewed a few weeks ago.
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Doug Thompson, Photographer
Floyd | VA | | Posted: 5:06 AM on 07.18.15
->> Amen Chuck. I'm heading out for a busy Saturday of assignments on a week that is already past 60 hours. Used SS this week to sell a lens that I seldom used and didn't need and turned around and bought one I did need. Came across an old acquaintance from my days in the Midwest in the 70s and we caught up. Got a gig from an area assignment editor who found me on SS. Worth $25 a year? Damn right. :)
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Nic Coury, Photographer
Monterey | CA | | Posted: 6:59 PM on 07.20.15
->> No one is making you stay, Marvin.

I'm with Chuck. I get, and have always gotten, a ton out of this site from working colleagues in the editorial world. Unlike other forums, the majority of photogs here are working pros, similar to The Photo Brigade crew, which is a handful of the same folks. I've also written for this site and gladly helped others when I can.

I've gotten a ton of useful info here and just don't pay attention to the nonsense bickering and drama.
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Marvin Gentry, Photographer
Birmingham | AL | USA | Posted: 10:28 PM on 07.20.15
->> Nic I think the bickering and the nonsense drama along with people being put down is what has driven a lot of people away from this site. I think people go to other sites and can ask a question or ask an opinion and don't have to be ridiculed much less be shamed away from saying anything on the site. I actually get more answers from people when I ask a question in a private email cause people don't want too post publicly on here. I guess there are some people who come to this site come to get their jollies by saying things in a hurtful manner.
But there are other things like I used to enjoy the newsletters that came out monthly they have seem to cease or come a lot less frequent. I know there is material out there by looking at NPPA, petapixel, f stoppers , and even some sites on Facebook.
But Nic getting back to why don't i just leave, well the money I pay is worth just having my name on the members board cause I frequently get calls from people from out of state and the country to do work for them.
I guess they are still in the works , just hoping for bigger and better things from SportShooter.
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Frank Bott, Photographer
Tooele | UT | USA | Posted: 10:43 PM on 07.20.15
->> I agree with Chuck. I am a good friend of Pat Murphy Racey.. His knowledge.. is intense.. and worth the 25 dollars.. I was one of the first members.. during the first few months of its life.. and rejoined because I forgot to make my payment. I like it.. it is cool.. and I try to post information with my pictures.. maybe someone out there is new.. and wants to know how i got the picture.. you never know.. All I know is I run a commercial studio.. i make money.. sure there was a time when I could not pay the 25$ ... and was eating top roman.. Joe Gosen loaned me the 25 dollars so i could keep my membership.. so i am going to stick with this site.. i like it.. it works.. plus.. heck.. i get millions upon millions of views of my pictures every year.. but get more excited... when someone ask me a question here.. then any where else.. enjoy.. by the way..off topic.. but this old man really likes CC 2015.. Had to throw that one in..
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Chris Peterson, Photographer, Photo Editor
Columbia Falls | MT | USA | Posted: 7:47 AM on 07.21.15
->> The only guy who left that I miss is Walter. Marvin, I think you answered your own question as to the site's worth...
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Gavin Werbeloff, Photographer
New York | NY | USA | Posted: 8:57 AM on 07.21.15
->> I think there are two major factors that have changed the website since I joined. When Sportsshooter first started as a website, it was the online manifestation of relationships that already existed. Many of the people interacting online were also friends in the "real" world. When I first joined, I was a student shooter, and even though I didn't personally know a lot of people on the site, I would see their posts and and I would see them on Saturday afternoons at the Coliseum (and admire their work on Sunday morning and Tuesday). It was more personal. As the site grew, it became much harder to maintain a parallel between the real world and digital one because there were so many more people. It started to become more anonymous, and that's when, I believe, things start to go downhill.

The second factor that I believe affected the level of conversation on the site is that the photo business became a much worse business. Think about how many members have been laid off from salaried photo positions since 2003. The message board became a place for people to vent their (very valid) frustrations about corporations, GWC's, spec shooting, contracts, shooting for free, etc. How many people started posting simply for the sake of, without really expecting a response? It was an easy place to do it, and it's a good thing too. Rather vent here to other people who understand what you're going through, than to take it out on your families. I don't believe for a minute that they didn't feel it, but anything that can be done to take a little bit off them makes things that much better.

I don't think things are irredeemable, but I do think it will take a conscious effort by everyone here to get things back to where they used to be.
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Joseph Buvid, Photographer, Assistant
Houston | TX | USA | Posted: 11:00 AM on 07.21.15
->> This site has paid for for itself time and time again. I have gotten jobs from here I fully believe I would not have, if I wasn't on here. You will not here me say this site isn't worth what we pay for it.

With that said, I would like to see some updates from time to time to the site. The ad at the bottom of the page is for a Lexar CF Card that isn't in production anymore. The special features section hasn't been updated since 2/2009. I'm not saying that they should be updating the site everyday or every week, I understand they have jobs and lives, but something more regular than 6 years would be nice.
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Nick Morris, Photographer
San Diego | CA | USA | Posted: 7:45 PM on 07.22.15
->> I have to stay here and pay my membership for at least the next 60 years to pay back the site for all I have gained from it. Including the drama, exiting whiney little bitches and "bullies" I'd still be around even if they raised the rent. I'm still a working photojournalist making a decent living and I'm damn lucky for it. Some of my current clients are because of this site right here. Besides who'd keep Chuck in line if I left?
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Kevin Krows, Photographer
Forsyth | IL | USA | Posted: 11:34 AM on 07.23.15
->> I try to do my best to post when I feel I have something of value to say or comment on. I only ask questions of this community when I need some objectivity or someone with first hand knowledge. Bottom line, SS is a quality of content vs quantity of content.

BTW... can anyone tell me how to get a press pass for next years Super Bowl? :)
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Richard Uhlhorn, Photographer
Chelan Falls | WA | USA | Posted: 12:15 PM on 07.23.15
->> I have to agree with Chuck. While I also agree that quality posts are down, Sportsshooter is still where I go if I need a quick answer from the photography community. Membership is a valuable asset. I love the search function for answers to questions I might have that have already been discussed. That alone is worth the $25 bucks.

I've been a member since the beginning and have done nothing but gain by being a member. I usually check the site once a day and only read what is interesting or relevant to me on the message board.
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Nic Coury, Photographer
Monterey | CA | | Posted: 3:29 PM on 07.23.15
->> New newsletter got posted today.
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Brian Blanco, Photographer
Tampa / Sarasota | FL | USA | Posted: 8:22 PM on 07.23.15
->> What happened? Honestly? The signal-to-noise ratio got too high.

I admittedly, and intentionally, let my membership lapse for a long time, but I rejoined a week ago after an email from Bert which reminded me that the way to *fix* this site is simple: contribute content.

I left when the constant voices giving advice on the site were the voices of the least experienced shooters on the site. Those loud voices of inexperience were constantly shouting-down or drowning-out the sound advice coming from the few remaining professionals and their rare gems of actual qualified advice were getting lost in the fog of nonsense.

When I see a young part-time spec shooter telling a guy like Thomas Witte that he doesn't "understand the business"... that erodes the quality of the site.

When I see easily-offended members of the site screaming for Chuck Liddy to be kicked off the site because Chuck's solid advice is served painfully-direct and intended for people with a backbone... that erodes the quality of the site.

When a certain member CONSTANTLY posts random off-topic links (sans any commentary) to random nonsense things on the web because, for some reason, he hasn't discovered that Facebook is free... that erodes the quality of the site.

When someone posts that you can use your press ID to get in free at museums that you have no intention of covering as an actual assignment and others jump in to defend the practice... that erodes the quality of the site.

When a member whose professional ethical lapses are so epic that they spawned a once-popular and long-running blog comes on here to, wait for it, give professional ethical advice... that erodes the quality of the site.

The good news? It's all totally fixable by... yep, you guessed it: contributing qualified content. I intend to contribute content where I'm qualified to do so and I intend to sit back and *read* and *ask questions* when I'm trying to learn.

Sportsshooter isn't broken, not by a longshot, it just needs more user-contributed qualified content, less noise and WAY LESS whining about Chuck being mean.
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Brian Blanco, Photographer
Tampa / Sarasota | FL | USA | Posted: 8:28 PM on 07.23.15
->> Oh and by the way. I say all of that ^^^ respectfully and with only the intention of moving the site in the right direction... NOT to jump into old arguments.
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Simon Wheeler, Photo Editor, Photographer
Ithaca | NY | USA | Posted: 8:41 PM on 07.23.15
->> A long time ago when I was in college the sort of advice given by Chuck, who I have not ever met, was the sort of advice that taught students what we needed to know. If you didn't like the way it was delivered that was your problem and you washed out. There were too many people trying to make it in the business anyway and washing a few out is ok with me.

Not to say that some gentle encouragement and teaching isn't useful, I try to do my share at my papers, but some blunt advice can speed up the learning process. I find that the determination and can do attitude a photographer brings is one of the most important things they can have after a good eye.

I've read this site for many years and learned a tremendous amount. I try to contribute what I know. I will try to continue.
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Nic Coury, Photographer
Monterey | CA | | Posted: 2:05 AM on 07.24.15
->> God, I'm so glad Blanco is back!

And yeah, I agree completely with him and have learned a ton from him and other "ancients" like Witte and Liddy.
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Dirk Dewachter, Photographer
Playa Del Rey | CA | USA | Posted: 5:57 AM on 07.24.15
->> Sportsshooter to me, has always been about the relationships I established through the site. The site allows me access to professionals with much more experience and knowledge than I have. I learned and continue to learn valuable information from them at a cost of $25.00 per year.

Wen Roberts, whose photograph of Jerry West was the foundation for the NBA logo, introduced me to Bert's newsletter well before the site even existed. One noticeable change during the last several years was the emergence of social media. Social media had a significant shift on the visits to the site. This site is a work of love by those that put the site together. The people behind this site believe in sharing their passion for photography. They also share their knowledge to those following in their footsteps.

We did lose valuable members in the past because of bickering, bullying, ignorance or for some other reasons. It is still a viable source of information, where we can find answers or solutions to our photographic problems at a cost of a couple of cups of coffee. I am grateful and thankful for those that are willing to sacrifice their spare time to help others develop the art form of photography.
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John Korduner, Photographer
Baton Rouge | LA | United States | Posted: 10:03 PM on 07.24.15
->> I cannot lie, I yearn to re-live legendary Thunderdome throwdowns.

In their prime Liddy v. the Fish was not only epic, it was compellingly addictive. There were days when I was glued to the screen endlessly clicking refresh. They could make me laugh while while drawing tears from my tender heart. But most importantly, I never left unsatisfied.
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Ian L. Sitren, Photographer
Palm Springs | CA | USA | Posted: 10:10 PM on 07.24.15
->> I agree with Dirk!
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Thomas E. Witte, Photographer, Photo Editor
Cincinnati | OH | USA | Posted: 6:48 AM on 08.03.15
->> (EDITOR'S NOTE: This is long winded)

Shucks, thanks Brian and Nic. It's good to know some folks appreciated what I wrote considering all of the people that let me know on no uncertain terms that I was "full of myself", that they wanted to "punch me in the face" or that I should spend "more time shooting and less time writing on Sports Shooter". I won't name names but what's really interesting about that, is that most of the people I'm referencing changed careers years ago or have never been able to fully support themselves because of the business decisions they made.

I didn't plan to really write much more than that on this topic but since you two mentioned me, I felt humbled and thought I should fill some of you in on where the hell I've been the past few years.

Discord and jackassery might have driven some members away but it's not why I quit contributing. I had a fundamental shift in what I was shooting and the site had begun to turn in to a multimedia, wedding and youth sports hangout. In the mean time I had done a very detailed analysis on the state of the industry and came to the conclusion that I/we had reached a "death cross" in terms of potential future earnings versus the time and monetary investment. Rates at 47 out of 54 editorial clients I had had not changed in the ten years I had been working with them, and $500 in 2000 is much different than $500 in 2010 thanks to the 2.54% annual rate of inflation we had. Couple that with the lack of an annual "merit" increase that most folks get (2.9% on average but lets say 2%) and we should have been making closer to $750. With the influx of photographers that came out of the woodwork during the economic crisis and increasing turnover of contacts due to layoffs and buyouts, we had/have to work twice as much to sustain _ANY_ kind of growth. (See Chuck’s point about how much work needs to be done just for staff photogs now-a-days... Digital sure made our lives easier didn't it?)

I wasn't hurting, but I just could not justify staying with it. Some folks argued that things would return to normal when the economy got better but that was one of the most moronic arguments I'd ever heard. No publicly traded company with a brain would dramatically increase their budgets after they had successfully turned a profit and hit projections while putting out a "marginally acceptable" product. Advertising had already embraced the digital future and they were never going to be coming back, so budgets were/are going to stay low. Some people asked "why don't you shoot weddings/senior portraits/corporate portraits/video/etc?", and it's because I didn't want to. That would be adapting my business model in order to keep being a photographer.

Well... I wasn't a photographer, I was a businessman; I just happened to select photography as my business. I figured out how to make a handsome living while being fairly average compared to a majority of my cohorts. So I put my entrepreneur hat back on and sauntered off in to the sunset for greener pastures.

Parlaying everything I'd learned over the years tinkered around in outside sales for two years (really good Plan B for photographers because you already know how to listen to your "subjects" and we're usually good at thinking on our feet and coming up with a solution) Then I decided to go to grad school full time for an MBA and MS-Finance and now I'm in strategic management consulting. Oddly enough my life has come full circle; one of the services I began offering this year was speaking engagements for athletes on wealth management and financial planning.

So that's why I'm not really hanging around here anymore. I don't have much to offer in terms of technique (hell, I still use a Mark IIN and Mark 4 and run everything through Photo Mechanic 4.5.4) and there haven't been many business questions on here in a while that caught my attention. I swing through fairly regularly trying to unload my dyna-lites or to see if there are any topics that have been continued 2, 3 or 4 times, but for the most part sportsshooter and myself have both pivoted in two completely different directions.
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Chuck Liddy, Photographer, Photo Editor
PLANET | EARTH | | Posted: 9:46 AM on 08.03.15
->> Thomas, thanks for your detailed explaination with figures to back it up. You are spot on with the figures on raises (especially in the newspaper business) They are for the most part only 2% and that has happened only recently as most of the larger chains started with pay freezes then instituted the furlough system (which was a 5% pay cut per year). That combined with all the extra work expected has totally changed the dynamics of this job. Good to see you shifted gears and apparently are on the road with Plan B.
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Mark Goldman, Photographer
Silver Spring | MD | USA | Posted: 10:55 AM on 08.03.15
->> Amen to what Thomas and Chuck have written. I have moved my photography to part time as my Plan B, I continue to work full time at my day job. Much like Thomas, it occurred to me several years ago, that as our business has changed, I could no longer make it economically sustainable. I am consulting full time in Health IT, and I own a motorcycle maintenance and repair shop with my youngest son where I build the lens saddle repair for long Nikon glass Lens Hoods that several of you have purchased. Hoping that things would get better in our industry seemed to be a doomed strategy. As a good friend of mine once said, "Hope is not a strategy".
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Gene Boyars, Photographer
Manalapan | NJ | United States | Posted: 11:20 PM on 08.03.15
->> Thomas. You said a lot about what is happening in so many businesses today as technology keeps changing and growing. In the late 1980s some of my friends and I talked about our future with the introduction of the Canon EOS auto-focus system. For a lot of us it added years to careers that were being threatened by aging eyes. That was good but it also opened the door for a lot of folks who could not master the art of follow focus. Now add digital cameras, great software, super fast motor drives, make that FPS rates because without film how can you call it a motor drive and some big bank rolls and presto, we have a lot more people willing and able to shoot what we love, big time sports. The market got flooded with photographers and images and anyone with any real business knowledge knows that with over supply you have a drop in demand/value. You saw it coming and made a solid decision to find another path and it worked well for you. I made a reasonable decision for me and followed the path of building a decent photography business based on working with smaller colleges and still keeping my fingers in the MLB/NFL pie with one long time client. It worked for me because I spent a lot of time trying to figure out the business side of it. What could I do to make me more valuable to my clients? What were their real needs? For the colleges it was the explosive growth of their web sites and always seem to need images and my job was to supply those images. It kept me busy, it paid my bills and it kept me alive in photography. On the professional sports side I could see things coming to an end some day because there were just too many photographers who were willing to work for far less than I was. My first year as a freelancer my income was about 70/30 in favor of MLB/NFL work, this past year, my last year it was 20/80 but it held up on the bottom line because I had a plan. I did not always need the latest and greatest gear. I had good gear, I knew how to use and it all worked. I stuck to my plan. That plan let me retire with a smile in May with a smile on my face and a few bucks in the bank. Like Mark Goldman said, "Hope is not a strategy". Neither is betting your bank roll on 33 black.....What does all of this have to do with sportsshooter? The web site has changed because most of us with a plan, with experience, with common sense have given up on the business and on the web site. Sometimes being old sucks.. but in my case, it is pretty nice.. Liddy on the other hand.....has it figured out too, really.
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George Bridges, Photographer, Photo Editor
Cypress | TX | USA | Posted: 3:57 PM on 08.17.15
->> I, too, have drifted away from daily visits to this site, but have continued to keep my membership. I've kept putting in the $25 because it's not really that much money, it keeps me connected, I've contributed many times to the newsletter that started it all and Bert is a personal friend I hold in high regard.

There is not much to say different than has already been said. But I will strongly echo the agreement of many of the newer to the business spouting off that the old-timers are out of touch drove me out of many discussions.

Trust me, we old timers know the business have changed, have tried to adapt but we do want to keep it where we can make a living doing this. It's not our second or third job or even our "fun thing that makes me a little money, but if not that's okay too." It's a life we love and love greatly. Like a family member, we don't want to see it demeaned or looked down upon.

We take pride in what we do and want others to see that the only way to keep this as a living is for all to stand up for the value of our work.
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George Bridges, Photographer, Photo Editor
Cypress | TX | USA | Posted: 3:57 PM on 08.17.15
->> And, thank goodness Liddy and Blanco are still here to crack the whip. Whether the recipients can take it or not.
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Michael Myers, Photographer
Miami | Florida | USA | Posted: 12:21 PM on 10.13.15
->> The people and content are what really "make the site", but the software used here is terribly out of date. Moving up to something like "vBulletin" might help, but it might just kill off the site completely.

I'd expect the serious people to stick around even the way it is, and all the fools to move on to the facebook, but maybe that will never happen.

Part of it is photography itself. I used to be really into model railroading. I think it's now gone the way of phonograph records, just "history". Back when I really enjoyed this site, I was learning new things all the time, and I guess others were too. Now it seems like everyone switched to a simple P&S camera, and now they've switched to their mobile phone.

Photography used to be something "special", and only the better people could do it well. Now anyone can be an expert, thanks to "auto" mode and a smart camera. The photos aren't really that good - but neither are the people who look at them, and can't tell the difference.

I used to come here every day. Then it became weekly. Then monthly. I used to dream of buying stuff from the classifieds, but I no longer find things I wish I could buy.


..............I enjoy thinking back to the days of film, when I had a darkroom, and I could make photos that people seemed to really like. My photos now are drowned out by the zillions of photos floating around, instantly findable on the internet. Oh well, doesn't matter that much I guess. What matters to me, is what *I* think of my photos.

(Hey, I used to buy lots of photo magazines, monthly. Why bother now, as the information is available for free, long before it shows up in print!)
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Corey Perrine, Photographer
Naples | FL | USA | Posted: 7:23 AM on 10.14.15
->> Hear, hear! Brian Blanco. Welcome back.

"Photography used to be something "special", and only the better people could do it well. Now anyone can be an expert, thanks to "auto" mode and a smart camera. The photos aren't really that good - but neither are the people who look at them, and can't tell the difference."

1.) It still is something special.
2.) Only the better people STILL can do it well. But the great do it jaw-droppingly well. E-mail me if you want for a list of sites if you don't believe.
3.) Actually, thanks to auto mode the amateurs still look like amateurs.
4.) "can't tell the difference." That's precisely the pack you try to separate yourself from. If you aren't trying to push for more or greater, what's the point?
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Kevin Krows, Photographer
Forsyth | IL | USA | Posted: 8:13 AM on 10.14.15
->> I'm not really all that concerned about the age of the site or if it's out-of-date. Content is far more important so my vote is to keep the site as is and work on getting all the content areas "up-to-date". That takes member participation.
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Sam Santilli, Photographer, Photo Editor
Philippi | WV | USA | Posted: 10:03 AM on 10.14.15
->> "I used to dream of buying stuff from the classifieds, but I no longer find things I wish I could buy."
Ever post a "Looking to buy" or "WTB" post in classifieds?
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Michael Granse, Photographer
Urbana | IL | USA | Posted: 3:34 PM on 10.14.15
->> I would rather have the site stay exactly the way it is than to have to have unnecessary changes cause me to have to search for the parts of it that I use.
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