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The Sony A7RII: The Beggining of the End of the DSLR?
Patrick Murphy-Racey, Photographer
Knoxville | TN | USA | Posted: 8:17 AM on 07.02.15
->> Sometimes I feel like I'm beating a dead horse by talking about Sony mirrorless to newspaper photogs, sports shooters, and photojournalists. But the rest of the world outside the US pro photographers' area has already begun the fast migration away from DSLRs. About two weeks ago, Sony announced a new camera that will hit the USA at the end of this month or in early August. It is a benchmark camera just as the Nikon D1 was, the Canon 5D, etc... The list of features seems more like something from Asimov or Verne:

42 mp full-frame sensor of a new type that allows massive files with killer low light sensitivity
110,200 ISO
totally silent electronic shutter option (think locker rooms, court-rooms, ballet, symphony, funeral coverage)
Internal 4k capture with XAVC codec 3840 x 2160p / 29.97 fps (100 Mbps)
1920 x 1080p / 59.94 fps (50 Mbps)
1280 x 720p / 120 fps (50 Mbps)
399 AF points that are motion sensitive
weighs just 22 oz. with battery and memory card installed (vs. almost 2 lbs for a 5D3)

and... drum roll please... it debuts a new AF system Sony calls "PDAF fast hybrid auto focus".

"So what," you say? Well, this little bugger will be able to not just attach to but fully engage all functions of Canon EOS glass when used with a $100 adapter.

So now, Sony users will be able to choose from all glass available within the Sony E mount series of lenses, the entire Sony A- mount series of lenses, and ALL of Canon's glass.

More important might be the fact that Canon users will be able to select a new camera that is not made by Canon for their lenses. For the first time, it will be possible to have AF, IS, and aperture functions in every mode with your existing system in a seamless way.

There is one bit of bad news in all this... There had to be a catch, right? The motor drive speed is just 5 fps on the new A7RII, which means many of us that shoot sports will only buy one of these for commercial jobs to take advantage of the larger sensor. People considering buying a 5DS/R might be advised to think hard about the Sony A7RII as an alternative, especially when you consider that Sony makes the sensor in the 5DS anyways.

There is hope on the horizon about the motor drive speed, however. Sony makes currently 4 cameras on the A7 platform. The A7RII is the large file camera. The A7S is a smaller file camera that is likely due to be replaced soon. It should be possible to make a 10-15 fps body in the next model. And with Sony, that doesn't mean waiting 5 years in between new model releases like with the "big two"... So far, they made 5 different bodies in just under 15 months under the A7 badge.

For those of us that shoot video on a regular basis, the A7RII for Canon shooters is a no-brainer. Using any of Sony's mirrorless cameras for real video production is like going on vacation technically with their facial recognition AF, myriad of solid audio solutions, and the built-in-body 5 axis internal stabilization with Sony glass, and the list goes on and on.

The future is now and it's going to cost you $3198. It might be time to surface the Nautilus.

More information here:
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1159878-REG/sony_a7r_mark_ii_digital....
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/search?N=11054790&InitialSearch=yes&sts=pi

One of the great weaknesses of the EVF in the past has been the time it takes for the cameras to get the image off the sensor and into the viewfinder. It's easy to shoot a running back running straight at you with any Sony camera, but when the action is lateral, it becomes more difficult as the viewfinder cannot always keep up with the action, which can result in you getting lost if you are too tight. The A7RII has improved on this viewfinder lag time by 3.5x--this should be just the improvement I have been looking for.

Having been mirrorless for the last two years now, it blows my mind how Canon and Nikon have gone on this long without making a real pro targeted EVF body. All they need to do is make a 5DIII/D750 with an EVF--and just chuck the mirror, leave the mirror box, and get on with it! I don't understand why they are dragging their feet. At least Nikon can use the excuse that their aperture control is mechanical but Canon has had an all electronic rear mount since 1986. What Canon did back when they shut down the FD system in 86' is exactly what Sony has done in creating an all new full-frame mirrorless camera system with lenses.

Last, 5 fps is not going to get most sports shooters excited, but there are many advantages of the Sony AF system that make sports coverage so much easier. Facial recognition AF, the fact that the AF sensors are motion sensitive means that you can shoot through nets in volleyball, soccer, and tennis without the camera getting confused. The A7RII might not be a camera that you will want to go out and buy this August, but it is a camera you should look at closely. There is a whole other world out there that exists with almost weekly innovation as Sony, Panasonic, Fuji, Olympus, and, to a lesser degree, Nikon and Canon all compete. There is another big game in town taking place in a pretty full house that you may not even been aware of. Keep your ears ready for news of the Sony A7SII as I think that could be the fast FPS body so many of us are waiting for. They have everything else in place.

Remember, DENIAL is not just a river in Egypt. It's not just time that is changing. The tech pumping out of Sony in the still camera and video realm is not to be ignored. Mirrorless is not a passing fad. It might be time to hang up your Domke and get a much smaller bag, and call your chiropractor and cancel your next appointment.
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Simon Wheeler, Photo Editor, Photographer
Ithaca | NY | USA | Posted: 8:29 AM on 07.02.15
->> Patrick,

Do you have any idea how fast the autofocus will be with the adapter for Canon EOS lenses? I think that will be the deal maker for people with Canon glass.
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Patrick Murphy-Racey, Photographer
Knoxville | TN | USA | Posted: 8:42 AM on 07.02.15
->> No, but I've watched every video I can get my hands on from the announcement and press event of the A7RII in NYC and around the world. There are examples of it on the 24-70, 40 and 24 STM's, but nothing on the longer glass that I want it for. From talking to a couple of the other Sony Artisans as well as participating in a lengthly tech call about two weeks ago, I am confident enough to sell off all my Nikon gear and head back to Canon. After spending 19 years as an EOS shooter, and the last four years with Nikon, and the last three years with Sony E and A mount--I can tell you that Sony makes a very fast AF system. I have their 300mm f/2.8 and it's really fast, locks on, and stays with action. It feels just like Canon and Nikon in terms of its ability to acquire and track, and in many ways, it's much better because of all the added features in what is a very deep AF system of menus and customizable functions. Also, that same Sony 300 is reasonably fast with an adapter on my Sony A7II. You can easily shoot high school football with that combo and not be disappointed. I'm planning on getting the Canon 600L and I already have the EF300mm f/4L IS and the 1.4X III. I'll be on a big motorcycle trip in Labrador for the next two weeks but I'm hoping I'll get my hands on the new camera sometime in late July and do some testing. I will be shooting it with a variety of lenses--but mostly long glass for obvious reasons. I'm pretty excited about shooting some games with a Sony camera on Canon L glass.
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Patrick Murphy-Racey, Photographer
Knoxville | TN | USA | Posted: 12:15 PM on 07.02.15
->> http://www.sonyalpharumors.com/a7rii-and-rx100m4-eye-af/
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Jim Colburn, Photographer
Omaha | NE | USA | Posted: 10:32 PM on 07.02.15
->> "Sometimes I feel like I'm beating a dead horse by talking about Sony mirrorless to newspaper photogs, sports shooters, and photojournalists"

Wow, that makes at least two of us.
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David Seelig, Photographer
Hailey | ID | USA | Posted: 11:10 PM on 07.02.15
->> I ahve a 7s the 16-35 24 -70 and 70 200 will get the 7 r 11 .
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Patrick Murphy-Racey, Photographer
Knoxville | TN | USA | Posted: 8:26 AM on 07.03.15
->> Even DPReview has picked up a big stick and it's taking its turn whacking that dead horse.... Pretty cool video at this link showing both stills and video with a non native lens (50mm f/1.4 Sigma ART) with an adapter on the A7RII:


http://www.dpreview.com/articles/1652088044/sony-an-eye-on-focus
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Simon Wheeler, Photo Editor, Photographer
Ithaca | NY | USA | Posted: 9:36 AM on 07.03.15
->> While the review is really good the sticking point with non Sony lenses appears to be that the photographer can choose what the camera is going to focus on. It might select the tip of the nose rather than the eye. You have use a Sony lens to control what target the camera picks to follow.
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Steven Mullensky, Photographer, Photo Editor
Port Townsend | WA. | USA | Posted: 11:25 AM on 07.03.15
->> I'm a believer. I've had mine on pre-order for several weeks.
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Chris Peterson, Photographer, Photo Editor
Columbia Falls | MT | USA | Posted: 1:37 PM on 07.03.15
->> Is there no Nikon adapter for G lenses? Aren't they electronic, too?
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David Seelig, Photographer
Hailey | ID | USA | Posted: 2:40 PM on 07.03.15
->> Hey patrick Canon has said they make the sensor for the 5d s where do you hear that sony makes it? Also wouldn't it have better dr if sony made it
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Patrick Murphy-Racey, Photographer
Knoxville | TN | USA | Posted: 9:08 PM on 07.03.15
->> http://paulfgeroblog.com/hands-on-with-the-sony-a7rii-metabones-iii-adapter.../

this is a great link from former Chicago Tribune & Arizona Republic Paul Gero on the the use of the A7RII with the metabones adapter on an EF70-200mm f/2.8L IS lens in a camera store in CA yesterday... This should help a lot of you see the possibilities...
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Patrick Murphy-Racey, Photographer
Knoxville | TN | USA | Posted: 9:21 PM on 07.03.15
->> Chris, there is no full-functioning adapter for mounting Nikon lenses onto Sony cameras although one was rumored to be in the process of R&D in China as of last week. The problem is very simple. When Canon chucked the FD mount back in 86', they went to a 100% electronic mount. Nikon started adding the little spring loaded pins back in their AF/D/I years ago, but even the current G series lenses have to have a mechanical actuator and solonoid system to control the aperture ring. This is why you can get adapters from everyone to mount Nikon D and G glass onto the Sony cameras but there is no AF, no automatic aperture control that links directly into the camera's exposure systems, etc... When you use these adapters, the camera doesn't even know a lens is attached. So, it becomes very difficult to design an adapter that controls aperture mechanically when the camera you are mounting it on is all electronic.

Since both the Sonys and Canons are all 100% electronic, it's possible to reverse engineer all of the functions of Canon lenses into the Sony cameras. It's kind of sad but Nikon found great value in keeping 100% compatibility with all their lenses going back to 1957. It's easy to say it was a bad move now but it really made sense then. Canon pissed off a a lot of very loyal shooters when they chucked the FD mount but their engineering people understood maybe a little more of what was coming and where things were headed. I'm glad they did! Sorry for the long post but it's complicated stuff and it was a great question...
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Tim Gangloff, Photographer
Knoxville | Tn | USA | Posted: 3:01 PM on 07.06.15
->> Hey Pat, I enjoy reading your sales pitches /infomercials. Really, I do.

But, I think this is in error.

"especially when you consider that Sony makes the sensor in the 5DS anyways."

That is not what Chuck Westfall has stated publicly.

"Despite some rumors to the contrary, Westfall said the 50.6MP CMOS sensors in the 5DS and 5DS R are developed and produced by Canon. When asked whether they were created in collaboration with Sony as some rumors indicated, Westfall responded by saying: “Absolutely not. The sensors were developed completely in-house, by Canon.”

http://www.canonrumors.com/2015/02/dpreview-interview-with-chuck-westfall-o.../

Also, I don't really understand the sales pitch angle of saying the Sony is so much lighter that those other guys. If you are hanging a 400 or 500 or even a 600 off the end of that Sony, I am not sure a few ounces or even pounds in the body make much of a difference in the total package weight. Now, if I was traveling light, with just a body and lens, it might be a bigger deal. But, if you compare it to, for example a Canon 1 series body, where you get the grip and extra battery life as part of the weight difference, then maybe it's not so big.

Also, wouldn't you have to inlcude the weight of an adapter into that mix?

The FPS are not a huge issue for me. I do like (scratch that, love) the 1Dx rate, but have also made due with the 5D3 at times and even shot with strobes at 1 FPS. :)

I am intrigued by the Sony sensors and some of their features on their bodies. I do think they are getting closer to competing with the big guns, which I think will be good for everybody.

Also, I have no idea on the amount of weather sealing of the Sony bodies. Can you expound on that as well as that of the build quality. I know the Canon 1 series are built like bricks and hence their weight, but how about the Sony's?

And, finally, congrats on your new position with Sony. I know you will be a great advocate for them.
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Jack Kurtz, Photographer
Bangkok | Bangkok | Thailand | Posted: 6:30 PM on 07.06.15
->> Tim hit on something with this: "If you are hanging a 400 or 500 or even a 600 off the end of that Sony, I am not sure a few ounces or even pounds in the body make much of a difference in the total package weight."

I am not dissing Sony, what they've done with the A7 series is amazing. The bodies are tiny but the lenses are pretty much the same size and if you're hanging a 70-200 2.8, 300 f2.8 or bigger off the camera then your weight savings are nominal. There's only so much you can do to slim down a lens if it still has to cover a 24X36mm sensor.

That's why Fuji cameras and (especially) lenses are smaller. It's a 1.5X crop with a correspondingly smaller sensor.

And it's why Micro 4:3 bodies and (especially) lenses are so tiny. It's a 2X crop with a significantly smaller sensor than full frame. Which is why the Olympus 40mm - 150mm f2.8 lens, about the same size as the Canon 70-200 f4, has the reach and relative field of view of an 80mm - 300mm f2.8 lens. Think about that. A 300mm f2.8 equivalent lens in a package the size of a 70-200 f4. Olympus has a 300mm f4 coming out later this year. It the equivalent of a 600mm f4 in a package smaller than the Canon 300 f4.

M4:3 image quality is not as good as Sony's, especially at higher ISO, and at this point it's limited to 16megapixels. But the image quality is very good and the kits are truly tiny.
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Steve Ueckert, Photographer
Houston | TX | | Posted: 9:13 PM on 07.06.15
->> The D3 / D700 was a major step forward, maybe even several steps forward in image making compared to what else was available, that was 2008-2009.

The 5D2 & 5D3 tilted the pendulum back towards the white lenses, at least for IQ.

Sad to say, I shoot the D3S and long Nikon glass for sports, and the 5D3 for everything else.

The 5D3, for me, just doesn't cut it for MLB, my Nikons still do, given most of what I do with them is for the world-wide-interweb. Away from a stadium, Canon and IT'S SYSTEM works.

Iffen this next generation of Sonys hang with the rest, and hopefully leaves them in the dust "in real life shooting", then show me, sell me. I'd love to retire both the Nikon and Canon DSLRs, but I have to make the "shot", know what I mean. . . .
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Patrick Murphy-Racey, Photographer
Knoxville | TN | USA | Posted: 10:53 PM on 07.06.15
->> Tim, you make some good points. I have read in a number of places online that sony made the sensor for the 5DS/R but I could be using a bad source for that. IF Sony did make that sensor--humor me, would it be in Canon's best interest to admit it? I honestly don't know but I had seen it written about in a number of places... I could easily be wrong on that one... point to Tim

2. The weight of the adapter is an essentially empty shell that moves the camera and lens away from each other and provides electrical contacts--there is no mirror needed with the new camera. the adapter might weigh as much as some straps. It's negligible.

3. As for the weight of the bodies on the Sony side... it all adds up. If I'm covering football with Sony on Canon or Sony glass, it means I'll be using three bodies. Three A7RII's even fitted with grips and extra batteries installed will be a pittance compared to the same setup with the D750/5DIII. Bulk is also a big factor, especially when you fly with gear. I could easily bring everything I needed to cover a game and still only check one bag and be under 50 lbs--again, not possible when you add up the weight of 3-5DIII's with grips extra batts., and your glass.

4. You make it sound like being only lightweight is the only advantage to Sony but that is really not accurate. EVF rocks!!!! If you haven't ever tried a Sony or Panny EVF, they are great! Much easier to see at night games--easy to judge all your exposures properly at day games, etc... VIDEO is another world with Sony too...

You can literally tell the camera to memorize the face of a coach on the sidelines and it will only AF on the Coach, no matter how you compose the frame. If you want to shoot 4K at 30P or even 120P of sports action, you can do that with the Sony, and produce amazing slomo footage. If you want to add a real phantom powered 48V mic to your setup, you can just add the XLR adapter ($600) and that's it--you are NFL films making NPR quality audio just like that. Remember too that the performance of the AF system is the same whether shooting stills of video--think about that.

Focus Peaking is another huge benefit to Sony focusing, especially with manual focus glass from any manufacturer you choose... I could go on and on...

The stuff is great... I've done the DSLR thing all my career and I am telling you this is how all cameras will be made in the near future, and that includes Canon and Nikon... eventually

As for my "job/position" with Sony, I have none. I am just like a "Canon Explorer" or a "Nikon Ambassador." Most of us are not paid spokespeople though we are compensated occasionally for certain gigs. Most of all, I'm a freelance shooter, not an employee of Sony. They don't control what I write or even ask me to do so... just for the record...
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Patrick Murphy-Racey, Photographer
Knoxville | TN | USA | Posted: 11:01 PM on 07.06.15
->> Jack, I hear you about the MFT gear. I'm jealous of the glass they have BUT, I know the difference between crop sensor vs. ff sensor results... It's night and day. I'm kind of dreaming up a custom system for shooting football that might be really cool by combining a Sony A7RII with the Canon 400mm f/4 DO. How cool would that be??? And it would be super lightweight--I think you could get away without a monopod if you really wanted to.

Just having the entire EOS lens system (since about 06") available to me as a Sony shooter is great news. It fills in a lot of gaps as Sony builds up their lenses each year.

I do love the APS-C A6000 and can't with for that one to be replaced (can't happen soon enough for me). Perhaps this might be the happy medium you seek--where you get a larger thn MFT sensor in a boy that is actually smaller than what Panasonic has out right now, and get a big file of a larger sensor that works great in low light. I'm not sure if they will call this the A7000 or the A6000II or what, but I'll buy it for sure when it comes available for sure (maybe 1G2016).
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Tim Gangloff, Photographer
Knoxville | Tn | USA | Posted: 10:46 AM on 07.07.15
->> Thanks for the great information Patrick. I do enjoy learning about the Sony system and it is certainly intriguing at this point. Not sure I am ready to pull the trigger,but do like some of the features and the sensor certainly gets great reviews.

And thanks for the clarification on your position with Sony. Perhaps I misunderstood what the position consisted of, but sincerely congrats on being recognized as an ambassador for Sony, paid, not paid or whatever, it's still very cool. And I know you shoot straight, so was not implying your posts were anything other than informational, albeit from a passionate Sony user.

My son and I are interested in video, so that AF feature is really, really interesting. Also, the 120 feature sounds great.

Maybe I can sneak a peak through your EVF at a game this year and you can try to convert me then. ;-)

All the best,
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Ron Alvey, Photographer
Dayton | OH | USA | Posted: 1:43 PM on 07.07.15
->> Flashes man......it's all about the flashes for me. Any Sony solutions for that Patrick?
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Robert Klein, Photographer
South Easton | MA | USA | Posted: 9:27 PM on 07.08.15
->> I have just taken possession of a Sony a6000 and a Sony 18-105 f4 OSS G lens. This is an APS C camera with a pretty decent EVF, 11 frames a second and, as they claim, the world's fastest auto focus system. The price point on the camera and the lens mentioned above is somewhat deceiving due to the fact that it is quite low when compared to cameras with the features of the a6000. The camera and lens together are a few dollars north of $1000. I have played with the auto focus and it certainly is impressive. My only complaint would be the prices on the Sony lenses, but for a medium length lens, the 18-105 zoom (internal by the way) is something I can see using from the 20 yard line in for football, basketball, hockey at the glass, volleyball, etc.. Mirrorless is here people and Canon and Nikon need to catch up.
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Dave Londres, Photographer
Philadelphia | PA | USA | Posted: 11:19 AM on 07.10.15
->> I second Ron's flash question. After some digging, it seems the Phottix Odin transmitter and Mitros flashes can do wireless (RF) HSS, and remote settings, just like (or better than) my Canon and Pocketwizard tt5 setup now.

Does anyone have experience using Phottix or any other strobes for Sony?

I'm not crazy about the idea of flipping my Canon and Pocketwizard strobe gear for Phottix. I've been down that road before with Radiopopper and don't really want to do it again.
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Patrick Murphy-Racey, Photographer
Knoxville | TN | USA | Posted: 8:25 AM on 07.17.15
->> http://briansmith.com/nissin-di700a-flash-kit-air-1-commander-sony-multi-in.../

This is a brand new flash from Nissin that has amazing potential and is worth looking into. I've never tried one but I might just buy one to test with. Honestly, none of the Sony flashes interest me (too expensive, no radio feature) and for the last four years, I've been using the Yongnuo system which is entirely manual.

The Nissin, at least on paper might be my first TTL unit in 5 years. I have to have a solution where the features of the strobe all have to exist without the flash on the camera.

In Chicago where I grew up, you don't put catsup on hot dogs, and where I grew up as a shooter at the Milwaukee Journal, you sure as Hell don't put a flash on the top of your camera.

The Nissin might be the mustard I've been searching for... but it has to be as good as Plochman's:

http://www.plochman.com/about/
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Baron Sekiya, Photographer, Photo Editor
Hilo | HI | USA | Posted: 3:24 AM on 08.01.15
->> Canon needs to up their game and just go mirrorless with their cameras. Although I shoot both stills and videos with my Canon dSLR bodies I long for a quiet still camera that shows me critical focus right off the sensor instead of all this focus adjustment stuff. They have these separate fiefdoms of the still and video divisions that seem like they don't want to budge and cede any territory to each other. So tired of Canon's stupidity that I would love to make my next camera a Sony.
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Steve Puppe, Photographer
Olathe | KS | USA | Posted: 12:17 PM on 08.01.15
->> If they get support from Profoto for HSS and wireless viewing from CamRanger I'm in.
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Brad Barr, Photographer
Port St. Lucie | FL | USA | Posted: 11:38 AM on 08.11.15
->> Nikon sb900 works on my sony a7s...albeit not ttl. But who likes ttl anyway? Thing is with the adapters...it works but its SLOW with canon, and manual only for nikon. Supposedly this new one has solved that....but i'd have to see it first. Everyone w a7/r/s units using the metabones remarks just how awful the af is w canon. That said....mf is extremely easy using my nikon glass, but you arent gonna do that for sports. I do use the phottix mitros and indra 360 units on nikon and its great to have HSS there. The Indra units are built in both canon and nikon. Not sony. So i cant see these replacing your whole kit anytime soon, for all the reasons listed above, but I do think many of us can use them for what they are great at to augment the rest of our kit. Nice golf kit actually...using silent mode.

The high iso files on my a7s are the best i've seen. And that includes the d4s and DF from nikon that i've had previously. I had mine converted to full spectrum as well, so it does double duty for me. Thinking about dumping yet another nikon body for the atrii
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Ian L. Sitren, Photographer
Palm Springs | CA | USA | Posted: 12:27 PM on 08.11.15
->> Question...

Has anyone used these Sony cameras for shooting anything really fast like an aircraft coming in and going by at ground level at 300+ mph?

Truly interested in any experience you may have had.

Thanks!
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Patrick Murphy-Racey, Photographer
Knoxville | TN | USA | Posted: 4:19 PM on 08.25.15
->> I've shot NASCAR and it worked great. Even right next to the cars on the fence of them coming straight at me worked really well. The video was superb from that vantage point too :)
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Ian L. Sitren, Photographer
Palm Springs | CA | USA | Posted: 11:56 PM on 08.25.15
->> Thanks everyone. I have tried to be impressed with Sony and it is just not happening for any number of reasons.

I am staying with Canon for my aircraft and fast moving needs. I am going with Fuji for my needs for a completely silent camera system for shooting stills on motion pictures and such. Staying with Hasselblad for my studio, editorial, ad and other work.
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Doug Strickland, Photographer
Chattanooga | TN | USA | Posted: 6:24 PM on 08.26.15
->> Patrick, what has your experience been with Sony's repairs? One of the most important things about keeping my gear with Canon is CPS's service for professionals. One of my colleagues recently had to ship a (very expensive) Sony zoom to them for repairs. He found out that not only does Sony not do the repairs themselves (they sent it to a camera repair shop somewhere) but the repairs place kept the lens for a month before shipping it back without ever fixing it. It had been dropped and the front element was out of place, and it was very obviously untouched by the repair center. He also said they charged a flat repair fee for fixing equipment that is not based on the repairs needed but rather a fixed percentage of the item's original retail sale price.
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Chris Peterson, Photographer, Photo Editor
Columbia Falls | MT | USA | Posted: 1:08 PM on 08.27.15
->> Patrick, was that with Sony glass or Canon glass with the adapter?
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Patrick Murphy-Racey, Photographer
Knoxville | TN | USA | Posted: 10:31 AM on 10.27.15
->> go to 22:27 to hear Kenta Honjo of sony address the AF system of the new mirrorless cameras for sport photography:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lghhEiTwwsg
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Michael Myers, Photographer
Miami | Florida | USA | Posted: 1:14 PM on 10.29.15
->> Hmmm..... "Sometimes I feel like I'm beating a dead horse by talking about Sony mirrorless to newspaper photogs, sports shooters, and photojournalists."

Why does anyone get upset when other people don't want to follow their ideas? There are lots of reasons for doing, or not doing, something.


Me? I've got enough Nikon gear to do what I need, and just got a D750 body which is small, light, and quiet. Getting something that is smaller, lighter, and quieter doesn't excite me when I've got to sell all my old gear, and start all over again.

If Nikon were to come out with a "mirrorless" body, that was in every way the equal, or better, of a D750, I might have considered it.

.........it's not a competition, people should use whatever they wish, and for that matter, I'm perfectly happy to be using my Leica M8.2 or Fuji X100s when I wish to.


If someone loves the new Sony, great, and it's good to read about new things, but it's not nice to berate people because they don't jump on the bandwagon....
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Michael Myers, Photographer
Miami | Florida | USA | Posted: 1:30 PM on 10.29.15
->> One last thought.....

I can read magazines, and web discussions that make "newer" sound awesome, or I can read articles such as:
https://photographylife.com/the-mirrorless-hype
...that give me second thoughts about "newer". In this case, none of it has "settled out", and I see no compelling reason to make a change. I guess I wouldn't use the word "hype", but I like what I have now, and would need a better reason to make a change than what I've read so far.
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Mark Perlstein, Photographer, Photo Editor
Plano | TX | USA | Posted: 11:30 AM on 10.30.15
->> The Sony line seems to have a digital look all its own. We just ran a photo that was sent to use taken with the NEX-7 in portrait mode. It looks like the persons head was copied and pasted onto the background. Not natural at all. I will stay with photographers who use Nikon and Canon, and now I am asking what they shoot with.
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Richard Uhlhorn, Photographer
Chelan Falls | WA | USA | Posted: 12:59 PM on 10.30.15
->> Mark, I'm shooting with a Sony RX10 and have had none of the difficulties you describe. Perhaps the image suffered in post production or the settings were wrong in the camera. Oh, and I believe that both Canon and Nikon use Sony sensors.
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David Seelig, Photographer
Hailey | ID | USA | Posted: 3:58 PM on 10.30.15
->> Mark I owned the nex 7 never had a problem like that a glitch in software is more likely the cause then the camera
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Chris Peterson, Photographer, Photo Editor
Columbia Falls | MT | USA | Posted: 11:08 AM on 10.31.15
->> Here's the best comparison I've seen so far.

https://fstoppers.com/originals/fstoppers-reviews-canon-5dsr-sony-a7rii-and...
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David Seelig, Photographer
Hailey | ID | USA | Posted: 8:54 PM on 11.01.15
->> I read it andthought he was full of shit too each his own the les n comparisons he uses do not hold up the amount of batteries are jsut wrong he jsut wnated to put the sony down and found a way
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Mark Perlstein, Photographer, Photo Editor
Plano | TX | USA | Posted: 9:56 AM on 11.02.15
->> David, I am not full of shit, and not looking for a way to put down Sony. I have had experiences with 2 hired photographers using Sony and will be very reluctant to use a 3rd. I guess I am just a Nikon/Canon snob.
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David Seelig, Photographer
Hailey | ID | USA | Posted: 3:24 PM on 11.02.15
->> Mark I meant the fstoppers guy was full of it not you.
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Jack Kurtz, Photographer
Bangkok | Bangkok | Thailand | Posted: 7:35 PM on 11.03.15
->> I use Olympus, not Sony, but the battery issue with mirrorless is real. I travel with 11 batteries. Sunday I burned through 4 batteries in a 5 hour day. I am very happy with the image quality of the Olympus system, love the form factor, the lenses are outstanding but the battery life is a real weakness.

There are a lot of people using the Sony system, including some very experienced photojournalists, that have never reported the issues Mark described. So it seems likely that the photographers he hired used software improperly rather than an issue with the cameras they used.
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Patrick Murphy-Racey, Photographer
Knoxville | TN | USA | Posted: 12:05 PM on 11.05.15
->> I can typically shoot 5-600 photos on one battery when using my A6000. A little less than that on the A7 series. With some experience using mirrorless you mostly don't chimp anymore so that saves a ton of juice right there. This is about half of what a DSLR will use. I don't see the big deal about the debate. Half size, half the weight, half the battery life. I can totally live with that! I'd much rather carry a few extra (small/tiny) batteries for my Sonys than have to carry a DSLR everywhere and screw up my back.
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Michael Myers, Photographer
Miami | Florida | USA | Posted: 11:10 PM on 11.05.15
->> Another article from f-stoppers..... just saw it this morning, and it reminded me of this discussion:

https://fstoppers.com/originals/most-people-cannot-tell-difference-between-...

I suppose when I get back to the USA, I'll want to go to B&H again and see what the mirrorless cameras feel like in my hands, the menu system, and how I would "use" them.
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David Seelig, Photographer
Hailey | ID | USA | Posted: 12:01 AM on 11.06.15
->> So this was withput the mew frimware which allow s beeter raw for the Sony another wtf
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Jack Kurtz, Photographer
Bangkok | Bangkok | Thailand | Posted: 6:18 AM on 11.07.15
->> I count battery life in hours not frames. I get 3 - 4 hours of continuous on from a battery. If I motor through 500 frames in 3 hours, I get 500 frames. If I'm walking around with the camera on but not actually photographing I might get as few as 50. In order to save battery life I tend to switch the camera off when it's going to be more than a few minutes of no photography. I don't chimp much anymore.
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