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Drones in the news again
Keith Simonian, Photographer
Brentwood | CA | USA | Posted: 9:04 AM on 06.26.15
->> "The DC-10 had to divert and drop its retardant on a fire along the Nevada border, while the two smaller planes had to jettison theirs
because they couldn't land with that much weight. Officials said the failed mission cost between $10,000 and $15,000."

But they got their photos/film so it's OK.

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-wildfires-southern-california-2...
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Tom Ewart, Photographer
Bentonville | AR | USA | Posted: 1:26 AM on 06.27.15
->> Bad reporting or stupid fire fighters...just climb above them and drop the fire retardent on the drone, that will clear the airspace and allow them to do their job and sort it out later...
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Jim Colburn, Photographer
Omaha | NE | USA | Posted: 10:54 AM on 06.27.15
->> Right. "Stupid" fire fighters. All they have to do is...
Are you an experienced pilot of a fire fighting DC-10?
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Tom Ewart, Photographer
Bentonville | AR | USA | Posted: 7:33 PM on 06.29.15
->> Jim are you saying a DC-10 can't climb higher than a drone? I am experienced in being in the cockpit of many type of manned aircraft and do own my own DJI Phantom 2 drone. Unless it is a weaponized military drone, I don't know of any Camera drone set up that can out fly any maned aircraft. They may have different flight profiles. Give me the assets available to the firefighters and I'd still be fighting a fire not quitting because of the camera drones. Jim sorry I called firefighter stupid, maybe I should have paraphrased Ron White and said "They got a lot of quit in them." And I don't know anyone who has invested in a legitimate drone camera system that would want it bombed out of the sky by the fire planes...I'm sure they would have left if the firefighter had been the firefighters been the least bit aggressive with them. I apologize to any of my firefighter friends whom I may have offended.
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Chuck Liddy, Photographer, Photo Editor
PLANET | EARTH | | Posted: 9:00 AM on 06.30.15
->> Ahh, reading skills...reading skills. The drones described in the story weren't of the Phantom (small) variety....they were fixed wing (plane) type drones with a four foot wingspan...sorry but an impact with that could cause catastrophic damage to a plane. Plus the fact they were flying at 1500 feet in an active "no fly" zone? This is why the government will eventually crack down on private drones. Because of nitwits who do things like this.
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Eric Canha, Photographer
Brockton | MA | United States | Posted: 11:09 AM on 07.01.15
->> Am I the only one who thinks that a 'drone' with a 4 foot wingspan and able to fly at 1500' being controlled from a location that couldn't be determined is probably not being flown by some dude out of his mom's basement? Oh ya... painted orange or red??

Sorry but I have to believe that this was a case of one big brother not telling another big brother that they were there.
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Alan Look, Photographer
Bloomington - Normal | IL | United States | Posted: 7:44 PM on 07.01.15
->> Drone seems to be an all purpose word these days...
An unmanned aircraft with a 4' fixed wing could have been a RC Model Airplane flier. I don't particularly count those as drones, or at least not in the same class as say a quadcopter.

Still it probably wasn't the best choice of when and where to be flying it.
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Keith Simonian, Photographer
Brentwood | CA | USA | Posted: 11:39 PM on 07.01.15
->> I am not a pilot, or somebody connected with wild fire suppression. That said, bedsides the danger of hitting the drown,
I would imagine there is an ideal height to drop the fire retardant. Seems likely that flying above the drown might make the retardant drop less effective.

Again, I'm not a pilot, or professional fire fighter.
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Rob Dicker, Photographer
Lake Villa | IL | USA | Posted: 12:35 PM on 07.02.15
->> http://ktla.com/2015/07/01/drone-used-to-help-deliver-life-jacket-to-boy-st.../

drones don't kill people, people kill people
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Doug Pizac, Photographer
Sandy | UT | USA | Posted: 1:07 PM on 07.02.15
->> Keith...

Have you ever been in close proximity to a retardant drop? I've been splashed from above. It is not pretty. Unlike water, retardant is a slimy concoction like a smoothie but much heavier. Believe me in that a drone would not make the drop less effective. The drone would be smashed upon impact with the slime in air and if not then when it hit the ground. It would be like hitting a fly across the room with a fly swatter or better yet a baseball bat.
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Mark Loundy, Photo Editor, Photographer
San Jose | CA | USA | Posted: 7:11 PM on 07.02.15
->> Tom, Of course a DC-10 can climb higher than a drone. Can it reliably do so, within visual range, before impact? No, it cannot.

--Mark
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Mark Loundy, Photo Editor, Photographer
San Jose | CA | USA | Posted: 7:12 PM on 07.02.15
->> Doug, Ingesting a drone into an engine would be an emergency situation. Having one hit the windshield at just the right angle, could be fatal.

--Mark
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Keith Simonian, Photographer
Brentwood | CA | USA | Posted: 12:45 AM on 07.03.15
->> Doug, my question was and still his, does dropping the retardant from a higher elevation make it less effective.
It could be less effective for a couple reasons I can think of. One being the higher the drop, the lower the accuracy.
The other possible reason is that the retardant disperses/dissolves when dropped from a higher elevation.

Either way, the drone was flying where it wasn't suppose to be.
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Douglas Cottle, Photographer
Tuscola | Illinois | United States | Posted: 9:53 AM on 07.04.15
->> Firefighter take drone out.

http://automotivejustice.com/drone-gets-taken-out-by-fire-fighter/
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Eric Isaacs, Photographer, Assistant
Santa Barbara | CA | USA | Posted: 3:06 AM on 07.06.15
->> Douglas Cottle:

That's a fake vid. The firefighter stupidly attempted to squirt water at the drone instead of doing his job. Very unprofessional.

Turns out the guy flying the drone is also a firefighter and was standing next to a cop across the street while filming it.

You'll notice in the video there is no sound until the faked static that appears in a different aspect ratio. Had he actually made it crash it may have injured someone on the ground and the guy could have been charged with destruction of property.

Also, terrible headline and article - very inflammatory (no pun intended)

Hopefully he was disciplined by his department.
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Chuck Steenburgh, Photographer
Lexington | VA | USA | Posted: 5:24 AM on 07.06.15
->> Eric C...big brother drones are painted black...the universal color of nefarious government plots...orange or red is meant to be seen.
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Stanley Leary, Photographer, Photo Editor
Roswell | GA | | Posted: 9:23 AM on 07.06.15
->> In Atlanta they are proposing a five mile ban around the capitol. Problem is this will take out most of Atlanta for flying drones.

http://www.tuscaloosanews.com/article/20150705/news/150709843
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Robert Hanashiro, Photographer
Los Angeles | CA | | Posted: 2:24 PM on 12.12.15
->> Leave it to the Japanese:
Tokyo to Catch Bad Drones Using Bigger Drones with Giants Nets
http://petapixel.com/2015/12/11/tokyo-to-catch-bad-drones-using-bigger-dron.../
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Richard Uhlhorn, Photographer
Chelan Falls | WA | USA | Posted: 7:12 PM on 12.12.15
->> Planes and Heicopters flying in support of widfire suppression efforts have a dangerous enough job without worrying about some idiot flying any kind of an unmanned aerial vehicle in a no-fly zone.

At one time we had the Nations #1 fire in our community this past August and if it wasn't for the precise retardant drops by a DC-10 pilot, Chelan would probably have lost most of its south residential area. As it was, homes and businesses were lost to the firestorm including an $80 million dollar apple packing and storage facility.

The more instances of illegal drone flights that are reported will bring more stringent criteria from the FAA on the use of drones including recreational drones.
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Andy Mitchell, Photographer, Assistant
Chattanooga | TN | USA | Posted: 1:35 AM on 12.15.15
->> https://www.faa.gov/news/press_releases/news_story.cfm?newsId=19856


Just seen this, thought I would share
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Baron Sekiya, Photographer, Photo Editor
Hilo | HI | USA | Posted: 5:45 AM on 12.19.15
->> News media got a press release from the FAA about a TFR (Temporary Flight Restriction) due to a VIP in Hawaii this month (obviously President Obama's Christmas trip). They sent us the link for pilots but also added in plain English, 'The FAA wants to emphasize that the entire restricted area is a No Drone Zone. Nobody can operate any unmanned aircraft, including model aircraft, in the area when the restrictions are in effect.' Just in case folks didn't understand the techinicals of the TFR.
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Andy Mitchell, Photographer, Assistant
Chattanooga | TN | USA | Posted: 3:22 AM on 12.23.15
->> media drone crashes during skiing world cup

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nbc-yahoo-sports/marcel-hirscher-almost-gets-...
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Richard Uhlhorn, Photographer
Chelan Falls | WA | USA | Posted: 7:24 PM on 12.24.15
->> That was quite a crash.
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PJ Heller, Photographer
Christchurch | NZ | | Posted: 10:47 PM on 12.25.15
->> http://tinyurl.com/z9amz7h
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Robert Hanashiro, Photographer
Los Angeles | CA | | Posted: 4:29 PM on 03.19.16
->> http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-drone-near-miss-lax-20160318-st...
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Kevin Novak, Photographer, Assistant
Panama City Beach | FL | USA | Posted: 8:47 PM on 03.19.16
->> I don't know. I'm very skeptical of a report indicating a UAV at 5,200' and an airline pilot being able to spot it as they are cruising at well over 200mph.

I tend to reach for my BS flag on this.
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Eric Isaacs, Photographer
Santa Barbara | CA | USA | Posted: 1:35 AM on 03.21.16
->> Kevin:

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28 minute maximum flight time, maximum control range of 3.1mi (5km).
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3.1 mile range, if it was literally 200 feet above the plane it seems reasonable that even at 200MPH a pilot might see it. And this is one of the tiny ones, if it happened to be one of the 6 or 8 rotor copters those things are pretty massive.

That said, I love my flying cameras and hope sensible legislation will make it easy for me to keep using them. Common sense needs to become more common.
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Bob Ford, Photographer
Lehighton | Pa | USA | Posted: 3:16 PM on 06.21.16
->> An AP story just came across the wire saying that the FAA just made a new category for drones weighing less than 55 pounds, and they can be flown commercially with no special permission.
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Doug Pizac, Photographer
Sandy | UT | USA | Posted: 6:06 PM on 06.21.16
->> Bob...

Either you read the story wrong or the story is wrong. Yes, drones can now be flown commercially but there are hoops one has to go through to get the FAA's permission to fly. The new rules split drone flying into two categories. For hobby or educational flying you do not need FAA approval as long as you abide by the same rules that model aircraft enthusiasts have flown under for decades. The second category is commercial -- such as real estate photography, farmers wanting aerial views of their crops, insurance inspections of damaged roofs, etc. For this you need to pass an exam, get TSA background clearance, etc. before your "special permission" is granted.

As to completing a small UAS online training course and taking the test, the FAA released this morning a list of qualified centers across the nation. I immediately contacted one at a local college that also teaches how to fly full-size aircraft. They have yet to receive the test from the FAA and don't expect to for a few weeks, whereupon the cost of taking the test is $160.

The test is going to involve knowing full-size aircraft terminology to properly communicate with airports and other authorities, so it won't be as simple as one would think. There will be a lot of studying to do. Unfortunately, there are no classes to prep for the test -- at least not yet -- as the FAA's syllabus has not been released yet. The flight instructor I talked with is asking his administration about creating a class which will probably be eight hours in length. I'm in Salt Lake City.

In the meantime, I'm working on a proposal for a major photo organization to create classes nationwide for photographers to be properly trained in order to take and pass the exam. So stay tuned.
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Stanley Leary, Photographer, Photo Editor
Roswell | GA | | Posted: 7:56 AM on 06.22.16
->> http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2016/06/21/faa-commercial-drone-rules/85.../

Great article in USATODAY
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Dennis Wierzbicki, Photographer
Chicago | IL | USA | Posted: 8:58 AM on 06.22.16
->> I've been in continuous contact with our local FAA FSDO over the past year, and there will be (IMO reasonable) hoops to jump through to obtain certification to fly drones under 55 pounds commercially.

The big item eliminated in the new regulations is one is no longer required to hold a minimum of a Sport Pilot License in order to fly a drone commercially.

I hadn't heard about any cost to take the test. From what I understand, filling out the form at the link below will provide information on an online course and presumably the associated test:

https://www.faasafety.gov/login/reg/Register.aspx

When I registered, there was a box to check to receive details for something like a "Small USA Operator".

Maybe the local college Doug spoke with is charging for their own instruction for those who want something in addition to what the FAA is going to provide?
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Dennis Wierzbicki, Photographer
Chicago | IL | USA | Posted: 9:28 AM on 06.22.16
->> Just saw this posted at the above FAA link:

"aUAS training coming soon"
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Dennis Wierzbicki, Photographer
Chicago | IL | USA | Posted: 11:17 AM on 06.22.16
->> The online course is now available. Register here:

https://www.faasafety.gov/login/reg/Register.aspx
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Dennis Wierzbicki, Photographer
Chicago | IL | USA | Posted: 12:30 PM on 06.22.16
->> Sigh, sure wish we could edit/add to existing posts...oh well, that horse has long ago been beaten to death herein.

Here's what I think happens. If you already have a 14 CFR Part 61 certification (licensed pilot), you can take the course and test online today, and get your sUAS "Certificate of Achievement" in Part 107 Small Unmanned Aircraft Systems.

If you don't have a Part 61, then you can take the course as soon as you register, but will be required to take a formal test at a CATS site, like any other written pilot exam, and it looks like these sites may not be ready to give tests until August.

http://www.catstest.com/airman-testing-exams/airman-knowledge-testing.php

There will likely be a fee to take this test, but I've asked our local FSDO for more details.
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