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Really ThinkTank? Seriously?
Chuck Liddy, Photographer, Photo Editor
PLANET | EARTH | | Posted: 1:35 AM on 01.14.15
->> Love the stuff you guys make. I own more than I care to admit but with your blog ya'll have "jumped the shark". Seriously, a three day photo course, lots of spare cash, celebrity access, and the ability to read an instruction manual makes you a "professional" photographer?

http://blog.thinktankphoto.com/2015/01/ken-griffey-jr-is-a-professional-pho.../

Wow. Just. Wow.
The word insulting comes to mind.
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Jim Pierce, Photographer
Waltham | MA | USA | Posted: 8:55 AM on 01.14.15
->> Wow is right Chuck...

I like the comment:

"When I’m on the sidelines, people don’t bother photographers so its a way for me to really watch the game”, Griffey says."

"watch the game" I shoot many events a week and in all honesty I DON"T watch the game, no matter what level. I am always looking for an interesting shot, anticipating the play call, or pass etc. I can't remember the last game I "watched".

Who is he shooting for? Is he getting paid, who did he shoot the Championship game for?

I have a great deal of ThinkTank gear but could use a new roller, mine is finally wearing out after many years.

Thinktank I could give you some content in what I deal with on a weekly basis? I sure could use a new roller. It won't be at the pro level as I don't and won't shoot on spec for this type of work but I can sure give you insight at other levels, 6 year olds through college. This will probably cover 90% of the photographers out there and what a real shooter/business owner deals with

I am NOT jealous at all just amazed at the article and some of the comments. I treat this as a business and the only spec work I do is a couple youth tournaments a year and I actually don't consider it spec as it has proven its worth many years over.

Jim
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Jim Pierce, Photographer
Waltham | MA | USA | Posted: 9:12 AM on 01.14.15
->> OK Just re-read the article he is shooting for ESPN but we will probably never know if he is getting paid or on spec.
and either way there are many that have worked there way up and should be there before him, unless he is better than them but I don't see anything in the images in the article that would lead me to believe he is.

Jim
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Jack Howard, Photographer, Photo Editor
Central Jersey | NJ | USA | Posted: 9:37 AM on 01.14.15
->> Someone should write a letter to that Carey guy on the NPPA leadership team about this, pronto!
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Jim Pierce, Photographer
Waltham | MA | USA | Posted: 10:27 AM on 01.14.15
->> I decided to do a little research and and went to look for Ken's photos on ESPN's site. Out of roughly 450 images of the fiesta bowl I did not see one with his credit. All I saw was credit to Getty. Maybe he was working for them?

I also found this article by sports illustrated.

http://www.si.com/extra-mustard/2015/01/01/ken-griffey-jr-photography-espn-...

I like this comment from the article:
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"Griffey has taken a shine to photography since his retirement from the big leagues. His new hobby afforded him the opportunity to watch his son, Arizona wide receiver Trey Griffey, both in the flesh and from behind the lens. Arizona eventually lost to Boise State, 38-30.

No word yet on whether all of Griffey's shots were of Trey, or just some of them. Look at the size of that lens, though!"

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I wonder how many other parents will be calling ESPN for credentials, you think the sideline is crowded now....

Thinktank you want to write an article about what 90% of pro photographers are up against I would welcome the opportunity. This is just the start.

I have nothing against Ken Griffey Jr. he is just the topic of these two articles that honestly are insulting to someone trying to make a living.
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Ron Alvey, Photographer
Dayton | OH | USA | Posted: 11:36 AM on 01.14.15
->> “When I’m on the sidelines, people don’t bother photographers so its a way for me to really watch the game”, Griffey says.

Now that is funny!

Watch the game. He's not under any pressure to produce.
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Sam Santilli, Photographer, Photo Editor
Philippi | WV | USA | Posted: 1:33 PM on 01.14.15
->> "Griffey is also using his photography talent to give back to local families. “In the area where I live in Florida, some people don’t have much money so I go out and shoot Pop Warner football games then make 8×10 prints for the parents. For me it’s about giving back something special to a family.”
JUST LIKE ALL OF THE GWC'S OUT THERE!

I have actually met Mr Griffey, and he was a really great guy to talk to. He was with the Reds then. I think if a retired pro athlete with a ton of cash in the bank wants to troll the sidelines, more power to him. Just hope it does not take away an assignment from a shooter who is working for a living.

At least he is a Nikon man ;)
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Brad Mangin, Photographer
Pleasanton | CA | USA | Posted: 3:08 PM on 01.14.15
->> You guys need to relax. My God. Griffey is not taking money out of anyone's pocket. He is not taking a job away from you or me or anyone else. He is a retired ballplayer who likes taking pictures. He is good friends with some guys who work at ESPN so he gets to shoot some sporting events. What is wrong with that?

Nothing.

Griffey and guys like him aint the problem.

ThinkTank and Deanne simply put together a fun little feature on a former great ballplayer who is going into the Hall of Fame who has found something he likes doing in retirement, and oh yeah- he is using their bags.

If everyone stopped worrying about stuff like this and simply handled their own business the proper way by not signing bad contracts and not shooting for the crooked so called wire services the world would be a much better place.
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Stanley Leary, Photographer, Photo Editor
Roswell | GA | | Posted: 4:58 PM on 01.14.15
->> Well said Brad. by the way Happy Birthday!

It is a marketing piece. Just think of it this like Ashton Kutchar plugging Nikon.

Bottom line he has access because he was a professional athlete.

Randy Johnson is also shooting.

http://petapixel.com/2015/01/01/ken-griffey-jr-randy-johnson-two-baseball-s.../

You get access two ways: Who you know and based on your work.

Go out and prove why you should be on the sidelines–AND avoid using words.
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Chuck Liddy, Photographer, Photo Editor
PLANET | EARTH | | Posted: 5:03 PM on 01.14.15
->> Brad, I'm a pretty relaxed guy. I never said in my post Griffey's a problem. In fact, if ThinkTank wants to pimp him out as someone famous who uses their equipment that's fine too. I took offense that they would purport to call him a professional. That was it. I can throw and hit a baseball, run with a football and hit the occasional three-pointer but none of those things make me a sports "professional". To some extent it shows how much even folks in the photo business are out of touch. I just would have left that (professional) out of the blog post and no one would have raised an eyebrow (at least not me)......now since it's your birthday go have a beer and put it on my tab! Happy Birthday! 8)
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Gene Boyars, Photographer
Manalapan | NJ | United States | Posted: 5:07 PM on 01.14.15
->> Just a quick note on Randy Johnson, he was a PJ major in college,has been involved in photography since those day and has pursued it professionally since his retirement. He is far from some GWC so picked it up once he retired from baseball. With his retirement, he now has the time to go back to something else he loves and is very very good at to boot.
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Brad Mangin, Photographer
Pleasanton | CA | USA | Posted: 6:16 PM on 01.14.15
->> Thanks Chuck! What's better? Your three-point jumper or your splitter? I hope you will have a few beers with me tonight in spirit!
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Mark Loundy, Photo Editor, Photographer
San Jose | CA | USA | Posted: 10:33 PM on 01.14.15
->> What Brad said.

The real threats to the profession are those who think of themselves as pros, but whose starry eyes blind them to business realities.

--Mark
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Jim Pierce, Photographer
Waltham | MA | USA | Posted: 7:35 AM on 01.15.15
->> Brad,

I agree with you half way and if the article read more like what you describe and did not use the terms "professional" and "shooting for..." I would have read it totally differently and agree with you 100%.

I related this to an experience I had earlier this year when I was covering a basketball game, NOT ON spec but was getting paid to shoot one of the teams. At the half I tried to go to the other endline and had to "squeeze" in as there was barely any room due to all of the spec shooters, multiple from the same agency too. The first thing I thought of was oh great once some future hall of famer retires from the NBA there goes another spot under the hoop.

I also read this right after I got an e-mail that I was not awarded a significant Little league contract and the reason was I was not going to give back 30%, like company "X" is, to the league. We are now at 30% for one year deals, this is also getting as ridiculous as the spec shooting. They said they would rather go with me and if I gave 25% they would, guess what I said....

So I stand by my comments based on the way the article reads but knowing what you described I could care less as long as he or anybody, as I don't really care what is name is or what he did, does not interfere with someone getting paid from doing their job

Jim
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Vincent Johnson, Photographer
Chicago | IL | USA | Posted: 1:20 PM on 01.15.15
->> Can I just say there is a long list of guys on the sidelines of pro & college games that aren't even there on spec, it's just for fun.

Yeah Griffey got some press because he's Griffey, but at the end of the day did he really steal a job away from any of us? Judging by the photos, no.

Plain and simple, guys with no business being on the sidelines are going to be there until there's some thing really stupid that happens and teams put the lockdown on sideline passes.
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Stanley Leary, Photographer, Photo Editor
Roswell | GA | | Posted: 9:27 PM on 01.15.15
->> While not exactly apples to apples article, the basic idea of you can't do anything about some people in the industry I think applies here.

I thought it was well written

http://www.milliondollarphotographer.com/are-new-cheap-photographers.html
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