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Icon Sportswire
Kevin Sousa, Photographer
Toronto | ON | Canada | Posted: 6:35 PM on 12.15.14
->> Does anyone on the board shoot for Icon? I have a few questions about requesting games as a newbie photog.
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Andrew Knapik, Photographer, Assistant
Southgate | MI | USA | Posted: 8:06 PM on 12.15.14
->> Contact Steve King out of Ann Arbor, MI. I know hie shoots for Icon.
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Kevin Sousa, Photographer
Toronto | ON | Canada | Posted: 9:43 PM on 12.15.14
->> Thanks Andrew. I'm new to the game and I don't want to bog down my contact at ICON with questions.
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Ric Tapia, Photographer, Photo Editor
Los Angeles | CA | USA | Posted: 11:01 PM on 12.15.14
->> Kevin,
The editors at Icon are more than willing to help you out. Editors would rather answer your questions than fix your mistakes.
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Josh Weisberg, Photographer
Redmond | WA | | Posted: 11:46 AM on 12.16.14
->> I shoot for Icon - feel free to ping me.
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Rick Yeatts, Photographer
Dallas | TX | USA | Posted: 5:12 AM on 12.23.14
->> Does Icon still pay on speck?
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Doug Pizac, Photographer
Sandy | UT | USA | Posted: 11:45 AM on 12.23.14
->> Question for those already shooting for the agency.

Your pictures for ICON Sportswire are being redistributed via AP Images -- the wire service's commercial arm. How much money do you earn from that sharing business model? And do the sales records for your royalties reflect the trickle down compensation? How transparent is the accounting?

For example, if your share with ICON is 50% and a photo is licensed for $100 then you get $50. But if your image is licensed via AP Images, then AP and ICON make $50 each whereupon your split is halved to $25 -- half of ICON's share. (I used a 50-50 split for simple math; actual percentages may vary.)

I ask because I teach college photo courses and a major part of my instruction and other teachers is realizing and treating one's work as a business if you want to survive financially. And understanding how contracts and sharing agreements work is vital to that survival. Final royalty numbers could also vary depending on the revenue sharing deal between agencies, promo rates and various overhead fees that are sometimes collected before splits are calculated. I would like to use your answers in my classes as a teaching tool.

A friend of mine contributed to another agency, spent 6 hours shooting/editing/transmitting a college football game and his trickle down amount from a sharing agreement between his agency and another was 75 cents on a licensing deal to a newspaper. Earning himself less than 13 cents an hour woke him up. (Subtract the actual cost of the gasoline for his car and he ended up in the red.) He no longer shoots for the agency.

And for those shooting for USA Today Sports Images, is there any royalty line item on your statements for having your imagery being shared/distributed by Reuters? Or is that agency considered a "subscriber" whereupon your cut is included in the $125 flat fee you get whereupon Gannett keeps 100% of whatever money Reuters pays for your picture use to sublicense to its clients?
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Chuck Liddy, Photographer, Photo Editor
PLANET | EARTH | | Posted: 1:28 PM on 12.23.14
->> Wow!!! $.13/hour!! what a deal! sign me up. I'm not very good at math but my calculations....

....the current price of a Nikon D4 body is about $7000.
at $.13/hour you would have to work NON-STOP 24 HOURS A DAY for 6.1 years (YES SIX YEARS) to buy ONE body. That does not include a lens.
If you think this is a good deal you are in serious need of a mental health professional.
But I realize after all these years of attempting to educate "photographers" to this kind of "deal" it's pretty useless. We have two or three Icon shooters show up at every game....along with an AP staffer.
It will never change....what might change is AP may one day realize they can get photos from these spec guys and just eliminate staff positions.....
I'm afraid there are sad days ahead.
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Scott Miller, Photographer
Sorrento | FL | | Posted: 8:07 PM on 12.23.14
->> Doug... I take it you are no longer shooting for USPW/USATSI ?

And yes I did at one point - I was an original shooter for USPW... Back before all the deals they have made...
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Doug Pizac, Photographer
Sandy | UT | USA | Posted: 9:45 PM on 12.23.14
->> Scott...

I am no longer with USPW/USATSI. Last year the agency wanted to deny me image rights that the agreement says I and all contributors have. I refused to budge. Instead of honoring the contract language the relationship ended. I now make a lot more money per game/event by shooting for myself and distributing through my own network.
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Clark Brooks, Photo Editor, Photographer
Urbana | IL | USA | Posted: 12:59 PM on 12.24.14
->> "I now make a lot more money per game/event by shooting for myself and distributing through my own network."

Bravo.
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