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Canon 7D MKII Focus Issues
Derek Regensburger, Photographer
Thornton | CO | United States | Posted: 3:14 PM on 11.12.14
->> Anyone else having issues with focusing from their Canon 7D MKII? I shot a volleyball tournament with it and I seemed to get many shots that were slightly out of focus. I don't know if I got a bad body or if the camera in general has some issues. I was using a 70-200 2.8 II set at ISO 3200, 1/800 and f2.8. I was using the center AF point with AI Servo. The focusing system seemed to be quick and responsive but in editing I had to toss a lot. Even players that were serving, which should have been an easy target for the autofocus system, were often a little fuzzy. I had a lot of sharp balls or hands and out of focus faces.

I would say ISO 3200 was usable with a little noise reduction but still a little grainy. ISO 6400 seemed out of the question. In general, I wouldn't call the image quality tack sharp out of the camera.

I ended up returning the body since Focal isn't available yet to use AFMA.
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Tim Gangloff, Photographer
Knoxville | Tn | USA | Posted: 3:53 PM on 11.12.14
->> I sent mine back to BHPhoto. I guess I was a bit overly-optimistic that it would shoot sharp images, even though everything I've seen online makes it look a bit soft. Even some of the links on this forum have been to photographers presenting less than sharp images. I thought maybe I could do better with the 7d2. I was wrong.

I shot a high ISO soccer game and got terrible results. Thought to myself, OK, that was not a fair test, so next day I shot a day soccer game with great conditions, cloudy and somewhat bright. Again, terrible results. Shots that looked like they were in focus were soft or at least not as sharp as my 1d4 or 5d3. Not even close.

Then I shot it at a nice D1 arena with great LED lighting. Again, garbage results.

Everything looked great in the viewfinder. Focus looked sharp, tracking was great, FPS were excellent, in fact I liked everything but the image.

I tried some on the fly MFA settings, from -20 to +20 and everything in between. From static shots to moving targets and almost nothing yielded sharp images.

I admit I probably did not process them very well as I only could use the Canon software as LR does yet support the 7d2, but even still, the images were just not up to my standards (5d3 and 1d4 quality).

On a positive note, the poor performance finally made me pull the trigger on the 1dx, which I have used before courtesy of CPS, and know that it can rock.

So, yeah, ditto. And I have not seen anyone really getting tack sharp images with it yet. I've seen some that are pretty good, but nothing as sharp as the 5d3, 1d4 or 1dx. It was actually pretty disappointing as everything else seemed to rock on the camera, except that little thing called image quality.
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Derek Regensburger, Photographer
Thornton | CO | United States | Posted: 5:37 PM on 11.13.14
->> Seems as though I did not get a lemon, then, based on your similar observations, Tim. Here is a link to my thoughts and images from the camera. http://regensburgerphotography.com/canon-7d-mkii-review/
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Marvin Gentry, Photographer
Birmingham | AL | USA | Posted: 1:08 AM on 11.14.14
->> So I think I am having issues also. Open the image up in Photomechanic and its sharp but when I open it in CS6 , Lightroom 4 and Canon Professional the images seem soft. It has appeared to get worse as I have been shooting . I am going to double check some things in the morning . BTW what focus mode are ya'll using for football?
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Chuck Liddy, Photographer, Photo Editor
PLANET | EARTH | | Posted: 1:18 PM on 11.14.14
->> I'll be honest. After looking at some of those photos I'm not really seeing OOF or soft. I'm seeing motion blur. I have found that shutter speeds with digital don't seem to stop action the same as they did with film. I know that sounds crazy but I have to shoot at higher shutter speeds now than I did with film. it used to be with film 1/640th stopped game action in all but a few cases. now I'm shooting at 1/800th and 1/1000th to get the same results. I'm not saying there might be an issue with soft focus but several of those shots in the volleyball group look like motion blur....try to shoot at a higher shutter speed and see if you get the same effect. good luck.
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Jim Karczewski, Photographer, Assistant
Hammond | IN | USA | Posted: 1:47 PM on 11.14.14
->> Marvin-

PM uses a 1.5MP JPG image stored in the RAW (unless you are shooting JPG) Even then, an image sized down (unless again you are zooming to 100% in PM) is going to appear sharper at a smaller size.
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Jim Karczewski, Photographer, Assistant
Hammond | IN | USA | Posted: 1:48 PM on 11.14.14
->> My biggest issue is no LR or PS Support for RAW files (unless I missed an update, but I'm pretty sure I'm current...)
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Marvin Gentry, Photographer
Birmingham | AL | USA | Posted: 2:12 PM on 11.14.14
->> Jim, I believe my issue came from turning on the HIGH ISO noise reduction. I have turned it completely off and it seems that i am having no issues now .
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Jim Karczewski, Photographer, Assistant
Hammond | IN | USA | Posted: 1:32 AM on 11.15.14
->> I shot at ISO 16,000 tonight with Flicker Correction enabled. And the files coming from the 7D2 are as good, if not better than the files from the 1Dx especially with the Flicker Correction enabled at a notoriously "flickery" stadium. How people can say 6400 is horrid coming from the 7DII is just beyond comprehension. I asked another news journalist what he thought and he agreed that the 7DII at high ISO's were just as good as what's coming out of his 5D3.
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Bob Markey, Photographer
Royal Palm Beach | FL | USA | Posted: 11:22 AM on 11.15.14
->> I'd love to see some examples. I am considering a 7D Mark II or a Mark IV.
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Jim Karczewski, Photographer, Assistant
Hammond | IN | USA | Posted: 12:17 PM on 11.15.14
->> As soon as I get a chance.. hopefully later tonight.
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Steve Ueckert, Photographer
Houston | TX | | Posted: 9:45 AM on 11.16.14
->> Jim Karczewski may have hit the salient point:

"My biggest issue is no LR or PS Support for RAW files. . . ."

Until there is an available RAW processor with which a shooter is functionally familiar, LR or PS, I don't think it reasonable to compare results from any camera with those from a camera shot as RAW and post processed.

I agree with Chuck with regards to the volleyball images, I see motion blur degradation more than a lack of sharp focus.
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Marvin Gentry, Photographer
Birmingham | AL | USA | Posted: 1:48 PM on 11.16.14
->> Bob here are some examples: the photo ending in 433 was shot at 16,000 ISO.
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Marvin Gentry, Photographer
Birmingham | AL | USA | Posted: 2:21 PM on 11.16.14
->> Derek turn your in camera noise reduction off completely. I have found that the camera is sharper with that off .
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David Seelig, Photographer
Hailey | ID | USA | Posted: 9:28 PM on 11.16.14
->> To Echo what George said when I went from 10 mp to 16 and 18 I notcied 1/500 no longer cut it for sprots 1/1000 was what I needed
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Chuck Liddy, Photographer, Photo Editor
PLANET | EARTH | | Posted: 12:01 AM on 11.17.14
->> As usual in most cases it's not the equipment. It's the operator.
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Marvin Gentry, Photographer
Birmingham | AL | USA | Posted: 12:16 PM on 11.17.14
->> You are correct Mr Liddy!
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Bob Markey, Photographer
Royal Palm Beach | FL | USA | Posted: 4:11 PM on 11.17.14
->> Marvin, where is the photo?
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Derek Regensburger, Photographer
Thornton | CO | United States | Posted: 4:13 PM on 11.18.14
->> I had High ISO noise reduction set at low for my test images. Judging from the images posted on Imaging Resource, however, high ISO NR set at low really only starts to noticeably degrade an image at 6400 or higher on either the 5D MKIII or 7D MKII. However, I will try turning it off completely next time and shooting at 1/1000th or higher. Of course, that means shooting at higher ISOs still (4000-5000).

As to a comparison btwn the 5D MKIII and 7D MKII at high ISO, I would say the 5DMKIII is a full stop better (the DxO Mark tests back this up). I think the 7DMKII has more pleasing pattern to the noise, however I would never go above 6400 on a MKIII because I don't like all the noise it introduces and thus the need to use programs like DeNoise to reduce it.
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Joseph Buvid, Photographer, Assistant
Spring | TX | USA | Posted: 8:48 PM on 11.18.14
->> I've shot 4 football games since getting the camera a couple of weeks ago. When I had Noise reduction on High, I felt the images were soft but figured it was because I was on the wrong AF focusing setup. But when I moved it back down to normal, I felt that they were very sharp. The night games I've shot, I've been 6400iso 1/1250 at f3.2 and 8000iso 1/1000 at f3.2 and seen great results. Day games even better results. I've really enjoyed this new body. While yes I too have an issue with the lack of Camera Raw support, I figure it's an Adobe issue right now. Not trying to call anybody out but if you have a camera that has a useable ISO up to 16000 why limit yourself at 3200? If you went up to 8000 you may have had a different opinion.
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Ken Shelton, Photographer
Sarasota | FL | USA | Posted: 10:00 AM on 11.19.14
->> Raw support for 7DM2 in Lightroom 5.7:

Lightroom 5.7 is now available as a final release on Adobe.com and through the update mechanism in Lightroom 5. The goal of this release is to provide support for additional camera raw support, lens profile support and address bugs that were introduced in previous releases of Lightroom.

Release Notes

Features

Updates to Synced Collections:

Synced collections now show a more prominent share button at the top of the Toolbar. This allows you to quickly share your synced collection with friends, family, and clients using Lightroom web (
http://lightroom.adobe.com).
Comments and likes left on Lightroom web now sync to the Lightroom desktop catalog. Comments and Likes will be shown in the “Comment” panel for synced collections.
Images with comments and likes will display a badge indicating that there are comments and a colored badge to indicate that there are unread comments.

Integrated a utility to import images from Apple Aperture and Apple iPhoto libraries into Lightroom:

Previously available as a separate and downloadable plug-in, this utility has now been integrated into Lightroom 5.7

New Camera Support in Lightroom 5.7

Canon EOS 7D Mark II
Canon PowerShot G7 X
Canon PowerShot SX60 HS

New Lens Profile Support in Lightroom 5.7
Mount Name
Canon EF Zeiss Otus 1.4/85 ZE
Canon EF SIGMA 18-300mm F3.5-6.3 DC MACRO OS HSM C014
Canon EF SIGMA 150-600mm F5-6.3 DG OS HSM S014
Canon EF Tokina AT-X 116 PRO DX-II 11-16mm f/2.8


Bugs Corrected in Lightroom 5.7

The crop overlay displayed an intermediate step when progressing through images in the filmstrip with overlay displayed.
The lens profile for the Canon EF 16-35mm f/4 would not auto-select when using Lens Profile Corrections.
ICC profiles resulted in incorrectly clipped shadows and blacks in Lightroom. Note that this is related to the issue identified here and only occurs on Mac OSX 10.9 and later
Fixed crash when rapidly adding corrections with the Spot Removal tool.
Fixed bug that prevented the Filter Brush cursor from displaying while changing brush size when the Graduated and Radial Filter overlay is turned off.
Improved quality of Camera Matching color profiles for the Nikon D810. Fixes visible banding issues with the Camera Standard, Camera Vivid, Camera Landscape, and Camera Monochrome profiles.
(
http://feedback.photoshop.com/photoshop_family/topics/lightroom_5_icc_profi...)
Context menu (right click on PC or control+click on Mac) was disabled for images contained in Lightroom mobile collections.
Fixed issue that prevented Lightroom 5 from reading Photoshop Elements 13 libraries.
Cover images set by Lightroom mobile were sometimes incorrectly reset by Lightroom desktop.
Sync with Lightroom mobile sometimes stalled when asset is added to same album on both LrM and LrD and later deleted
Resolved issue that caused Lightroom to crash when creating a Print and saving it to a mounted DVD directly inside Lightroom.
Publishing images to Behance using the Behance Publish Service has been restored.

Download Links:

Lightroom 5.7:

Mac –
http://www.adobe.com/support/downloads/detail.jsp?ftpID=5852

Win –
http://www.adobe.com/support/downloads/detail.jsp?ftpID=5853
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Marvin Gentry, Photographer
Birmingham | AL | USA | Posted: 11:49 AM on 11.19.14
->> Bob here is the link: http://marvingentry.photoshelter.com/gallery/CANON-7D-MKII-Files/G0000.mHHJ.../

also on this link the one with _G77 are with the 7DMKII and the ons with _HY_ are with a 1DX

http://marvingentry.photoshelter.com/gallery/141115-Alabama-vs-Mississippi-.../
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Joseph Buvid, Photographer, Assistant
Spring | TX | USA | Posted: 8:01 PM on 11.19.14
->> Just to add to the Lightroom update, Photoshop also is now updated and supports the 7D Mark II CR2 files.
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Doug Strickland, Photographer
Chattanooga | TN | USA | Posted: 2:24 PM on 11.23.14
->> I shot Tennessee football last night with the 7DII (JPEG with NR set to low) and was very pleased with the results at ISO 3200. I didn't try anything higher than that, but I had no issues with soft images and the focusing was some of the quickest and the best tracking I've ever used.
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