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Best NAS Hard Drives?
Jim Pierce, Photographer
Waltham | MA | USA | Posted: 5:50 PM on 08.16.14
->> I am looking for a simple cost effective way to back up AND be able to access the files when I am not in the office. I currently just drag and drop files to 2 USB external hard drives, same data on each. I want to be able to access one of these drives while in the field. I believe this is what the Western Digital My cloud drives do.

Has anyone had experience with these or other similar drives. I know there are the drive bays from Drobo and synology but the are far more costly.

What options would you recommend or what do you use?

Jim
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Chuck Steenburgh, Photographer
Lexington | VA | USA | Posted: 8:41 PM on 08.16.14
->> Jim,

This isn't exactly what you were looking for, but...about the same time as I acquired a Synology enclosure with cloud capabilities, I also started using TeamViewer for remote access. Found the latter so easy for remotely accessing and searching for photos that I never bothered to configure the remote cloud.

Chuck
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Jim Pierce, Photographer
Waltham | MA | USA | Posted: 8:59 PM on 08.16.14
->> Chuck,

I looked into that but from what I see is that the office pc must be on etc. it does not look like the PC that the Synology or the like is attached to needs to be on as long as the unit is on it is available.

I am starting to lean towards the 2 bay Synology rather than the WD my cloud has it does get many bad reviews. Which Synology do you have and have you used it in the manner I described above, how do your clients like pulling files from it?

Jim
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Chuck Steenburgh, Photographer
Lexington | VA | USA | Posted: 6:44 AM on 08.17.14
->> I have the 212j, low end but features out the wazoo. I've never set it up in the way you describe, though - remote access works for what I need, and frankly, I found the Synology cloud setup pretty complicated. I'm sure someone here smarter than me has figured it out!
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Travis Haughton, Photographer
Oak Park | IL | USA | Posted: 2:37 PM on 08.17.14
->> Look into an Airport Extreme. With Dyndns and some configuration you can access the built-in drive over the internet and also any hard drive connected to its USB port.

I use it to remotely back up via Time Machine and copy to a second Drobo over the internet to drives at my parents house in another state. You're limited by the weakest upload/download speed in the chain, so that's something to keep in mind.
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Alan Look, Photographer
Bloomington - Normal | IL | United States | Posted: 3:50 PM on 08.17.14
->> Currently using a PogoPlug set up usb'd to a multiport usb hub to a number of usb enclosed western digital drives. The plus is that as long as the drives are plugged in and the router at the house is on and operational, I can get to anything from almost anything with an internet connection (including a smart phone) and cost is fairly inexpensive. The downside is speed. So many speed sucking devices and options. every device seems to siphon speed on the way to and from those drives.
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Steven Limentani, Photographer
Charlotte | NC | United States | Posted: 12:35 AM on 08.18.14
->> Jim, there have been a couple of recent threads that have addressed this issue.

http://www.sportsshooter.com/message_display.html?tid=42071

The first post on the thread above references the prior one. Feel free to contact me if you would like to discuss further.
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Gary Jones, Photographer
Rocklin | CA | United States | Posted: 5:30 PM on 08.18.14
->> I have a Synology DS413 (4 bay) and a Drobo FS 5 bay. I used to have two Drobos but had a bad experience when trying to recover from having 2 drives fail in my Drobo. Turns out the Drobo was not providing any alerts when the first drive was failing.

Both of my NAS units contain the same data. I rotate them between home and office.

Make sure you get NAS friendly hard drives. Apparently one of the reasons I was getting drive failures with my Drobos was due to the vibration of the the drives. I have 4 WD RED 3TB (WD30EFRX) in my Synology for over a year with no issues so far. I plan to replace my Drobo with a Synology soon.

Gary
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John Blankfort, Photographer, Assistant
La Jolla | CA | USA | Posted: 10:15 PM on 08.18.14
->> I'm running a Qnap TS-439 NAS It's got all the normal remote access tools like SFTP and FTP. Plus you can also use their mobile apps for both iOS and Android. In addition you can install BitTorrent Sync.

BitTorrent Sync uses the bulletproof BitTorrent protocol, to privately sync any data in the specified folders to all your devices. Just copy files into the sync folder and it will sync the files to your phone, tablet, MAC or PC. It's Dropbox on steroids, never hiccups and if you loose your connection it doesn't matter, it will just sync when it gets a connection again.

I use Qnap's Qfile Android app to copy the files on the NAS to the sync folder on the NAS. BitTorrent Sync then takes over and distributes the files to my other devices.

I think you can also do the same thing with most Synology NAS's.

More about it -
http://www.bittorrent.com/sync

While the NAS setup is not that simple, usage and setting up everything except the NAS is.
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James Broome, Photographer
Tampa | FL | US | Posted: 12:58 PM on 08.19.14
->> Gary makes a very good point about choosing the correct hard drives to place into your NAS. I had been using standard Western Digital drives in my 4-year old Synology for years. I'd experience a failure once a year. I did some research and ended up using the same drives Gary uses - the Western Digital Red drives. Mine now houses four 3TB WD Red drives.
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Jim Pierce, Photographer
Waltham | MA | USA | Posted: 4:46 PM on 08.19.14
->> Thanks for all of the input and the other links, it all has been informative. After doing the research and speaking with others that use the Synology in the same way I plan on, I went with the DS412+. I did get 2, 4TB red drives. This never crossed my mind as I was going to get "normal" drives but I was advised not too by everyone that I spoke with.

I will pick up 2 more drives soon.

I should get this tomorrow and have my IT guy coming over to hook it up and get me going.

I will let you know how it goes.

Jim
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Jim Pierce, Photographer
Waltham | MA | USA | Posted: 8:44 AM on 08.24.14
->> All,

I have my Synology DS412+ hooked up and working. I have qty 2, 4TB Western Digital Red Drives installed and setup to mirror. I have also been able to get it setup to share folders over the internet with defined permissions and passwords. One thing I like is that I can hide all other folders that people don't have access to. So they only see the folders they can get into via the login that I assign.

I had my IT expert come over to do it but honestly I could have done it, it was not that difficult but I am sure if I tried I would have found something that would go wrong or couldn't do.

Speed is fairly good, I copy over 112GB to both drives in 20 minutes or so. The speed of someone off site accessing files is also fairly quick.

This is going to be well worth the extra $$$ and I have yet to scratch the surface on what it can do.

Jim
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Steven Limentani, Photographer
Charlotte | NC | United States | Posted: 9:16 PM on 08.24.14
->> Jim, the only comment that I would make is that if you are going to buy a lot of drives, the additional 1 TB for 4 TB drives over 3 TB is hard to justify.
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Jim Karczewski, Photographer, Assistant
Hammond | IN | USA | Posted: 3:40 AM on 08.25.14
->> I would say yes and no. When you have finite spaces (say you can't expand) then going for larger drives would be valuable. Hell, I'm looking into a Synology now and I plan on getting a 4 drive system and putting the new 6TB drives in them. Why? Because I have 25TB on my server (Raid 6 with a hot-swap available) and in order to back up at least the important things I'll need 6TB drives which would give me a 18TB Raid 5 Synology. If you have unlimited expansion capabilities (depending on the price) then sure, the 3 vs 4 isn't a big deal, which is why I populated 26 of my 30 drive bays in my server with 3TB drives. If I need more space in the future I can slowly pull them out one by one and replace them with 4TB or 6TB if they have come down in price by the time I need it and be happy, or, I can add another external box to my server as the controller (with port multiplier) will support 128 drives which I think is quite a bit more than I'll ever need.
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James Broome, Photographer
Tampa | FL | US | Posted: 10:18 AM on 08.25.14
->> I was more concerned with setting it up initially with only 2 drives in a mirrored configuration since I am not certain of the migration possibilities when adding 2 more drives and moving to a striped RAID style setup. Well, aside from copying everything off, then back on.
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Jim Karczewski, Photographer, Assistant
Hammond | IN | USA | Posted: 8:03 PM on 08.25.14
->> Well, most, MOST will let you expand even to larger volumes. You could take a 2 drive mirror and convert it to a 4 drive Raid 5 and IF the software is smart enough, it would recognize the difference and only use 3TB of the 4TB drives to migrate to a different raid level.

However, with currently having mirrored drives, all he would have to do is take out 1 of the drives that's mirrored, add 2 more drives, set it as a raid 5 or whatever level then add the other drive back as independent drive, copy over to the other 3 hard drives and once completed migrate that drive into the system.

It's all based on how smart the software and/or controller is... I've found some companies are a lot better with their hardware/software (Areca) than say LSI which I've "upgraded" to and find it missing so many features but my poor old Areca board doesn't allow me to use larger than 2TB drives so I was very limited. The Areca I had the computer reboot in the middle of a migration and when it came back up it continued. With the LSI.. I ended up losing some of my data and had to pay $900 to have someone rebuild what they could of the data remaining. Big lesson learned there.
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James Broome, Photographer
Tampa | FL | US | Posted: 9:43 PM on 08.25.14
->> The Synology will let you expand, but I don't know if it will let you change the type of RAID in the process.
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James Broome, Photographer
Tampa | FL | US | Posted: 9:47 PM on 08.25.14
->> Just looked it up. The Synology software will allow a migration from RAID 1 to RAID 5. That won't help if Jim's tech guy setup the system as RAID 0.
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James Broome, Photographer
Tampa | FL | US | Posted: 9:49 PM on 08.25.14
->> But if it was setup to write same data to both drives, then it is most likely RAID 1 and he'll be fine.
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Steven Limentani, Photographer
Charlotte | NC | United States | Posted: 10:19 PM on 08.25.14
->> Not sure I understand why you would buy something with so few bays. The 1813 has eight and is expandable to 18. Many other options as well and do not forget Drobo.
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Jim Pierce, Photographer
Waltham | MA | USA | Posted: 1:53 PM on 09.01.14
->> Another update and this sure is a learning experience in networking.....

I just added a DDNS host name to my setup, I used NOIP.com, and had a tough time getting it to work. All ports were forwarded correctly but the link between the IP and DNS hostname was not made. I could use the external IP and it would work fine just needed to link the hostname to this. I knew it was just trying to find how to link it. Thanks to Geoffrey Bolte it was a simple screen in the synology external access menu that I could not find. NO-IP.com was listed and a very simple setup.

I have this setup so that I can simply add drives and good to go, raid 1.

So looks like it is fully operational, for my current needs, and perfect timing for the fall season.

Jim
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