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The Big Three Airliines Decrease Carryon Bag Size
Robert Hanashiro, Photographer
Los Angeles | CA | | Posted: 3:59 AM on 06.16.14
->> http://www.usatoday.com/story/travel/columnist/hobica/2014/06/10/carry-on-l.../
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Garrett Hubbard, Photographer
Washington | D.C. | USA | Posted: 7:38 AM on 06.16.14
->> Ugh. Thankfully I don't fly as much anymore. Good news, the Think Tank Airport Security 2.0 still meets those 22x14x9 requirements.
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Doug Pizac, Photographer
Sandy | UT | USA | Posted: 11:03 AM on 06.16.14
->> I went to the United page link in the story and it confirmed their new size specs -- 22x14x9.

I then clicked on the Delta link and got a THAT'S FORBIDDEN notice saying I don't have permission to view that page. Here's the URL to its specs that I found manually.
http://www.delta.com/content/www/en_US/traveling-with-us/baggage/during-you...

It says the max dimensions are 22x14x9 too. Southwest is 24x16x10. Alaska Airlines is more generous at 24x17x10.

The story also says the smaller sizes are due to a "new FAA regulation" yet there is no confirmation about that by the reporter. No claim/fact checking?

According to the FAA's site, it says "The maximum size carry-on bag for most airlines is 45 linear inches (the total of the height, width, and depth of the bag). Anything larger should be checked." There is nothing about the FAA regulating specific side lengths, nor does it says that 45" is a maximum mandate. While 22x14x9 fits the 45" number, the reporter's carry-on totaled 44" -- less than the so-called FAA rule he was told he was in non-compliance with. Again, there is no FAA rule. The page simply informs what most airlines go by -- 45 inches.

Here's the URL link. And while the page was updated April 30, 2013 it doesn't say what was updated.
http://www.faa.gov/passengers/prepare_fly/baggage/

It would be most helpful that when the next time one of us flies and is confronted by an agent over size regulations to please get what that specific regulation code is from the person and post it here for the rest of us to check out and have in hand if needed when we fly and are confronted. I've had to educate a few agents about their own airline's rules regarding allowances for the media by showing them their own company printouts. I'm now putting a printout of the FAA's 45" with no specific side size spec in my traveling kit.

I just flew Southwest yesterday and saw luggage larger than that airline's specs come on board. My "assumption" is that by enforcing the smaller size the airlines are creating a revenue stream for themselves by forcing people to check their baggage and pay the associated fees. With Delta it is $25 for the first bag, $35 for the second, $125 for the third and $200 each for bags 4 through 10.

As to physical space, the overhead compartments are standardized by the airline manufacturers, not the airlines. The bins in an Alaska Airlines 707 jet are the same in Delta's 707 plane. So if it fits in a Southwest plane it will fit in the same plane flown by American, United and Delta. Thus the assumption that the new specs are to increase revenues.
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Steve Violette, Photographer
Gulf Breeze | FL | USA | Posted: 12:53 PM on 06.16.14
->> Really - when was the last time you were denied carrying on a bag? I travel lots and mind the rules, and every flight I take, there are people carrying on 3 or four bags, or two bags that are actually larger than the original permitted size. The only problems I run into is on the small commuter jets where the overheads allow you to fir a cereal box
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Robert Hanashiro, Photographer
Los Angeles | CA | | Posted: 2:04 PM on 06.16.14
->> I've seen it a lot actually.

I limit my carry on to just a Think Tank ShapeShifter backpack, which can fit under the seat. But I've seen many travelers have to gate check their rollers, duffels, big backpacks, etc. when they can't fit them into the sizer.

Airlines are getting more aggressive on this. It's a revenue generator and they also think planes load faster without so many carry on bags.
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Steve Violette, Photographer
Gulf Breeze | FL | USA | Posted: 2:14 PM on 06.16.14
->> robert - that is the way I go as well - and no question it is a revenue generator. I'm still wondering why just prior to flights Delta seems to canvas the crowd and say they will check bags for free in order to free up space, maybe this will now change

Thanks for making the original post
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Phil Hawkins, Photographer
Fresno | ca | usa | Posted: 2:37 PM on 06.16.14
->> Last time I was forced to check a bag it was at the gate and there was no charge. No one at the ticket counters even attempts to look at my carry-ons. My computer case stays underneath the counter out of sight of the person making my boarding passes, and they never ask, never try to look... Just did this last week. I also see people with pillows, one gal had a "boogie-board" surfboard! I'm with Steve, I never get refused my camera bag, a Tamrac Expedition 8, the biggest one they make.
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Wesley R. Bush, Photographer
Murfreesboro | TN | U.S. | Posted: 4:33 PM on 06.16.14
->> I don't know if it's SOLEY a money-maker. I fly Southwest, and if I don't get an early boarding number, a lot of times the front seats' overhead bins are already full. So even if I want to grab a front seat with an opening, I have to walk back and jam my carry-on halfway back in the plane, which is a pain to do and get back to my seat against the grain. And when we land, same thing - I'm often nowhere near my bag when it's my turn to exit.
So any way they can get people to stop bringing a suitcase and a backpack and a coat and a purse and a pillow, I would appreciate the effort.
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Phil Hawkins, Photographer
Fresno | ca | usa | Posted: 4:47 PM on 06.16.14
->> There will be no way to stop people from at least trying to bring the kitchen sink onto the airplane. The airline industry did this to themselves. What did they expect to happen when they started nickel-and-diming passengers??
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Gene Boyars, Photographer
Manalapan | NJ | United States | Posted: 9:45 PM on 06.16.14
->> United start using the new sizer back in early March. There has been a lot of talk about it but on the few flights I have taken since then I have never seen it actually used. Yes it sits by the gate. Yes, I see people bringing luggage on board and stuffing in a overhead despite it clearly being over size...and I wonder if my old Think Tank Airport Security V1 is going to make it they ever ask.....It all makes me glad I don't fly as much as I did years ago.
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Robert Seale, Photographer
Houston | TX | USA | Posted: 10:24 PM on 06.16.14
->> I've been using the slightly smaller TT Airport International 2.0 for several years, and have never had a problem. It fits within the new guidelines.
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Larry Lawson, Photographer
Portland | OR | USA | Posted: 12:16 PM on 06.22.14
->> Off the topic of size, but of weight for checked baggage. 50 pounds is the maximum (although they "grant" you two extra lbs so 52 is the limit, or pay $100 extra. Doesn't matter how much over, it's $100 extra on Delta. Not sure about the others.
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Robert Hanashiro, Photographer
Los Angeles | CA | | Posted: 12:22 PM on 06.22.14
->> And many carriers --- especially on international flights --- are also weighing carry on bags.

So you have to be very aware of the weight of your carry on along with fitting it into the new sizer.
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PJ Heller, Photographer
Santa Barbara | CA | | Posted: 1:35 PM on 06.22.14
->> Bert is right . . . I’ve always had my carry-on weighed when flying from NZ-US, even my Domke F2. I just flew NZ-AU-US today and they weighed a carry-on bag at the check-in counter (along with checked bags) but didn’t bat an eye at the Domke.
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Randy Rimland, Photographer
Charlotte | NC | USA | Posted: 5:50 AM on 07.03.14
->> I'm thinking I need to switch from my TT International to a Pelican, just in case I get forced to check my carry on roller that has my 500 in it. What Pelican case do you guys recommend that fits the 22x14x9 rule and roolls ?
I'm looking at the 1514.
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Gene Boyars, Photographer
Manalapan | NJ | United States | Posted: 6:43 AM on 07.03.14
->> If you don't need all of the dividers then the 1510 is a good choice to save a few bucks, otherwise the 1514 is the choice. That said, I have yet to have my carry-on sized since on United since March 3....
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Randy Rimland, Photographer
Charlotte | NC | USA | Posted: 7:14 AM on 07.03.14
->> thanks Gene, I was just looking at the 1510 as well.
They list the 1510 as PELICAN 1510L0C, WITH LUGGAGE INSERT + LOC LID ORGANIZER
and the 1514 as
PELICAN 1510, WITH DIVIDERS, OD GREEN

What is the luggage insert and lid organizer ?

My concern is I am flying to Scotland via London and if for any reason the plane type changes, the overheads are full or they decide my TT international is too big and they insist on checking it the TT will not hold up to being checked, certainly not like the peli
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Craig Melvin, Photographer
Olean | NY | US | Posted: 8:31 AM on 07.03.14
->> I fly with the 1510 twice a week. It has been gate checked several times, (but not checked yet) as it won't fit in some regional jet overhead spaces. About 90% of my flights are on Delta.
Randy I've flown London/Edinburgh, London/Belfast and never a problem with that Pelican 1510.
What I love about this case is most people think that there are tools in it- and have no idea its photo gear.
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Randy Rimland, Photographer
Charlotte | NC | USA | Posted: 9:01 AM on 07.03.14
->> good point Craig....
so you use a 1510 w/ inserts I assume and photo gear ?
strange that b&h is cheaper and throws in 2 day ship
it looks like a no brainer to switch from mt TT to the peli
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Gene Boyars, Photographer
Manalapan | NJ | United States | Posted: 10:18 AM on 07.03.14
->> Beware of the lid organizer, if you use it it means no padding in the top of your case so if you end of needing to gate check it on a regional jet or a full overhead situation you don't have any real protection from the top. I had a 1D Mark II get cracked that way. Lesson learned.
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Randy Rimland, Photographer
Charlotte | NC | USA | Posted: 10:51 AM on 07.03.14
->> thanks Gene, I went w/ the 1514, no lid organizer, just padding
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Craig Melvin, Photographer
Olean | NY | US | Posted: 4:50 PM on 07.03.14
->> Randy,
I use the inserts, AND, extra padding!
safe travels and happy 4th!
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Randy Rimland, Photographer
Charlotte | NC | USA | Posted: 3:32 AM on 07.04.14
->> thanks Craig
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Robert Hanashiro, Photographer
Los Angeles | CA | | Posted: 4:30 PM on 07.07.14
->> ALSO --- New rule on carrying on electronic equipment (laptops, cameras, cellphones) on flights:
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/u-s-tightens-security-electronics-oversea...

You may be asked to power on electronic gear by TSA. This report says this applies only to international flights, but I had this happen on a domestic flight out of LA several months back.

http://www.tsa.gov/press/releases/2014/07/06/enhanced-security-measures-cer...

(I had been editing on my laptop and it was down to something like 4% battery life when I closed it to go to the gate. I opened the laptop lid after security asked me and the three people in front of me to "turn on all electronics". My MBP flickered on for about 90 seconds and then died. I had to be escorted out of the line and plug in the laptop into an AC outlet.... then was put in the BACK of the line. Thank you very much TSA...)
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Randy Rimland, Photographer
Charlotte | NC | USA | Posted: 5:36 AM on 07.08.14
->> thanks Robert, I leave for the UK soon so I will be ready
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Gavin Werbeloff, Photographer
New York | NY | USA | Posted: 9:34 AM on 07.08.14
->> I'm flying back from the UK on Thursday, so we'll see how things are.
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Gavin Werbeloff, Photographer
New York | NY | USA | Posted: 2:23 PM on 07.11.14
->> I flew back to New York from London on British Airways yesterday. There were notices everywhere in the terminal about the new electronic device regs. Going through main security, there was nothing different, as only a certain portion of flights are affected by the new regs, so putting everyone through the extra device screening isn't a good use of resources. Once I reached the gate area, and had my boarding pass scanned, I was told that I had been randomly selected for an additional screening. I was traveling with computer, iPad, kindle and iPhone, in addition to a full Airport International. The secondary screeners were actually very friendly and efficient checking that each of my devices, including the camera body, turned on. Interestingly, they also wanted to see each lens in my case without the lens caps on. The looked down through the front element on each one. The whole process took an extra 5-7 minutes.
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Steven E. Frischling, Photographer
New England | | | Posted: 3:38 PM on 07.11.14
->> Keep in mind that as of the 7th of July the TSA has implemented electronics power up requirements for travel originating in the United States, for domestic and international flights. This is currently in place through the 28th of July under Operations Directive 400.5/SEL-001.

The TSA changed the language on Wednesday that if your electronics do not power up you must self dispose of it or turn it over to the TSA TSO for disposal, away from the original language allowing you to go put it in your car or give it to someone who had dropped you off. The TSA is required to report to local management how it was disposed of.

If the device does not power up, the option to charge it and try again has been removed from the language, so it will be trashed and not allowed to fly.

Electronics power-up outside the U.S. for flights bound for the U.S. have varying regulations as the TSA and DHS have no authority over that screening process.
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Daniel Malmberg, Photographer, Photo Editor
Huskvarna | Sweden | Sweden | Posted: 10:20 AM on 07.12.14
->> When it comes to flying overseas.
I´d like to recommend BA (British Airways).
Since they don´t have any weight limitations for carry-on luggage.
The only limitation, except size. Is that you are able to lift the bag into the overhead bin, yourself, without assist.
(You are also allowed a second item, such as a laptop bag).

I flied with them to the SSA X last year. And had a great experience with them.
Will use BA for the SSA XI as well.
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Randy Rimland, Photographer
Charlotte | NC | USA | Posted: 4:40 AM on 07.13.14
->> I am probably naive but I can't see a TSA agent throwing a D4 in the garbage
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Nigel Farrow, Photographer
Suffolk | UK | United Kingdom | Posted: 3:10 AM on 07.14.14
->> -> Daniel

British Airways now have a 23kg weight limit for carry on though seem more intent on enforcing the bag size rule :

http://www.britishairways.com/en-gb/information/baggage-essentials/hand-bag...

Near the bottom under the boxes in the section headed "Size and weight of your hand baggage"
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Daniel Malmberg, Photographer, Photo Editor
Huskvarna | Sweden | Sweden | Posted: 7:32 AM on 07.14.14
->> Nigel!

This is a bit confusing.

I booked a flight with BA just two weeks ago.
On my booking confirmation. It says that the max weight of my checked luggage is 23 KG.
When it comes to carry on luggage, the booking confirmation says that i need to be able to lift it to the overhead bin myself. Nothing else about weight restrictions.
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Steven E. Frischling, Photographer
New England | | | Posted: 9:54 AM on 07.14.14
->> Nigel,

The info on BA's website appears to be incorrect. I asked for clarification from the airline office in the U.S. and was informed

"Cabin baggage must be able to be lifted and placed in the overhead bin by the passenger without assistance from the cabin crew. Some exceptions apply, such as the disabled and elderly. Should a bag pose a potential weight risk, as exceeding the maximum structural allowance of the bin or bin latch, the bag may be refused"
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Nigel Farrow, Photographer
Suffolk | UK | United Kingdom | Posted: 6:59 AM on 07.15.14
->> -> Daniel and Steven

I remember the weight suddenly appearing on the website a couple of years ago which is why it suck in my mind.

Having had staff at the offices of major airlines tell me one thing about what should be common queries and in practise finding the reply to be total rubbish, and wasting me a lot of time when it has been that airlines error, I am now more cautious when carrying my kit.

I am a great advocate of advice previously given about printing out regulations for showing to staff who often don't know their own companies more occasionally referenced rules. At least if they have been presented and ignored and then an issue arises you can include that you tried to make the staff member aware when you have to make a claim. Like the majority on here I am not a lawyer so don't know the legal position as to what would happen in Daniels case though suspect that the staff may say the details given are an abbreviated version, in the same way the General Conditions of Carriage are, and he should have checked the link under the size information to the Hand Baggage policy. They may be wrong but there is a limit as to how far we can argue and still get on the plane.

In reality of course I would think it is difficult to load more than 23kg of photography equipment into a case of the size specified, which is larger than most airlines permit, and unless you look as if you are struggling or your bag looks oversized then in my experience you are unlikely to get stopped.
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Gavin Werbeloff, Photographer
New York | NY | USA | Posted: 8:09 AM on 07.15.14
->> I've flown pretty extensively on BA both to/from Heathrow and Gatwick, as well as numerous BA destinations in North America, Europe and Africa. I regularly travel with a pretty well loaded ThinkTank AP International. While there is a posted weight limit for cabin bags, I have never had any issues with a carry-on that fits the dimension requirement but was actually overweight. BA don't have scales at the gates (so they have no way of checking), and outsized (rather than overweight) cabin bags are of much greater concern to the airline. Generally, BA do not take the same attitude to ancillary fees that RyanAir/EasyJet and others do, which is to whack you for an extra fee whenever possible, so their attention to this particular issue is pretty minimal. If you don't do anything egregious in regards to your carry-on, they probably will not bother you.
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Robert O'Rourk, Photographer
Setauket | NY | USA | Posted: 12:43 PM on 07.15.14
->> Just flew New York to Spokane, WA. I am a trusted traveller and as such was able to leave computer, Iphone and D600 in my bag when going thru security.
My biggest issue was the usual, my total knee replacement so I go thru the full body scan. Even that was quicker than usual
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Darin Sicurello, Photographer, Assistant
Gilbert | AZ | USA | Posted: 1:57 PM on 07.16.14
->> I'm just curious to know about the extra pair of clothing?

The extra fees seem so high, you could buy a new shirt and pants (destination) and priority mail your laundry back and still save money.
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Randy Rimland, Photographer
Charlotte | NC | USA | Posted: 9:36 AM on 08.04.14
->> I just got back from 2 weeks in the UK.....no luggage issues and no 'turn it on' requests

I carried a TT international roller and a lowepro computreker BP
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Steven E. Frischling, Photographer
New England | | | Posted: 10:48 PM on 08.04.14
->> Randy,

The requirement that electronics be turned on prior to boarding a flight is for "selectees" only. Generally these are SSSS pax and those who have caught the eye of security or airport personnel.
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Phil Hawkins, Photographer
Fresno | ca | usa | Posted: 2:56 AM on 08.05.14
->> Fresno to Raleigh in June on American: No problems with my Tamrac Expedition 8 nor any requests to turn on computer.

JFK to Frankfurt July 29 on Delta: same.
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Steven E. Frischling, Photographer
New England | | | Posted: 9:45 PM on 08.05.14
->> To who ever marked my reply to Randy as Huh? take a moment and read this

http://flyingwithfish.boardingarea.com/2014/07/09/tsa-updates-electronics-p.../

Happy Flying!
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Steven E. Frischling, Photographer
New England | | | Posted: 9:46 PM on 08.05.14
->> ... actually start here first - http://flyingwithfish.boardingarea.com/2014/07/09/tsas-electronics-power-se.../
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Randy Rimland, Photographer
Charlotte | NC | USA | Posted: 3:45 AM on 08.06.14
->> thanks Steven.....my philosophy is if it can happen it will happen and I gotta have a plan B or I don't have a plan....for both of my 1st flights I had someone waiting to take any gear TSA wouldn't allow on board. I'm not sure what I'd do if a TSA agent tossed my D4 in the can
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Mark Perlstein, Photographer, Photo Editor
Plano | TX | USA | Posted: 9:05 AM on 08.26.14
->> Flew out of Ft Lauderdale this week, and pre-TSA screeners were making everyone place their carry on in the sizer. AA gate agents did additional close look at size of carry on bags. This was for Platinum and Pre Check flyers too.
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Doug Pizac, Photographer
Sandy | UT | USA | Posted: 10:35 AM on 08.26.14
->> Two days ago my wife and I flew out of Baltimore. She had TSA pre-check; I did not. Neither of us or anyone I saw was ever questioned about bag size -- some of which was clearly larger than the standard size allotment.
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Steven E. Frischling, Photographer
New England | | | Posted: 12:21 PM on 08.27.14
->> Doug

TSA does not enforce individual airline baggage requirements. Security lanes at BWI also serve multiple airlines, airports like this often have more flex in carry on baggage enforcement, unless it is done at the gate. Terminals that are airline specific, such as JFK T2, T5, T8 are often stricter as the terminal primarily serves one airline.

While a number of airlines have adjusted their carry on limits, the front line gate agents are not in a position to enforce a change by such a small margin because they are over worked and understaffed during the boarding process.

Other airlines are just highly inconsistent.

Spirit will nail anyone and everyone all day long.
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