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Canon 5D Mark II v. 5D Mark III: Opinions please
Jeff Stanton, Photographer
Atlanta | Ga | USA | Posted: 8:42 PM on 05.11.14
->> Hey gang, I have switched back to Canon and recently bought a 1D Mark III body (it has the fixes) and I'm looking at adding a 5D Mark II or a 5D Mark III.

At hand is the expense, the Mark III costing used at least $1,000 to $1,500 more depending on condition, releases, etc. Also, everyone who has used both cameras claims the focusing on the Mark III is head and shoulders above the Mark II.

I don't know about image quality of either, but I'm mainly concerned with the focusing. Will the Mark II body do the job as long as it's not sports related or will I be sorry later that I just didn't go ahead and spend the extra money?

Thanks ahead of time. Jeff
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Derek Montgomery, Photographer
Duluth | MN | USA | Posted: 9:45 PM on 05.11.14
->> The 5D MK3 blows the 5D MK2 out of the water when it comes to AF, low light responsiveness and noise at high ISOs. It's a superior camera to the 5D MK2 in just about every way conceivable and I wouldn't argue it's even close. Well worth the extra $$$.
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Andrew Nelles, Photographer
Chicago | IL | usa | Posted: 9:50 PM on 05.11.14
->> Yeah, the jump from the 5D2 to the 5D3 was substantial, worth every penny.

If you're doing even a little bit of video, the 5D3 is the clear winner, based on the addition of a headphone jack alone.

I always hated the autofocusing on the 5D2, I found it rather unreliable. The AF on the 5D3 is top notch. No complaints.
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Mike Carlson, Photographer
Bayonet Point | FL | USA | Posted: 9:52 PM on 05.11.14
->> There really is no comparison. Spend the extra and don't give it a II'nd or III'rd thought.
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Keith Simonian, Photographer
Martinez | CA | USA | Posted: 10:06 PM on 05.11.14
->> Jeff, much faster auto focus.
All the action images in this post were made with the 5D Mark III.
Both the singer photos in the post were made with a 1D Mark 3.

http://ksimonian.com/Blog/2013/01/16/2013-nfc-championship-atlanta-falcons-.../
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Steve Ueckert, Photographer
Houston | TX | | Posted: 11:24 PM on 05.11.14
->> I've used the original 5D (MK I), Mk II and now the Mk III.

The Mk III is what the Mk II should have been.

I keep a Mk II for a third body, primarily as a flash body. The Mk II does fine at lower ISO ratings and its slower cycling rate allows a flash to more easily recycle.

For any sports use, the Mk III is overwhelmingly the better choice. I would bet the high ISO quality of the 5D Mk III is better than either the EOS 1D Mk III or Mk IV. And perhaps the equal of the 1DX. Can't say, I've never used one.

The 5D3 isn't in the same class as the Mk III, MK IV or 1DX in terms of cycling rate. The buffer of the 5D3 is limited when shooting RAW. But the in-camera JPG processing of the 5D3 is so good I seldom shoot RAW anymore. (5D3 buffer, RAW + JPG: 7 shots; JPG: 30+ shots) I have no reservations in shooting ISO 6400, which allows me the use of F/4.0 lenses in situations that previously called for F/2.8. For my needs, I can live with 6 fps.
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David Seelig, Photographer
Hailey | ID | USA | Posted: 12:22 AM on 05.12.14
->> I echo the comments the 5d mk111 is the camera. The outpoints for af work where as the mk11 do not. It is so much better it is not even funny. With the exception of my football work pros I could use this for everything else I shoot. One work though the 6d is better in high iso but the af is not nearly as good. I too have used all 5d's got the mk111
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Chuck Liddy, Photographer, Photo Editor
PLANET | EARTH | | Posted: 12:55 AM on 05.12.14
->> Nikon?
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Max Waugh, Photographer
Bothell | WA | USA | Posted: 12:47 PM on 05.12.14
->> I agree with nearly everything that's been said above. One other important note in the 5DIII's favor: improved weather sealing.
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Jim Colburn, Photographer
Omaha | NE | USA | Posted: 1:07 PM on 05.12.14
->> The 5D Mk2 is an wonderful camera capable of producing excellent results in the right hands. If money is tight and that $1500/body is a serious issue get the Mk2.
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N. Scott Trimble, Photo Editor, Photographer
Kirkland | wa | usa | Posted: 1:33 PM on 05.12.14
->> Ditto Jeff. Last year, I was at a 2 year-old bday party of a fellow photographer friend who got one, I have a Mk II. She asked me to get some pics with her camera while she was cutting cake and I didn't realize she had upgraded. Needless to say, the focus, zippiness, and honestly, the image gradation was so pronounced when I was chimping, I found myself trying to figure out how her settings were so different from mine until I saw the Mk III on the front! Jealously ensued, mind was blown, it wasn't pretty. :)

So yes, its definitely worth jumping into this camera. I am getting mine next month...
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Al Goldis, Photographer
East Lansing | MI | USA | Posted: 2:20 PM on 05.12.14
->> Thanks to others, I don't need to tell you how much better the III is over the II. ;-)

My point for posting: if you want a cheaper, slower, NON-SPORTS second body, I would suggest a 6D over the 5D Mark II. Compared to the 5DII, the 6D has better image quality, better AF and all the latest feature modernization. The only negative to the 6D is it takes only SD cards.
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Jeff Brehm, Photographer, Photo Editor
Salisbury | NC | USA | Posted: 2:26 PM on 05.12.14
->> LOL at Chuck, the Nikon voice crying in the wilderness. :)

The problem in our field is, even if your product is superior (and I'm not trying to provoke another Nikon vs. Canon skirmish), by the time you get geared up with one manufacturer, it takes a LOT to make it worth switching.

Back on topic, I love my Mk III. I shot an event last month in which the CEO abruptly ordered all the lights, including stage spots, turned down low for the ceremony. So much for my lighting presets. I had to bump the ISO on my Mk III to 25K, a setting I had not used before, and prayed. The results were so clean, I was amazed. Love this camera, especially when used with the 70-200 2.8 II.

On thing to add -- the accessory grip makes it MUCH more comfortable to hold, especially with heavy glass.
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Jack Kurtz, Photographer
Bangkok | Bangkok | Thailand | Posted: 8:25 PM on 05.12.14
->> It might seem like piling on but I have to go with the Mark III. One of my Mark III bodies is in the shop and I'm forced to use my Mark II and it's like going back in time. Not in a good way, like back to classic rock but in a bad way, like back to disco.

IMO, IQ up to 1600 is pretty similar but every stop above 1600 favors the Mark III. But for me it's more about handling, autofocus, cards etc. And the Mark III is just better in every way. The autofocus is excellent. The weather sealing seems pretty good. I'm with Steve that the Mark III is what the Mark II should have been.
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Patrick Fallon, Photographer, Assistant
Torrance | California | USA | Posted: 11:38 PM on 05.12.14
->> Hands down, no comparison. 5D3 or bust.
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Phil Hawkins, Photographer
Fresno | ca | usa | Posted: 1:18 AM on 05.13.14
->> What Patrick said.
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Butch Owens, Photographer, Photo Editor
Murrieta | CA | US | Posted: 10:47 AM on 05.13.14
->> Pay once. Get it now. Too many differences to even try and compare!
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Walt Middleton, Photographer, Photo Editor
Columbus | OH | USA | Posted: 12:36 PM on 05.14.14
->> Very good camera... I'll echo everyone else on this, A very good body, glad I picked it up.
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Ed Chan, Photographer
San Diego | CA | US | Posted: 6:56 PM on 05.14.14
->> One additional item that hasn't been mentioned, the new 5D Mark III firmware allows you to send uncompressed HDMI video to an external recorder, allowing your pick of codecs, frame rates, and longer recording times.
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Jeff Stanton, Photographer
Atlanta | Ga | USA | Posted: 3:03 PM on 05.15.14
->> Hey everyone, thank you kindly for the feedback on these two cameras. I'm going with the III with my goal being to find a used body. I have WTB ads up on our site here and on Fred Miranda. I hope I can save at least $800 by doing that.
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Garrett Hubbard, Photographer
Washington | D.C. | USA | Posted: 3:09 PM on 05.15.14
->> Jeff, the 5dII will be do the job outside of sports. In my mind the most important question is, will the 5dIII allow you to charge more or land more jobs? Just run the cost-benefit analysis and make the decision that way. If possible, leave emotion and the cool factor of the nicer gear out of it. The 5DIII will be replaced in about a year and its price will drop considerably.
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Tim Jones, Photographer
Dallas | TX | USA | Posted: 5:32 PM on 05.15.14
->> Dear God, they're not even close. You will kick yourself if you don't go with the Mk III. Yes, it's that much better, especially if you are going to use it for most photojournalism applications, especially sports or video. There's just no comparison.

Somethings are worth the extra money; this is one of them. Accept no substitute.
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Jeff Stanton, Photographer
Atlanta | Ga | USA | Posted: 8:09 PM on 05.15.14
->> Hey everyone, just FYI, I did in fact purchase the 5D3 late this afternoon.
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Jeff Stanton, Photographer
Atlanta | Ga | USA | Posted: 12:28 PM on 05.20.14
->> Update, my 5D Mark III arrived on Monday. Amazing shipping time too. The seller sent it from Portland, Ore. to Atlanta on Friday via USPS priority.

I used it on Monday afternoon and so far have been totally blown away by this technical powerhouse of a camera. And it's a lot beefier than I suspected it would be.

Thanks to those who responded here to my original post. All of your feedback was instrumental in assisting me in the right decision to buy the III over the II. Jeff
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Phil Hawkins, Photographer
Fresno | ca | usa | Posted: 11:56 AM on 05.21.14
->> Jeff has already bought his camera, but Garrett asked a great question: "In my mind the most important question is, will the 5dIII allow you to charge more or land more jobs? Just run the cost-benefit analysis and make the decision that way."

The MKII AF was almost on par with the 1D MKIII. Awful. The freaking shutter sounds like someone using a fly swatter. When your corporate portraits (as an example) come back soft and the color quality is sub-par as with the MKII, you'll be glad you had the better gear. Same goes for lighting gear, tripods, ballheads, lenses, etc. Everything you use should be as top quality as your budget will allow. Don't forget; garbage in, garbage out.

John Harrington, in his book "Best Business Practices for Photographers, Second Edition", strongly advises buying the best equipment your budget will allow. I started doing that and the difference is huge. One less thing I have to worry about, and THAT makes me more confident going in to a project which breeds confidence in the client... You get the idea, so yes, I would say the cost benefit is definitely in favor of the better equipment.
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Garrett Hubbard, Photographer
Washington | D.C. | USA | Posted: 9:00 PM on 05.21.14
->> Jeff, I'm so glad you are enjoying your 5D3. I've been shooting it since it came out and I've never looked back.
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Jeff Stanton, Photographer
Atlanta | Ga | USA | Posted: 10:55 PM on 05.25.14
->> My first week with this amazing camera chronicled on my SS member page. Graduations this week out the wazoo, but I had a great new camera to use that made my job in poor light a lot better.
http://www.sportsshooter.com/members.html?id=300
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David Seelig, Photographer
Hailey | ID | USA | Posted: 11:57 AM on 05.26.14
->> there is one point I want to make maybe you would not make more money with the mk 111 over the mk11 but will you come home fresher more relaxed and in better shape to work the next day for me it is a yes
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Jeff Stanton, Photographer
Atlanta | Ga | USA | Posted: 4:06 PM on 05.26.14
->> I never used the 5D 1 or II, so I can't comment on either performance levels of those cameras, but I've used plenty of other cameras in the past where fussing with the auto focus in low light levels, noise issues, color shifts made my life miserable. I took the advice of the membership who responded to this post because they had experienced the III body and everything they said was true.

Auto focusing? Canon got it right with this camera. Snaps to to the subject.

Low light performance? Canon got it right with this camera. Shot with ISO 12,500 and was totally amazed.

Color shifts? None or very little until you get up into the higher ISO levels.

Shutter? Smooth and quiet compared to the 1D III body I also own.
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