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Which Camera To Upgrade To?
Brian Kunst, Photographer
Pittsbrugh | PA | | Posted: 5:28 PM on 03.25.14
->> I currently own a Canon 7D and it's time for me to upgrade. I wish I had the money to get the Canon 1DX. That would make my decision so easy! However that isn't the case.

I am torn between the 1D MKiv and the 5D MKiii. During the Fall I shoot A LOT of football and sports in general. So the 10FPS, weather seal and 1.3 crop of the 1D MKiv is great, but how does the ISO hold up in low light situations compared to the 5D MKiii? Is the lesser 16.1MP crop sensor compared to the 22.3MP full frame sensor an issue? Is the difference even noticeable in image quality?

I'm getting into more low-light photography and taking on more weddings. The 5D seems to be more appealing for that type of work, but the lack of the weather seal, crop factor, and lower FPS isn't that exciting for sports.

I guess what I am asking is which offers the more bang for your buck and which is a more do everything "all-around" workhorse camera?
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Elan Kawesch, Photographer, Photo Editor
Boston | MA | USA | Posted: 6:22 PM on 03.25.14
->> I own both the 5D Mark III and a 1D Mark IV. Personally, I prefer the files from the 5D over the 1D, especially in low light, which is enough for me to forget about it's shortcomings with fps.

However, this is more of a personal preference than a general recommendation. I think the best way to tell is to rent or borrow both at the same time, and shoot a game or two to try and figure out what you like better.

Either way, you won't be getting a bad camera by any means. I would be perfectly comfortable using either camera as a primary camera to shoot sports.
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Jeffrey Nycz, Photographer
Warsaw | IN | USA | Posted: 7:15 PM on 03.25.14
->> I have photographed high school football at night at 20,000 ISO and the images are more than acceptable. Dave Black reviewed one of the images and agreed it was an acceptable image, especially for the ISO. I also have a 5D MKIII and for me it's more of a portrait/landscape body. The high ISO is incredibly clean but for sports the MKIV has quicker response time and the higher frame rate I prefer for action images.
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Mike Doran, Photographer
Petaluma | CA | U.S.A. | Posted: 8:29 PM on 03.25.14
->> Hi Brian
I own the MK IV and have use the 5D for shooting Moto GP at Laguna Seca, NHRA at Sonoma Raceway to weddings and portraits. It is a very capable camera the only drawback I had with was shooting in the cold and on rainy days which is where the Mark IV shines and it is why the Mark IV is my go to camera and it's shutter is good to 300,000 frames as the 5D is only rated to 150,000. IMHO I would rent both and then decide.
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Mark Loundy, Photo Editor, Photographer
San Jose | CA | USA | Posted: 9:49 PM on 03.25.14
->> Somebody check me on this, but is there a camera that is optimized for weddings AND for sports? The two subjects have widely divergent requirements.

It seems that Brian might have to compromise on one or the other.

--Mark
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Wally Nell, Photographer
SAN DIEGO | CA | USA | Posted: 12:56 AM on 03.26.14
->> If you are hard on cameras, then go for a pro body, like a Mk4 or 1Dx.
If you shoot a lot of wide angle, then I would lean towards the full frame bodies. If not, then full frame probably not a big factor for you. For me, having full frame is important because of how I shoot.
In the end it is how it feels in your hands, balanced with how you treat your cameras.
I am hard on equipment because of what I shoot, and for that reason I only use pro bodies. I have been in situations where I have been very grateful that I insisted on myself having pro bodies!
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Clark Brooks, Photo Editor, Photographer
Urbana | IL | USA | Posted: 1:06 AM on 03.26.14
->> FWIW, the answer to your question should be revenue driven. My suggestion is buy the camera you can pay off the quickest or that will do the task that earns the majority of your income. While you are eliminating the debt from that purchase, research and form a plan to increase your revenue 10-15%. Once the first camera is paid off, buy the other one and pay it off as quickly as possible using the additional income from the increase production and/or increased fee schedule.
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David Harpe, Photographer
Denver | CO | USA | Posted: 1:28 AM on 03.26.14
->> Somebody check me on this, but is there a camera that is optimized for weddings AND for sports? The two subjects have widely divergent requirements.

I wouldn't call them widely divergent. Ruggedness, fast AF, clean high ISO and good strobe options are all things beneficial to both sports shooters and wedding photographers. Wedding shooters probably don't need super high frame rate or a gasket-sealed watertight body, but that's about the only thing that stands out as different.

Will you be shooting any video? That might be a factor...
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Brian Kunst, Photographer
Pittsbrugh | PA | | Posted: 2:27 AM on 03.26.14
->> Thank you to everybody who has positively contributed to this thread. Isn't that the point of this website? To build a community who can help each other regardless of their expertise level?

If I had the money and means to rent both the 1D MKIV and 5D MKIII to draw my own conclusions I would. However I don't and that's is why I posted to this website. To gauge everyone's opinions to help me decide on what to upgrade to.

@David Harpe - Video will not be a factor. I may use it on the rare occasion but overall it is last on my priority list.

@Mark Loundy - Check yourself before you wiggity wreck yourself.
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Gene Boyars, Photographer
Manalapan | NJ | United States | Posted: 8:09 AM on 03.26.14
->> Brian, are you a CPS member? If you are not you should be. That said, as a member you can get loaner gear from them to try it out before you buy it. The only cost, other than the cost of the membership is return shipping.

All of that said, I have two Mark IV bodies and a 5D Mark II. I find the 5D Mark II too slow for shooting sports but it is a great camera for anything else I do. It is also a nice back up body for grab shots during a game.

Relying on just one body is a big risk. When I was making the move from film to digital about 10 years ago I had a 1D and no back up for about a year. Then one Saturday afternoon I was shooting college football and soccer in NYC and then flying to Miami for the NFL on Sunday. At the end of my football game my 1d started to die. I was only able to shoot 10 frames of soccer before it died totally. On my way to the airport I had to buy another body-- a 20D so I could work on Sunday.
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Larry Lawson, Photographer
Portland | OR | USA | Posted: 10:01 AM on 03.26.14
->> Brian, I tried the 5diii side by side with my 1dmkiv and for sports, there's no comparison imoho. Like Gene said, I used the canon cps membership to test it out. Shipping back was about $45 for coast to coast. The slower frame rate on the 5diii was the deal breaker. It was fun to try it out, but would have been disappointed if I'd have purchased it.
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Alan Look, Photographer
Bloomington - Normal | IL | United States | Posted: 10:32 AM on 03.26.14
->> I have not used a 5DMKIII, but was in a similar predicament a year ago - which to buy. I knew the 1dMKIV would do everything I need it to do. I don't shoot weddings. I seldom turn on machine gun mode either. Images just seem crisper shot one at a time and I can rattle off about 4 a second without the motor if needed. The only advantages of the 5DMKIII for me was weight, price and full frame.

I was able to find 2 used MKIV's for less than the price of 2 new 5dMKIII's or one iDX. They haven't let me down.
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Mark Loundy, Photo Editor, Photographer
San Jose | CA | USA | Posted: 10:37 AM on 03.26.14
->> Brian,

"Wiggity wreck?"

--Mark
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Amy Wallot, Photographer
Lexington | KY | USA | Posted: 11:57 AM on 03.26.14
->> Brian,

I use a 5D Mark III regularly for weddings as well as sports, mainly basketball, horse racing and football. Occasionally, I shoot with a Mark IV and/or X. I really like the 5D and don’t have a problem with it for sports, although the motor on the IV and X is really nice. The biggest downside for me on the 5D while shooting sports is the inability to voice tag photos. I find it very helpful to keep track of plays in football.

But I think Clark had the best advice. How are you making most of your income from photography? Let that way heavily in your decision.
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Ting Shen, Student/Intern, Photographer
Chicago | IL | U.S. | Posted: 6:58 PM on 03.26.14
->> @Amy,

this meme will suit you well:

http://i.imgur.com/EHnoTDp.jpg


But anyhow. For image quality, 5Dmark3. But the better option is to try to jump for a 1Dx. look for used or refurbished from Canon. low $5k. totally worthwhile.
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Max Waugh, Photographer
Bothell | WA | USA | Posted: 8:22 PM on 03.26.14
->> I've also owned both. Personally, I preferred the images that come out of the 5DIII because I do a lot of high ISO work. Others make a fair point about this decision coming down to what you are shooting and where the income's being generated.

If the "low light photography," weddings, etc. are starting to bring in more income, I'd go with the 5DIII. If sports are still where the money's at, go with the Mark IV.
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Jacob Langston, Photographer
Orlando | FL | | Posted: 4:00 PM on 03.27.14
->> @Mark

"Check yo self before you wrickity-wreck yo self", a line from a popular Ice Cube song from an album released in the early 90s meaning, "Please, kind sir, watch what you are saying/doing before you get yourself into a predicament."

I am almost certain it was said in jest, but I do not know Brian.

Word is bond!
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Paul W Gillespie, Photographer
Annapolis | MD | USA | Posted: 11:14 PM on 03.27.14
->> Another question to ponder, how is the low light auto focus of 5DIII compared to the 1dIV? Having a nice low light file is great, but if the AF is not keeping up, then you could still have problems.
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Luke Trottier, Photographer
Bath | ME | US | Posted: 4:37 PM on 03.31.14
->> 5D3 AF system is impressive. I have used the 5D3 and 1DIV back to back at cheer competitions. Once you get over the grip the camera's AF and IQ outperformed the 1DIV.
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