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mac Pro new one help
David Seelig, Photographer
Hailey | ID | USA | Posted: 1:34 PM on 01.10.14
->> Well my desktop is four years old. Generally when I like to get rid of them and ususally I get last years model. But with the changes wondering if I should joust bite the bullet and get the new one. Anyone get the new one thoughts? Please no talking to me about windows machines.
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Perrone Ford, Photographer
Tallahassee | FL | US | Posted: 1:40 PM on 01.10.14
->> When I went through this decision in late 2011, I went with an iMac. My first Mac ever. Today, I'd probably make the same decision unless I had a VERY specific need for a MacPro.

The iMac removes clutter, is quite fast, and frankly, does all I need it to do. I guess you will have to asses your own needs, but it might be worth weighing your options.
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Chris Peterson, Photographer, Photo Editor
Columbia Falls | MT | USA | Posted: 2:00 PM on 01.10.14
->> I like the older Mac Pros because you can stack them up with four hard drives, which reduces the need for external storage. But if you're already set up with with externals, then the new one is supposed to be uber fast.
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Jack Kelley, Photographer
Los Angeles | CA | | Posted: 3:49 PM on 01.10.14
->> David, I just went through the same process. I was sure I wanted a new Mac Pro to replace my old one, but after some digging I concluded that the new version is purpose-built for editing multi-stream 4K video, and a maxed out iMac might actually be faster for Lightroom, Photoshop and single-stream video. A whole lot cheaper, too. Very happy now with the iMac plus peripheral hard drives for backup.

Here's a good read on making the choice that's right for you:
http://www.macworld.com/article/2082578/opinion-the-new-mac-pro-makes-the-i...
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Ralph Mawyer, Photographer
San Antonio | TX | United States | Posted: 6:42 PM on 01.10.14
->> David, lots of good info here also:

http://macperformanceguide.com/MacPro2013.html

But bottomline is summed up by Jack's post above. Really benefits video. iMac with Thunderbolt 2 would be the better solution for photo apps, as much as I'd also like to justify a Mac Pro. ;-)
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David Seelig, Photographer
Hailey | ID | USA | Posted: 2:00 AM on 01.11.14
->> How do you guys like the glossy screen with the iMac does it calibrate well ?
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Victor Biro, Photographer
Toronto | ON | Canada | Posted: 2:35 PM on 01.11.14
->> One of the biggest improvements to my workflow, and something that can't be upgraded later, is USB 3.0.

I just got a MBP Retina and was frustrated by the new design that doesn't allow any upgrades, and thought I would just buy an older MBP and add RAM and SSD myself.

The problem with this approach is that the USB would still be version 2.0, which is significantly slower than 3.0. From a workflow point of view, the biggest bottleneck - for me - has been ingesting cards, so this is an area for performance improvement that I regret foregoing later.

While this pertains to the MacBooks, it may be something to keep in mind for the Mac Pro.
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Chris Parent, Photographer, Student/Intern
Baton Rouge | LA | United States | Posted: 3:43 PM on 01.11.14
->> The Mac Pro is made for high end professionals who are willing to sink 10K into a machine and not blink an eye. It would be what you would buy for medium format work, large panoramic, video editing, 4K work, etc.

If you aren't doing any of those things, it really makes more sense to buy the iMac. You can get the top spec of everything it has and come in for the same price as the bottom Mac Pro. Plus you get a 27 inch monitor, which would be another 1K (for a Thunderbolt Monitor) if you got the Mac Pro.

If you have the money to spare, sure go ahead and grab the Mac Pro. Otherwise I would get the iMac.

If you get the iMac, I'd definitely get it with an SSD and as much RAM as you can afford.
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Otto Kitsinger, Photographer
Boise | ID | US | Posted: 5:03 PM on 01.11.14
->> The glossy screen made me insane for about the first three minutes, and then I moved a lamp that was behind me. I seem to recall grumbling for another half hour or so. Not sure I've noticed it since. It's been a few years now.

I would probably think differently about it if I had a window behind me.

I (third? fourth?) recommendations above. Unless you know you need a Mac Pro (for video or something), and also those particular ports work well with your existing or planned for next purchases external gear, I'd go for an iMac. I've seen benchmark tests that suggest that for the bulk of work we'd do as stills guys, there is not a lot of speed benefits of the Mac Pro over the iMac.
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David Seelig, Photographer
Hailey | ID | USA | Posted: 5:30 PM on 01.11.14
->> I do have a window behind. I do have a window shade on it. I am use to my 30 inch monitor. Keep on with the thoughts guys much appreciated
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Jack Kelley, Photographer
Los Angeles | CA | | Posted: 7:37 PM on 01.11.14
->> On glare: This was a huge concern. My eyes are a bit light-sensitive, and I really loved the 30-inch matte screen. The new iMac monitors are billed as 75% less reflective than earlier models. Seems true. Glare has been a non-issue, but I have no lights or windows where my monitor could catch their reflection.

On size: Being weirdly anal, I sized a Safari window on my ACD-30 to 27 inches diagonal before buying the iMac. I concluded that I'd be okay with a monitor that size. Now I don't even think about it.

You might want to log a little time in an Apple Store checking reflectivity and size, getting a feel for whether you'd be happy.

Good luck with whatever you decide.
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Kevin M. Cox, Photographer
Galveston & Houston | TX | US | Posted: 1:12 PM on 01.12.14
->> The newer iMacs have the glass glued directly to the display screen. Before there was a 2mm space. This really helped cut down on the glare at the expense of repairability.

I've pulled the screen out of a 2008 iMac to replace a crashed hard drive behind it but that would be much more difficult on the newer models.
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Michael J. Treola, Photographer
Middletown | NJ | USA | Posted: 2:37 PM on 01.12.14
->> Looking longer term the Mac Pro could be the better purchase. The expandability to me is the biggest selling point and not it's current specs as being a machine geared toward 4k shooters. Reports that you can pull the CPU right off the mother board and upgrade make this machine a piece of hardware that could easily last long then the average life of the typical imac as you can bump it's internals for years to come.

Re Imac screen glare. In the PhotoShelter offices we have a TON of imacs and not for nothing you can keep them. With our floor to ceiling windows the glare on these things even the newest models makes is a deal breaker for me... it's horrible. I also don't particularly care for the contrast and over saturated appearance they present either. I use a mac mini and pair of Dell Ultrasharp Monitors because of this. I just refuse to deal with screen glare.

Finally I would want looking longer term have a piece of hardware that can do 4k. You never know as it won't be long before photographer model dslr's are doing 4k video too.
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Perrone Ford, Photographer
Tallahassee | FL | US | Posted: 2:59 AM on 01.13.14
->> Just a word on processing 4k video. I get the impression that few here have done it. I have. For several years. And I am going to tell you right now, it's not something you are going to do "out of hand". Doing 4k video properly takes an amount of processing power that the Mac Pro simply does not possess.

Even on Hollywood budgets, it's a fairly rare occurrence for ANYONE to actually cut straight up 4k. More typically, you are cutting a proxy version in 1080p at a low bitrate. Something like DNXHD/36, or ProResLT. Moving around REAL 4k is so computationally expensive, it's simply not worth it. And we're talking about people who have computer processing budgets in 7 figures

I enjoy my iMac machines, but I do keep the blinds closed behind me in daylight. It's an issue for nearly any screen, but glossy doesn't help. The notion of pulling a Processor off a motherboard and replacing it is folly. In 2 years the technology will have moved on sufficiently to make this moot.

My recommendation is if you have the funds and need what a Mac can provide, then have at it. Otherwise, weigh your options carefully.
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Garrett Hubbard, Photographer
Washington | D.C. | USA | Posted: 10:57 AM on 01.14.14
->> Great thread. I'd still like to heard David's question about iMac display calibration answered. I have the same question.
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Jack Kelley, Photographer
Los Angeles | CA | | Posted: 2:40 PM on 01.17.14
->> Here's another good read (especially the final few grafs) on Mac Pro vs. iMac. It addresses the future-proofing issue raised by Michael. As with most tech choices, it comes down to personal needs and wants.

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB1000142405270230454950457932067414281...

Garrett, I can't help on the calibration topic. Stopped calibrating years ago because I'm not shooting for print publication. I think calibration is best addressed by those who are.
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John Korduner, Photographer
Baton Rouge | LA | United States | Posted: 6:38 PM on 01.17.14
->> I have no gripes with the glossy screen. Between my mac products, I'd rank contrast and color accuracy in the order of 1) 2012 Cinema Display 2) 2014 Macbook Pro 3) 2012 Macbook Pro (matte) 4) 2013 Macbook Air.
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