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Nikon's Latest VSLR
Chuck Steenburgh, Photographer
Lexington | VA | USA | Posted: 4:59 PM on 01.07.14
->> That's "V" for 'vaproware," BTW.

http://bit.ly/1lymKlu

Their next pro DSLR will be called the D4S. It will have better AF and improved image quality.

Leaked photos show that it looks an awful lot like the D4, only with an "S" on it.
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Doug Holleman, Photographer
Belton | TX | USA | Posted: 6:04 PM on 01.07.14
->> I saw a couple of new D400 rumors, too. It will probably really happen this time, since I finally had to break down and buy a D7100.
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Michael Augustin, Photographer
Bensalem | PA | USA | Posted: 7:08 PM on 01.07.14
->> Just in time for the XXII Olympic Winter Games in Sochi next month...
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Michael Troutman, Photographer
Carmel | CA | USA | Posted: 7:49 PM on 01.07.14
->> That's not vaporware. It's real. Firmware and hardware details should be finalized right after the Olympics, where there will plenty of them being used. Guessing first delivery for NPS allocation in late February or early March. Hopefully.

EXPEED4 for improved high ISO and AF seems to be a given, with an even higher frame rate possible/probable.

The possibility of dual CF slots may make a lot of people happy, especially given this announcement:
http://www.lexar.com/about/newsroom/press-releases/lexar-announces-sample-a...

The two control buttons introduced on the D4 on the camera back have been redesigned; pictures taken today at CES confirm this. A welcome refinement for me at least as one of mine has come off and another is loose from normal use. It will still fit existing UW housings and blimps, so no worries.

The BIG thing, as far as I am concerned (other than improved high ISO), is whether the AA filter has been yanked like on the D800E and D5300…really, REALLY hoping that this is the case.

More exciting (and official) details yet to come. And yes I'm replacing all my D4 bodies and have already placed my order.

The *best camera ever* just got better.
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Perrone Ford, Photographer
Tallahassee | FL | US | Posted: 8:55 PM on 01.07.14
->> You really think Nikon is going to jump from XQD (with 2 years behind it) to CFast which has NO history?

If this camera is as good as I hope it is, I'll be upgrading my D3s pair to D4s. Hopefully I can get to try out a couple soon.
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Michael Troutman, Photographer
Carmel | CA | USA | Posted: 9:33 PM on 01.07.14
->> I was thinking the CFast slot is backwards compatible…I Googled and it's not.

I've been a huge proponent of XQD, so maybe it has dual XQD slots.

;0)

XQD does in fact seem to be dead in the water. We'll have to wait and see...
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Michael Troutman, Photographer
Carmel | CA | USA | Posted: 9:44 PM on 01.07.14
->> In one of the online forums I looked at in the past 24 hours one poster claimed to have seen prototypes being used with both dual CF and dual XQD. He seemed to suggest he had a feeling which way it would go (and my impression from that was dual CF or CFast).

What's important to me is high ISO image quality, low-light AF and (hopefully) no AA filter.

We'll all know soon enough.
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Perrone Ford, Photographer
Tallahassee | FL | US | Posted: 9:52 PM on 01.07.14
->> Why do you think XQD is dead in the water? There are two manufacturers of the cards, they are fast, seem robust... Clearly it's a Sony format, which nearly ALWAYS means low adoption rates. Sony *LOVES* to come up with new obscure formats so no one else can compete.

Why are you so keen to get rid of the AA filter? I don't think you'll see it go away until the resolution crosses 24MP. It's pretty darn helpful to have in place below that.
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Jim Colburn, Photographer
Omaha | NE | USA | Posted: 10:21 PM on 01.07.14
->> "That's "V" for 'vaproware," BTW"

You must have been a real downer just before Leica released the M series...
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Michael Troutman, Photographer
Carmel | CA | USA | Posted: 11:36 PM on 01.07.14
->> The Kodak DCS-14n was 14 MP with no AA filter and the image files had *amazing* detail. Removing or reducing it further on the D4 could have real benefits (I use a D800E mostly for video but appreciate the detail in stills). This may be part of the image quality enhancement that was referenced in the press release (along with the benefits of EXPEED 4).

XQD is dead because no one is making DSLR cameras that use it…including Sony. I prefer it to CF and think it's better, unlike many. It's clearly faster.

Again, we just have to wait now and see how the specs shake out. I'm guessing there are multiple prototype configurations being tested at the moment before the design is finalized, but all the components are stockpiled and in partial production. Or, it may be further along than this and only firmware needs to be optimized.

I think it's going to be a very nice upgrade.
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Eric Canha, Photographer
Brockton | MA | United States | Posted: 8:31 AM on 01.08.14
->> I would think that at this point the camera's hardware is set and that the initial shipments are waiting on nothing more than fw and boxing. The lack of backward compatibility from one CF format to the next is a major bummer. I don't always need the speed of a super card and really don't relish the idea of having to build up a new collection of cards AND having to carry regular AND super CF's to feed multiple bodies.

Either way I'm excited to see the reviews and specs on the new body. I skipped the D3s and D4 and am ready to upgrade to faster and better..... Time to list a kidney on Craig's list.
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Yamil Sued, Photographer, Photo Editor
Peoria | AZ | USA | Posted: 7:17 PM on 01.08.14
->> XQD is dead because it's NOT selling!!

I was told by my rep at a Major Retailer that the XQD has dismal sales!!

I honestly doubt that Nikon will keep this format, but I reserve the right to be wrong.


I'm with Eric, I want Dual CF Slots.


BTW, Sony has a long list of Flops.

Betamax
The Little Mini Disks on their early Digital Cameras
Memory Sticks
now..

XQD

CFAST is nice, but....... As its said, it doesn't have any history. I was told that Canon will be embracing it though.
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Perrone Ford, Photographer
Tallahassee | FL | US | Posted: 8:34 PM on 01.08.14
->> OF course XQD is not selling. It has ONE market. And in that market, Nikon refused to force buyers to move along by giving them the option of CF.

Sony has had some amazing success too.

BluRay
The Sensors in your modern Nikons... :)


Personally, I don't care if it's XQD or CFast. Just give me something that works and is faster than what we have today. CF is about topped out. I want to see something that can keep up with my Thunderbolt connection. That would be awesome.
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Scott Rovak, Photographer
St. Louis | MO | USA | Posted: 5:15 PM on 01.09.14
->> Looks like XQD & CF, no change, according to Nikon Rumors.
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David Harpe, Photographer
Denver | CO | USA | Posted: 5:57 PM on 01.09.14
->> Looks like XQD & CF, no change, according to Nikon Rumors.

Ugh. Guess I'm skipping this release, too...
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Chuck Steenburgh, Photographer
Lexington | VA | USA | Posted: 3:51 PM on 01.10.14
->> Sorry, but I'm not impressed with a news release with absolutely no news in it.
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Yamil Sued, Photographer, Photo Editor
Peoria | AZ | USA | Posted: 9:21 PM on 01.10.14
->> Until I see an Official Nikon USA Press Release, it's all rumors.

But I'm not holding my breath for two CF's!!

They did change the Card Door and they took out one of the Goofy Rubber Covered Buttons!! I broke one of those the week I got the camera, it snapped off, I snapped back in, but it kept coming off, I had to send it in.

I do like the D4 for low light work though!!

Y
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Eric Canha, Photographer
Brockton | MA | United States | Posted: 9:38 AM on 01.11.14
->> I don't know of any "s" revision that has had major changes to the body design. Given that, the 2 CF change would have been nice, but not likely. Better AF and imaging (color & noise) closer to that of the D3s and I am more than likely a buyer this time around. But I'll still wait for real world reviews rather than to get on a pre-order list.
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Stanley Leary, Photographer
Roswell | GA | USA | Posted: 11:08 AM on 01.11.14
->> It appears that many of these upgrades like with the Nikon Df should be something that can be done with a firmware upgrade to previous models. Sure a new processor will go faster, but Apple and Microsoft continue to do upgrades in software that in general works on computer bought in the last couple of years of the new upgrades.

When will Nikon and Canon start to realize the next giant in the camera industry will be the manufacturer that takes care of their customers and not try to always make them buy new gear.

They could easily pay for these upgrades just like the software companies do by charging for the firmware major upgrades. I wouldn't mind paying $100 to get my D4 to perform like the Df.

Take for example how Adobe helped all of our cameras look so much better when they did some of the upgrades to PhotoShop and Lightroom. The latest versions give you better files from the RAW than years ago. This includes the Kodak scans from the early 90s.

If they are not going to take care of earlier models then they need to open up the source code so some software developers can come along and create a product that will maximize the hardware we already have in our hands.
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Chuck Steenburgh, Photographer
Lexington | VA | USA | Posted: 11:46 AM on 01.13.14
->> I'd love to believe that, Stanley. And that may have been the case when Nikon and Canon were selling the bulk of their pro equipment to, well, professionals.

But I think those days are long gone. The target market for the D4 and D4s are all the rich GWCs out there who 1) think the latest and greatest camera will make them a better photographer and 2) wouldn't know how to apply a firmware update if you gave them step-by-step instructions (which Nikon does, of course).

Sure, they'll promote it at the Olympics and they'll continue to feature "serious" pros in all their advertising...but those ads are aimed at GWCs (who will be susceptible to ads) as opposed to serious photographers who want specs and features.
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Stanley Leary, Photographer
Roswell | GA | USA | Posted: 5:31 PM on 01.13.14
->> Chuck

Fuji is doing what I am talking about. I already am investing in their X series. Not there for everything that I need my cameras to do, but if they do I am switching completely. For now I will use the camera that works best for what I am doing.
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Chuck Steenburgh, Photographer
Lexington | VA | USA | Posted: 6:12 PM on 01.13.14
->> What does Fuji have to lose? If they overtake Nikon and/or Canon in sales in the next couple of years (or force them to change their marketing strategies), I'll be the first to admit you were right.
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Perrone Ford, Photographer
Tallahassee | FL | US | Posted: 7:24 PM on 01.13.14
->> It would be amazing if Fuji or anyone else really) would actually make a camera capable of doing what at D4 or 1Dx could do. And one of a size that was comparable.

So far, that hasn't happened and doesn't appear to be on the horizon.
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Yamil Sued, Photographer, Photo Editor
Peoria | AZ | USA | Posted: 7:33 PM on 01.13.14
->> Remember there is more to a Camera than a body and Megapixels. There is Glass and Pro Support like NPS and CPS.
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Perrone Ford, Photographer
Tallahassee | FL | US | Posted: 7:45 PM on 01.13.14
->> Quite true... But before there was NPS, there was the "F".

One must start somewhere.
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