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Say it Ain't So
Scott Strazzante, Photographer
Chicago | IL | USA | Posted: 7:40 PM on 12.11.13
->> MLB to ban home plate collisions.
http://espn.go.com/mlb/hotstove13/story/_/id/10121849/mlb-intends-ban-home-...
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Robert Hanashiro, Photographer
Los Angeles | CA | | Posted: 7:43 PM on 12.11.13
->> The "Buster Posey Rule"...
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Alan Look, Photographer
Bloomington - Normal | IL | United States | Posted: 8:07 PM on 12.11.13
->> Are they still allowed at 2nd and 3rd?
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Jim Colburn, Photographer
Omaha | NE | USA | Posted: 8:32 PM on 12.11.13
->> The "Buster Posey Rule"...

Better than the Parker Posey rule...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dyFfo4UdzN0
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Jeff Stanton, Photographer
Atlanta | Ga | USA | Posted: 8:46 PM on 12.11.13
->> Tell me, what could a runner do in a situation like this one?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Fj2B9z4Dbw


I think they're going way overboard on some of these rules.
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Wally Nell, Photographer
SAN DIEGO | CA | USA | Posted: 9:21 PM on 12.11.13
->> So what's next? Are they going to have to wear mitts or something for hand protection?
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Jeff Stanton, Photographer
Atlanta | Ga | USA | Posted: 8:21 AM on 12.12.13
->> When you look at that Rose play, Fosse had to be at least 4-5 down the third base line in front of home plate. That's not guarding the plate, that was clearly blocking the way.
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Keith Simonian, Photographer
Martinez | CA | USA | Posted: 8:46 AM on 12.12.13
->> The rule has very little to do with Buster Posey getting hurt, it is all about MLB not wanting to be sued down the road for allowing concussions in these types of plays.

Somehow the folks at MLB got ahead of the curve. ( no pun intended ), which is pretty amazing when you consider the old saying.

That saying goes like this.

Who is smarter than the smartest Baseball owner?
The stupidest Football owner.
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Michael Fischer, Photographer
Spencer | Ia | USA | Posted: 9:13 AM on 12.12.13
->> I have to go against the grain on this one. As someone who has been through a brain injury as well as someone who has photographed more than one or two collisions at home plate, the long term impact (no pun intended) of collisions at home plate is going to effect some players. Like football, the implications may not show up for years. As it was explained to me, all it takes is one time - it just depends.

No doubt, MLB is trying to avoid the lawsuit issue the NFL just settled. When I am paying fan at a sporting event, I don't pay to watch people injure themselves for the rest of the lives. The reality is that in some sports it can be avoided with a minor rules change. So be it - it's just entertainment. It's not worth the suicides, Parkinson's syndrome and dementia that too many athletes have suffered after the fact.

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Geoff Miller, Photographer
Portage | MI | USA | Posted: 9:58 AM on 12.12.13
->> "That's not guarding the plate, that was clearly blocking the way."

To answer your earlier question, I'd say that Rose's only options would have been to "slide" or side-step Fosse (certain to be tagged), and then hope that the umpire called him "safe" due to blocking the plate.
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George Bridges, Photographer, Photo Editor
Washington | DC | USA | Posted: 10:24 AM on 12.12.13
->> If I'm not mistaken, most of the criticism of the Rose play was not that there was a collision, it was that Rose lowered his shoulder to plow over the catcher in an All-Star game. A game that had no bearing on anything besides vanity. At the time the game did not decide home-field in the Series. It had no bearings in playoff standings etc. Rose did not apologize saying he played all out and most take that for what he said and let it be. Others say that he could have slid or done something to lessen the collision being that the game outcome meant very little beyond bragging rights to the NL.
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Jeff Stanton, Photographer
Atlanta | Ga | USA | Posted: 10:44 AM on 12.12.13
->> Rose played all out despite the game or its significance. That's just the player he was. On the play, Rose had no chance to slide as Fosse was 4-5 feet out front of the plate down third base line. That's not guarding the plate, it's blocking. If there was a limit how far the catcher could move out, there might not be a need to create such a collision rule.

Buster Posey, on the other hand, was guarding the plate and the runner, at least in my view, clearly went out after him without even attempting a slide. He should have been called out.
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Geoff Miller, Photographer
Portage | MI | USA | Posted: 11:25 AM on 12.12.13
->> Jeff, growing up as a mega-fan of the "Big Red Machine" (I own the DVD box set of the 1975 Series), I completely understand what you're saying about Rose's playing style and loved it as a young fan. But, I think the criticism that George points to is worth consideration.

Setting aside the "later-in-life" health issues angle, should the act of a catcher standing in the way of the plate give license to the running to initiate an intentionally violent collision that could easily result in a significant injury to either player? Even in an explicitly hard-contact sport like hockey, you're not allowed to "take a run" at an opponent. Personally, I think there can be a middle ground that lets the catcher and running "battle" for the plate that doesn't require either the catcher to yield to the runner nor make a catcher near the plate "off limits" to the runner contact like a goalie in his crease.

None of that even has to due with concussions. To Rose's credit, his was a clear shoulder-to-shoulder hit (with no head-hunting) of the kind that is now idealized in the NFL.
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Jeff Stanton, Photographer
Atlanta | Ga | USA | Posted: 11:57 AM on 12.12.13
->> Clearly, the outcome of any all star game has no bearing an didly. That has been the argument on the Ross-Fosse play for 43 years. I also agree MLB is most likely doing this to avoid the litigation issues the NFL has been dealing with.
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Alan Look, Photographer
Bloomington - Normal | IL | United States | Posted: 1:10 PM on 12.12.13
->> Just in... NHL to play without sticks and skates.
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Nick Morris, Photographer
San Diego | CA | USA | Posted: 2:37 PM on 12.12.13
->> We've all played Wiffle Ball here right? Me thinks the MLB players better start brushing up on their Wiffle skills as NFL players should be brushing up on Flag football rules. PC has invaded sports. Thank God for Hockey! Before you hammer me with all sorts of inappropriate's this is tongue and cheek people.
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Nick Morris, Photographer
San Diego | CA | USA | Posted: 2:38 PM on 12.12.13
->> ^ sort of B)
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Tom Szczerbowski, Photographer
London | ON | Canada | Posted: 6:16 PM on 12.12.13
->> No doubt double plays will be targeted next. Since safety is the coin of the realm, it's probably only a matter of time before the lead runner will be disallowed from sliding so darn aggressively into second base.

After that's addressed, they will turn their attention to the next burning issue in baseball: why do those darn pitchers have to throw so hard ?!!

But at least we'll all be safe.
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Darin Sicurello, Photographer, Assistant
Gilbert | AZ | USA | Posted: 7:55 PM on 12.12.13
->> I hope they don't ban all contact in sports next.

Ping Pong is emerging! :)

"Why don't we just have every MLB catcher wear a dress and call it a day?" Bill Murray
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David Bernacchi, Photographer
Milwaukee | WI | USA | Posted: 9:22 PM on 12.12.13
->> I couldn't care less, and since this is a photography forum, if you need the collisions to get your shot, good luck.

I am very good friends with people who played in the old days....and I am not referring to the 90's.

They have told me that they (catchers) are protecting the base that counts....it is called HOME, they protect it!

That was respected....catchers used to be big burly guys...tough guys...Goalie types...rough and tough...Robin Yount in 1982 wouldn't even think about running over Thurman Munson or Carlton Fisk...but Prince fielder is designed to nail Jonathon LuCroy.

The sport has changed...and when that happens...so do the rules.

Just my opinion :-)
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Mark Loundy, Photo Editor, Photographer
San Jose | CA | USA | Posted: 9:51 PM on 12.12.13
->> Bert has it right. It's the "Buster Posey Rule." Posey is a shoe-in Hall of Famer (if he can stay healthy) who was knocked out for a year in the second year of his career. Star players like Posey are worth a fortune to the MLB brand. This is about money, period.

--Mark
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Eric Francis, Photographer
Omaha | NE | United States | Posted: 12:20 AM on 12.13.13
->> Little league, travel/select, High School, & College ball have all eliminated these types of collisions. It's not that big of a deal. You're simply eliminating an intentional collision that carries far more risk than reward.
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Brad Mangin, Photographer
Pleasanton | CA | USA | Posted: 6:26 PM on 12.13.13
->> I just wrote a blog post about why this is a bummer for photographers:

http://manginphotography.net/2013/12/bad-for-pictures-no-more-home-plate-co.../
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Grover Sanschagrin, Photographer, Photo Editor
San Francisco | CA | USA | Posted: 10:33 PM on 12.15.13
->> About about players colliding with photographers? Is that still allowed?
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Stanley Leary, Photographer
Roswell | GA | USA | Posted: 6:49 PM on 12.16.13
->> I am sorry our photos should not be more important thanthe health of the athletes. http://www.inquisitr.com/1063735/cte-brain-disease-may-have-contributed-to-.../
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Gene Boyars, Photographer
Matawan | NJ | United States | Posted: 10:39 PM on 12.16.13
->> David Bernacchi- when Robin Yount was a very young player I watched and shot him trying to take out Dave Duncan of the Orioles….Duncan put his shoulder down, Yount went flying up and over him. It was a great 3 picture sequence made with a Nikon F and a MD-36 drive. Maybe the reason Yount would not try it in the 80s is the lesson he learned from Duncan in the 70's…..

That said, this is going to be one very complicated rule to enforce.

Off to the attic to try and find that image of Duncan and Yount...
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Mike Janes, Photographer
Attica | NY | USA | Posted: 11:42 PM on 12.16.13
->> All levels below the professional ranks have already banned collisions, so do not think it will be a very hard rule to enforce given players are coming up being taught to avoid the collision as is. Unless of course MLB tries to come up with something different than how it's done at the lower levels. Noticed it a lot in the minors, catchers were being taught to sweep tag like Posey, so it seems it was already being phased out in a way before any new rule was in place.
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Bradly J. Boner, Photographer, Photo Editor
Jackson | WY | USA | Posted: 1:06 PM on 12.17.13
->> Can someone please explain why, exactly, this will be a hard rule to enforce? If I understand the rules of baseball correctly, there are three other bases where a player cannot interfere with the base runner. It sounds as if they're going to simply take those rules and apply them to home base. Done and done.
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Robert Herrera, Photographer, Assistant
Lakeland | FL | United States | Posted: 12:04 AM on 12.18.13
->> My first and, I guess, last home plate collision shot - http://www.sportsshooter.com/rherrera/101770409130913258.jpeg
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