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Photogs at the end of Patriots game.
Jerome Davis, Photographer
Rochester | NY | USA | Posted: 12:29 AM on 11.25.13
->> Did anyone else catch the two photographers at the end of the Denver / Patriots game. Looks like one got upset and hit the other.
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Rik Fedyck, Photographer
Vancouver | BC | Canada | Posted: 12:33 AM on 11.25.13
->> he got upset because he missed the shot.... https://twitter.com/PUNKD_Images/status/404844715662512128/photo/1
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Randy Sartin, Photographer, Assistant
Knoxville | TN | USA | Posted: 12:40 AM on 11.25.13
->> https://vine.co/v/hUOlADB9EQL
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Randy Sartin, Photographer, Assistant
Knoxville | TN | USA | Posted: 12:41 AM on 11.25.13
->> Longer version...
https://vine.co/v/hUOlADB9EQL
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Blaine McCartney, Photographer
Cheyenne | WY | USA | Posted: 12:43 AM on 11.25.13
->> Didn't see the end of the game, but here's a .gif. Doesn't show what offended the slugger though.

http://cdn2.mocksession.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/PHOTOG-FIGHT.gif
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Kent Nishimura, Student/Intern, Photographer
Colorado Springs | CO | USA | Posted: 12:48 AM on 11.25.13
->> USA Today Sports Images?



kidding...
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David Harpe, Photographer
Denver | CO | USA | Posted: 12:55 AM on 11.25.13
->> Yeah...that was ugly.

Hard to tell what he was upset about. The guy next to him was close but nothing worse than a typical scrum...
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Randy Sartin, Photographer, Assistant
Knoxville | TN | USA | Posted: 12:57 AM on 11.25.13
->> Funny Kent, I was thinking it was folks from The Gazette????



kidding......
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Rik Fedyck, Photographer
Vancouver | BC | Canada | Posted: 12:57 AM on 11.25.13
->> http://instagram.com/p/hIFcALivCG/
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Rik Fedyck, Photographer
Vancouver | BC | Canada | Posted: 12:58 AM on 11.25.13
->> he was upset because he missed the shot
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Kent Nishimura, Student/Intern, Photographer
Colorado Springs | CO | USA | Posted: 12:59 AM on 11.25.13
->> @Randy - we don't travel with the broncos. sorry to disappoint. ;)
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Kent Nishimura, Student/Intern, Photographer
Colorado Springs | CO | USA | Posted: 1:05 AM on 11.25.13
->> in a somewhat related gif...

they should've done this instead...

http://gif.mocksession.com/2013/11/touchy-feely/
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Mark Kauzlarich, Photographer
Columbia | MO | | Posted: 1:51 AM on 11.25.13
->> Kent, stealing gifs from your own Facebook comment thread to feed Sports Shooter? Isn't that kind of like stealing someone's intellectual property? ;)

But as much as that one person keeps Tweeting and Instagramming that it was over a missed image, do we have any proof? None of that seems to substantiate what he's claiming.
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Dave Sizer, Photographer
Seattle | WA | USA | Posted: 2:20 AM on 11.25.13
->> Surprised he didn't punch Peyton Manning for bumping into him too.
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Tim Casey, Photographer
Gainesville | FL | USA | Posted: 2:29 AM on 11.25.13
->> I'm pretty sure I recognize the guy giving the shove there, he's one of the top sports photographers in the business, but I can't figure out what he's upset about. He's probably regretting this to a great extent.
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Phil Hawkins, Photographer
Fresno | ca | usa | Posted: 2:41 AM on 11.25.13
->> The conflict happened way before these videos show. The guy that got hit ran into the pissed guy when he was trying to shoot Manning approaching. He completely ruined his shot.
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Kent Nishimura, Student/Intern, Photographer
Colorado Springs | CO | USA | Posted: 2:43 AM on 11.25.13
->> mama always said two wrongs don't make a right...
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Rik Fedyck, Photographer
Vancouver | BC | Canada | Posted: 2:47 AM on 11.25.13
->> didn't see it that way Phil.................. ?
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Mark J. Terrill, Photographer
Simi Valley | CA | USA | Posted: 3:06 AM on 11.25.13
->> Phil. I saw the same thing as you. He was set to shoot the handshake and the guy came up from behind and gave him a hard bump, which probably wrecked his shot. I would have been pissed off too.
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Ting Shen, Student/Intern, Photographer
Chicago | IL | U.S. | Posted: 3:24 AM on 11.25.13
->> I wonder what happened afterwards in the press box...

Man, but seriously this kind of situation just makes me sad. Why do we have to be SO mean to each other?
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Mark J. Terrill, Photographer
Simi Valley | CA | USA | Posted: 3:44 AM on 11.25.13
->> After doing this for more than 30 years now, I can tell you that these situations are highly stressful and tempers flare easily. After all, we're not out there for fun. It's our job and some of us take it very seriously.

I've had these incidents happen and have blown my top, but the situation often calms down just as quickly as it started and everyone is friends again. It's rare that these confrontations last beyond a few seconds because we still have to keep shooting at that moment and work side-by-side in the future.

That's not to say that getting physical is acceptable, but I certainly understand where the urge comes from in that moment.
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Michael L. Palmieri, Photographer
Barnegat | NJ | USA | Posted: 6:20 AM on 11.25.13
->> Here's a bit longer of a clip. It's hard to tell how much of a collision occurred before hand as Manning and a video guy are in the way.

http://nesn.com/2013/11/tom-brady-peyton-manning-handshake-prompts-photogra.../
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Michael L. Palmieri, Photographer
Barnegat | NJ | USA | Posted: 6:21 AM on 11.25.13
->> * beforehand
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Mark J. Terrill, Photographer
Simi Valley | CA | USA | Posted: 6:37 AM on 11.25.13
->> The bump that I saw happened before that clip starts.
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Jamey Price, Photographer, Assistant
Charlotte | NC | USA | Posted: 7:40 AM on 11.25.13
->> That seemed totally innocent and shit happens. I've bumped into people by accident and it ended with a "sorry" not a shoving match. Stay classy friends. Way to make an ass of yourselves and our profession (again) on national tv.
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Steve Ueckert, Photographer
Houston | TX | | Posted: 8:43 AM on 11.25.13
->> This over a missed handshake?

Game winning FG mebee, but over a handshake. . . .

& getting your mug all over social media, priceless.
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Brian Blanco, Photographer
Tampa / Sarasota | FL | USA | Posted: 9:06 AM on 11.25.13
->> I don't think we've seen enough of this to really be in a position to pass judgment.

Yes, battery is a crime and should NEVER be justified as a response to an unintentional bump or the blocking of a shot...BUT... that being said... I bet A LOT of us know exactly what it feels like to be shooting a game and some nitwit from a fake news wire spends the ENTIRE game throwing elbows, jumping in front of you, running around like a damn banshee and aggressively jockying for position to get shots that *****NOBODY***** will *****EVER***** see (outside of his Facebook friends and Flickr followers).

I'm NOT SAYING this is the case here. I cannot tell from the videos who either of these guys are but, generally speaking, when you're trying to produce images that the world will actually see, for a client that actually pays you real money that you use to feed your kids and pay your mortgage, then it's BEYOND INFURIATING to deal with these bulls-in-a-China-shop and by the end of the game you've just had enough.

Again, I'm not saying this is the case here, but it if it is then, well, I can relate. That's why I'm saying we should withhold judgment and just enjoy the funny (albeit embarrassing) gifs.
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Brad Penner, Photographer
NY, NJ, CT | PA | | Posted: 9:26 AM on 11.25.13
->> When the Giants played the Broncos earlier this year I was hit in the back of the head by a video camera pointer while everyone on the field was trying to get a shot of Eli and Peyton together. Not only did I manage to get the shot, but I also didn't take a swing at the mouth breather. When I got back to the workroom I was bleeding from behind my ear. These scrums are dangerous!
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Sam Santilli, Photographer, Photo Editor
Philippi | WV | USA | Posted: 9:58 AM on 11.25.13
->> "Why do we have to be SO mean to each other?"
Ting gets it right...great statement dude!

I shot a bowl game Saturday. One of the other shooters there, a retired teacher, asked me:"So how do I get started in sports photography?" Before I answered, I heard my Grandmother Jennie in the back of head say:"Be nice, he needs help."

In the heat of things we need to remember what we were taught by the people who raised us....unless you were raised by baboons, then shove someone in the same boat as you.
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Sam Santilli, Photographer, Photo Editor
Philippi | WV | USA | Posted: 10:01 AM on 11.25.13
->> BTW...can ss.com create a purple heart type thing for Brad and all of us who have bleed for our craft?
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David Harpe, Photographer
Denver | CO | USA | Posted: 11:10 AM on 11.25.13
->> Funny how if this had this been a player doing the same exact move to a photographer...

...it would have been front page news and this forum would be filled with comments about how ugly the display was, how the player should issue an apology, how the photographer should sue, etc.

Thinking it shouldn't be any different just because it was a photographer doing it to another photographer. The guy was way out of line. He doesn't know how to control his temper.
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Robert Seale, Photographer
Houston | TX | USA | Posted: 11:25 AM on 11.25.13
->> Who are these two?
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James Brosher, Photographer
South Bend | IN | United States | Posted: 12:12 PM on 11.25.13
->> At Pats games isn't it usually Belichick or his bodyguard who does the shoving ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GwDJ_7L8zi0
http://www.liveleak.com/view?comments=1&i=bbb_1258394699
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Bruce Ely, Photographer
Portland | OR | USA | Posted: 12:50 PM on 11.25.13
->> Must be a big name photographer since nobody wants to say who he is. Anyone?
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Darin Sicurello, Photographer, Assistant
Gilbert | AZ | USA | Posted: 1:29 PM on 11.25.13
->> Maybe it's a Nikon vs Canon thing? :)

Will shooting Peyton Manning with a Quantaray lens get you shoved ????

http://youtu.be/gYZmFo3_F1g
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Bob Ford, Photographer
Lehighton | Pa | USA | Posted: 2:10 PM on 11.25.13
->> Bruce Ely, I bet you're spot on.
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John Howley, Photographer
Circleville | OH | USA | Posted: 2:15 PM on 11.25.13
->> I think both were Canon shooters, so you can't blame it on us Nikon shooters.

(It looks like a bit of white is showing from the lens holster the one guy has on which leads me to believe he is shooting Canon.)
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Alan Look, Photographer
Bloomington - Normal | IL | United States | Posted: 2:38 PM on 11.25.13
->> Can't discount Nikon because of a white lens...

http://petapixel.com/2011/09/20/did-you-know-nikon-shooters-can-buy-white-l.../
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David Evertsen, Photographer
Orlando | Fl | USA | Posted: 2:41 PM on 11.25.13
->> Just made it on SportCenter in the Really Man? Segment. Herm Edwards had a good laugh about it.
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Michael Granse, Photographer
Urbana | IL | USA | Posted: 3:01 PM on 11.25.13
->> Elly is correct in that they are big names. My sources, though often flawed, have informed me that it was Randy Johnson and Drew Carey.
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Bradley Leeb, Photographer
Champaign | IL | USA | Posted: 3:23 PM on 11.25.13
->> Sorry, my sources told me it was Frischlig and Liddy.
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Kent Nishimura, Student/Intern, Photographer
Colorado Springs | CO | USA | Posted: 3:27 PM on 11.25.13
->> i wanna see a frishling/liddy celebrity death match...

who remembers that show??
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Mark J. Terrill, Photographer
Simi Valley | CA | USA | Posted: 4:15 PM on 11.25.13
->> I think that this looked worse than it actually was. It's my understanding that the guy that got shoved tripped into the other photographer which caused the snap reaction, but that the two shooters are good friends and were laughing about it ten seconds later.
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David G. McIntyre, Photographer, Photo Editor
Hong Kong | . | CHINA | Posted: 7:17 PM on 11.25.13
->> Mark, and everyone;

Regardless if they were friends, or rivals from competing media, this clip gives a bad impression of our profession. We are there to record the moments, not be the moment.

They were caught on camera, and leave a negative impression in the minds of many that have now seen the clip.

We may poke fun at them, but how many of us have been in the same situation, and lost our cool and later regret what we did.

I am frustrated many times by other photographers and video people that get in my way, but getting physical with someone does not prove a point in a dignified way.

Talk to them, let them know what they did, and ask for an apology. But don't go beating up on someone. This clip shows others that we are animals, and it is alright to be hostile when things don't go our way.....NOT!
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David G. McIntyre, Photographer, Photo Editor
Hong Kong | . | CHINA | Posted: 7:22 PM on 11.25.13
->> Example is not the main thing in influencing others. It is the only thing.
— Albert Schweitzer
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Donald Page, Photographer, Photo Editor
Knoxville | TN | USA | Posted: 8:08 PM on 11.25.13
->> Can we get these guys back together for a celebrity deathmatch contest?
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Jerome Davis, Photographer
Rochester | NY | USA | Posted: 8:24 PM on 11.25.13
->> It was on ESPN's, "Around the Horn" ... used for a what worse type segment. The two photographers hitting each other vs Andy Reid pushing Philip Rivers.
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Blaine McCartney, Photographer
Cheyenne | WY | USA | Posted: 10:33 PM on 11.25.13
->> "vs Andy Reid pushing Philip Rivers."

I think Phillip Rivers was a victim of crop dusting!
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Scott Serio, Photo Editor, Photographer
Colora | MD | USA | Posted: 10:44 PM on 11.25.13
->> The interesting thing is that the photog who gets pushed is doing what we all do, right? How many times do we get in a cramped situation and say to a TV or still guy next to us, "On your right shoulder, shooting low." So we BOTH GET THE SHOT. The TV guy is moving and the photog is moving with him. It is actually the other photogs fault for not paying attention. That's my take. He is out there winging it, the people who are working together run into him..and he does the pushing. Classy.
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Chuck Liddy, Photographer, Photo Editor
PLANET | EARTH | | Posted: 1:04 AM on 11.26.13
->> it wasn't me.I hate pro sports. and the fish can't get a media pass. but seriously thanks for the douchebag who drug my name into this thread.
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