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Sony A7/A7R
Paul Hayes, Photographer, Photo Editor
Littleton | NH | USA | Posted: 2:02 AM on 10.16.13
->> This was unveiled at 2 a.m. EST.

http://www.cameraegg.org/sony-alpha-a7-a7r-full-specs/

So will mirrorless replace DSLRs for sports/news photography? And if so, when?

And if you are actually up now, watch the launch here:

http://www.sony.com.au/microsite/launch/
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Paul Hayes, Photographer, Photo Editor
Littleton | NH | USA | Posted: 2:06 AM on 10.16.13
->> And here are some first impressions from dpreview.

http://www.dpreview.com/previews/sony-alpha-7-7r/
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Corey Perrine, Photographer
Naples | FL | USA | Posted: 3:17 AM on 10.16.13
->> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bnvgceTEV3c#t=381
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Doug Strickland, Photographer
Chattanooga | TN | USA | Posted: 9:10 AM on 10.16.13
->> "So will mirrorless replace DSLRs for sports/news photography?"

I don't think so. The advantage I see to having a mirrorless camera (and I use one now in my news photography) is its small size, light weight, and unobtrusive sound and appearance, yet it seems like they keep getting bigger instead of smaller as they get "better" (people think full frame always = better). Just look at the crazy big battery grip on that thing.

They're also, as a result of their size, not as fast or responsive as pro-sized DSLRs for things like sports photography or fast-moving news, and I can't see any of these companies justifying making 300mm+ equivalent glass for cameras like this which are aimed primarily at amateur consumers and prosumers who want high image quality without the pro-body DSLR cost.

Just like when some newspaper shooters kept their Canon/Nikon gear kit and a Leica/rangefinder kit in the film era, I think things will probably be pretty similar now, but much more affordable. In fact, with all of the competition emerging, I'm even hopeful that Leica will need to re-evaluate its pricing.
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Robert Herrera, Photographer, Assistant
Lakeland | FL | United States | Posted: 11:26 AM on 10.16.13
->> "The advantage I see to having a mirrorless camera (and I use one now in my news photography) is its small size, light weight, and unobtrusive sound..."

Actually, in two reviews that I have seen, they specifically mention that these have a "loud, noisy shutter".

http://youtu.be/bnvgceTEV3c?t=5m10s
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Corey Perrine, Photographer
Naples | FL | USA | Posted: 12:03 PM on 10.16.13
->> "people think full frame always = better"

It is.

Generally speaking, a larger sensor allows for a larger pixel, x amount of microns across. That allows for less noise at high ISOs. You also have true mm in your lenses, no math, utilizing what they were originally designed to do.

Is the system where it needs to be to jump ship? Probably not?

Will it be? Up to the makers/time will tell.

I think the target right now is those documentary shooters who want small, light and versatile.

This is a good read on the matter...

http://zackarias.com/for-photographers/gear-gadgets/fuji-x100s-follow-up-re.../

Should you keep an eye on the situation? Yes, this is a step in the right direction for this technology.

However, until they offer a full comparable line of lenses I wouldn't see it replacing sports shooters way of doing things at the moment. I see them wanting to attack a different client of the market right now.
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Perrone Ford, Photographer
Tallahassee | FL | US | Posted: 12:06 PM on 10.16.13
->> Doug, I slant the other way on this.

To me, the advantage of mirrorless is two fold. One, the FPS can move up significantly as there is no mirror to move out of the way. The second, is that it can be silent.

The small/light/unobtrusive is a CHOICE, not a design feature. If the focus speed could be sorted out, I would absolutely LOVE to have a mirrorless full sized body camera. If someone were to offer me a mirrorless D4s that focused as fast as a D4, I'd spend the money right now. Today.

I have a Nikon 1. Small, silent. You know why I don't use it more often? Because I can't hold the damn thing. My hands cramp holding the likes of the D7000 and the 7D. The D800 with grip offers some relief, and the D3/D4 or 1Dx sized bodies are actually somewhat comfortable.

I have been absolutely hoping that the delay on the D400 has been a desire to take it mirrorless. Using the sensor from the D7100 or D600, stuffing it into a D800 body, and letting it shoot at 12fps or more. As long as the viewing speed and focusing speed are there, sign me up.
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Jim Colburn, Photographer
Omaha | NE | USA | Posted: 12:56 PM on 10.16.13
->> The mirrorless DSLR is the future but I don't think it'll be worth investing in until they can provide a full range of pro-grade lenses. I expect Canon to come out with something like this Sony model in about 5 years...
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Perrone Ford, Photographer
Tallahassee | FL | US | Posted: 4:02 PM on 10.16.13
->> Lenses aren't the issue. And all the engineering exists to deliver 120fps 5k images. It's already out there, it's working, and being used by pros every day. The glass is there also.

The one missing piece is the focus. From an engineering perspective.

The consumer problem is the money. As the cameras that can shoot this way are quite expensive.
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