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Here You Go Chuck Liddy
Steven E. Frischling, Photographer
New England | | | Posted: 3:06 PM on 09.10.13
->> Chuck

This should not be a thread, but you ran your mouth in another thread on ethics. So Chuck this is for you.

You came on my Facebook two years ago and ran your mouth that I was never at the Super Bowl, never shot the Final Four, never went to Iraq, didn't cover 9/11, etc etc etc. I posted many galleries just for you proving you wrong. From there, you told me that you didn't care ... yet you're here running your mouth again.

So, here is some stuff from 9/11 which I have posted and now it is just for you

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http://boardingarea.com/flyingwithfish/2011/09/11/september-11-2001-reflect.../


Feel free to mark this as off topic, inappropriate , funny, who gives a $#!+. You start shit then hide behind the supporters saying "Oh, that's just Chuck." Well Chuck how about you shut the f&^k up, go through your Facebook messages from the summer of 2011, find the galleries I made just for you so you'd feel special and get back on your haldol.
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Steven E. Frischling, Photographer
New England | | | Posted: 3:07 PM on 09.10.13
->> Oh before you people start the "this shouldn't be a thread" comments ... and it shouldn't be ... Chuck makes accusations publicly, so he should be answered publicly.
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Michael Proebsting, Photographer
Barrington | IL | USA | Posted: 3:37 PM on 09.10.13
->> I have a suspicion his is another thread that needs to be immediately placed in the sportsshooter message board Hall of Fame.
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Chuck Liddy, Photographer, Photo Editor
PLANET | EARTH | | Posted: 3:56 PM on 09.10.13
->> ....in other news....."Apple introduces 2 new iPhone models"
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Chuck Steenburgh, Photographer
Lexington | VA | USA | Posted: 5:16 PM on 09.10.13
->> 46 more comments to go...
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Derek Montgomery, Photographer
Duluth | MN | USA | Posted: 5:37 PM on 09.10.13
->> I yell at my kids for arguing like this. Wow. And everyone here are supposed to be adults.
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Bradly J. Boner, Photographer, Photo Editor
Jackson | WY | USA | Posted: 6:07 PM on 09.10.13
->> http://www.reactiongifs.us/popcorn-jon-stewart/
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Nick Morris, Photographer
San Diego | CA | USA | Posted: 6:10 PM on 09.10.13
->> This is like watching your mother and father fight! I love you both. Stop it before I call Child Protective Services. Seriously, you guys are both talented and I hope one day you can work out your differences. I'll buy the first round in the settlement talks.
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Doug Strickland, Photographer
Chattanooga | TN | USA | Posted: 6:12 PM on 09.10.13
->> Wow. And here I thought this message board could sink no lower with the petty bickering.
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Kevin Novak, Photographer, Assistant
Panama City Beach | FL | USA | Posted: 6:37 PM on 09.10.13
->> I often wonder if the folks who get involved in these arguments get their pants legs wet pi$$ing on each other all the time.
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Bradley Leeb, Photographer
Champaign | IL | USA | Posted: 6:55 PM on 09.10.13
->> Well, I hope you are all proud of yourselves. Colburn's post is now moot. The French most certainly won't let us into any museums for free now...
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Smiley Pool, Photographer, Photo Editor
Houston | TX | USA | Posted: 7:05 PM on 09.10.13
->> From the "other" thread, posted at 9:17 AM today by Steven E. Frischling: "SportsShooter is supposed to be educational and informative rather than a place to start shit just for the sake of starting shit based on non-quantifiable statements."

Oh the irony....
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James Broome, Photographer
Tampa | FL | US | Posted: 7:06 PM on 09.10.13
->> This is why we can't have nice things.
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Smiley Pool, Photographer, Photo Editor
Houston | TX | USA | Posted: 7:13 PM on 09.10.13
->> So, here I go......

I'm not trying to wade into this mess, I'm trying to make a plea for responsible adult behavior in this community - however naive this may seem.

Yes, it is a fool's errand. Many have tried before, and I thank you all for your efforts.

I generally try to keep my trap shut around here, and not dignify these type of threads. But, with respect to those who have tried before, I'll take a turn at it for today.

Please people. There are over a half a billion english-speaking internet users who have access to this unfortunate type of all-too-familiar petty bickering and too-common uselessness on this site.

Let's try to provide conversation and content that is respectful, enlightening, entertaining, and hopefully reflects well on our chosen endeavor.

We are living in precarious a moment for the practice of professional photography - particularly professional photojournalism and sports photography.

Let's try to stay focused on how to move forward in a world that still has a place for these undertakings - and try not to take these type of unfortunate public detours.

Detours that are simply embarrassing for everyone involved, everyone who is member of this site, and frankly everyone who points a camera for a living.

Get up out of the mud folks.
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Jim Colburn, Photographer
Omaha | NE | USA | Posted: 7:16 PM on 09.10.13
->> "This should not be a thread"

Damn right!

"You came on my Facebook two years ago"

As George Takei would say, "Oh My!"

"Feel free to mark this as off topic"

OKAY!

"...find the galleries I made just for you so you'd feel special.."

Looks like there's a relationship developing.

"in other news....."Apple introduces 2 new iPhone models"

And one of them is PLASTIC! Who would have believed that?

(Moot = "subject to debate", not "finished")

(You shouldn't yell at your kids)
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Alan Look, Photographer
Bloomington - Normal | IL | United States | Posted: 7:24 PM on 09.10.13
->> Sorry Jim, the site needs updated. It will only let me give you one funny!
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Bradley Leeb, Photographer
Champaign | IL | USA | Posted: 7:27 PM on 09.10.13
->> Sorry Jim, according to this, "moot" = obsolete

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/moot
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Nic Coury, Photographer
Monterey | CA | | Posted: 8:22 PM on 09.10.13
->> http://www.sportsshooter.com/news/2635

Fish,

Look, I get we all want to prove our points, but does stuff like this really help the overall goal of being photojournalists?

What do you achieve by posting this?

Respectfully,

~ Nic

P.S. - Chuck, what colors do the phones come in?

P.P.S - In other news, I may have been detained again today...
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Scott Miller, Photographer
Sorrento | FL | | Posted: 10:08 PM on 09.10.13
->> All I want to say as a former Director of Photography and Design Director for a national magazine and it's parent company, when I see thread like this I just beat my head.

It is BS like this that does as much damage to the image of "professional" photographers as lying about a hit, doctoring a photo.

This brings people back to the days of Animal. If you're old enough you'll know what a I mean.

Steven I would not know you if you walk up to me on the street, and the say can be said about me walking up to you.

But I do get this out of this thread

WAHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAA somebody said something bad about me.. WAHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAA

Holy hell TWO freakin years ago ?!?!

Serious get a life. I can't remember the bad things people said about me last week - which there was a bunch let alone two freakin' years ago.

Christ grow up.
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Michael Fischer, Photographer
Spencer | Ia | USA | Posted: 10:23 PM on 09.10.13
->> I've gained some insight .. yes sirs... sure have - as a result of this thread.

Two years ago? Is it worth the energy hanging onto the hurt and anger for years? Really?

What Smiley said....

What Scott said....

enough said....

Some of this stuff makes Colburn seem normal

M
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Sam Morris, Photographer
Henderson (Las Vegas) | NV | USA | Posted: 11:01 PM on 09.10.13
->> Thank you Smiley.
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Chuck Liddy, Photographer, Photo Editor
PLANET | EARTH | | Posted: 12:33 AM on 09.11.13
->> I have hesitated to respond to this thread. I was actually asked not to by a couple of folks. But I am. And just to be clear, this is probably my last post on SportShooter. I have grown tired over the years of personal attacks on myself just because I am a blunt and a to the point kind of guy. I don't compromise on ethics. I'm VERY opinionated. You young guys (and gals) will understand this when you've been around a while. I didn't start this thread. It actually started years ago when Frischling was called out for various offenses in the photojournalism community. Let's be clear...manipulating photos, changing the meaning of photos through disingenuous captioning, and changing the content are all violation of the ethical code we photojournalists live by. In most cases there are no second chances. It's "one and done" if you screw up. Lying about things you have documented? Well, that it right up there at the top of the pile. For those of you out there in SportShooter land I will tell you I have been straight up for the last ten years of posting. Some of my posts have been informative...I know that...I received emails thanking me. Some have been harsh. I know that also because I know how I am (and I've received a crapload of emails telling me what a jerk I am). What troubles me the most about this thread and a few others like it is I have been somewhat of a dupe. I've been encouraged by managers of this site in many of my posts. I have lots of emails backing this up. But, these same people sit back and watch silliness such as this thread demean our craft. It's quite shocking. But I came to realize they don't want to get involved because they stand to lose $25/head if they piss people off. So they rely on idiots like me to carry the flag. No more. I realize not everyone on this site is a photojournalist. That realization came to me many years ago and (as hard as it is to believe) I started cutting people some slack if they weren't in that part of the business. But, the fact of the matter is...my comment in a previous post was just a warning to the many newbies to be careful where they get their advice from and who they trust. The most hurtful thing in this whole situation is people I admire and respect felt like they had to weigh in and make like this was a "pissing" match between two photographers. That couldn't be farther from the truth. Personally I don't care about Steven Frischling. His record is pretty clear. Period. I care about photojournalism. I care that a guy like Frischling truly hurts every single hard working daily news photographer out there. every. single. day. There's no wiggle room here. So as I end my little swan song. I leave you a couple of websites sent to me by friends this evening:

http://fishfraud.blogspot.com/2011/03/travel-blogger-steven-frischlings-lie...

http://www.theday.com/article/20120316/nws01/120319653/1070

this is Chuck signing off from SS after 10+ years

Au revoir
adios
Auf Wiedersehen
goodbye
sayōnara
Kwaheri
alpha mike foxtrot

and trust me....my mental health will be much better for this. but it has been a f@%king blast.
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Josh Merwin, Photographer
New York | NY | | Posted: 12:38 AM on 09.11.13
->> The NFL suspends people for conduct detrimental to the league. Can SS.com please start suspending members for their detrimental conduct when they start threads like this?

This is just sad and embarrassing...



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on an unrelated note-HEY SMILEY!!!! Miss ya!
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Todd Spoth, Photographer
Houston | TX | USA | Posted: 1:20 AM on 09.11.13
->> Flying with fish sounds smelly.
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Clark Brooks, Photo Editor, Photographer
Urbana | IL | USA | Posted: 2:31 AM on 09.11.13
->> Chuck,

I ain't heard no bell ...

http://youtu.be/7VbVGSXcOsQ
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Jack Kurtz, Photographer
Bangkok | Bangkok | Thailand | Posted: 4:04 AM on 09.11.13
->> WTF Fish? Two years? Get a life. This is one of those times I wish we could click more than one “This post is...” choices. It’s both HUH? And Inappropriate.
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Jeff Brehm, Photographer, Photo Editor
Salisbury | NC | USA | Posted: 6:51 AM on 09.11.13
->> Going through this thread was three minutes of my life I'll never get back....
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Michael Granse, Photographer
Urbana | IL | USA | Posted: 8:14 AM on 09.11.13
->> Seriously?
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Bradley Leeb, Photographer
Champaign | IL | USA | Posted: 8:50 AM on 09.11.13
->> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvijyBIgazE
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Chuck Steenburgh, Photographer
Lexington | VA | USA | Posted: 9:42 AM on 09.11.13
->> "We reserve the right to delete threads that: Break the no-SPAM rule; Contain press releases or copyrighted materials copied-and-pasted from other places; Get out of hand; Are filled with profanity; Are just plain rude."

Wish the powers-that-be would do a little more exercising and less reserving of rights...
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Luke Johnson, Photographer
St.Petersburg | Fla | USA | Posted: 9:47 AM on 09.11.13
->> Is this real life.
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Jim Colburn, Photographer
Omaha | NE | USA | Posted: 11:00 AM on 09.11.13
->> Brad. I always prefer the OED:

Moot

adjective: "subject to debate, dispute, or uncertainty, and typically not admitting of a final decision"

verb: "raise (a question or topic) for discussion; suggest (an idea or possibility)"

noun: "a mock trial set up to examine a hypothetical case as an academic exercise"
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Bradley Leeb, Photographer
Champaign | IL | USA | Posted: 11:08 AM on 09.11.13
->> Well then, it appears as if we are making the definition of moot, moot.

Care to discuss the Moops instead?
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Michael J. Treola, Photographer
Middletown | NJ | USA | Posted: 11:15 AM on 09.11.13
->> Everyone.... Get up.... get out.... go make a photo. Thread locked!
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Clark Brooks, Photo Editor, Photographer
Urbana | IL | USA | Posted: 11:30 AM on 09.11.13
->> Let's continue his swan song, shall we?

Luke wrote: "Is this real life."

Is this just fantasy?
Caught in a landslide
No escape from reality
Open your eyes
Look up to the skies and see ...

.... I see a little silhouette of a man
Scaramouch, scaramouch will you do the fandango
Shutter clicks and studio lighting - very very frightening me
ChuckyLiddy, ChuckyLiddy,
ChuckyLiddy, ChuckyLiddy,
ChuckyLiddy Figaro - magnifico ....

... Nothing really matters
Anyone can see
Nothing really matters - nothing really matters to Liddeeeeee.


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Seriously...

Come on Chuck, you sonofabitch, I didn't hear no stinking bell. Now get up and post. Dig deep. Post like you never posted before. Knock their blocks off with the year's of acquired wisdom! You got time for one more round, buddy :D
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