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SI/MMQB Peter King not using Washington nickname
Robert Hanashiro, Photographer
Los Angeles | CA | | Posted: 3:18 PM on 09.07.13
->> "I’ve been uneasy when I sat down to write about the team and had to use the nickname."

http://mmqb.si.com/2013/09/06/eli-manning-new-york-giants-dallas-cowboys/2/
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Jim Colburn, Photographer
Omaha | NE | USA | Posted: 10:19 AM on 09.08.13
->> They don't have to change their name. All they have to do is change the picture on the side of their helmets TO A POTATO! Washington Redskins, problem solved.
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John Korduner, Photographer
Baton Rouge | LA | United States | Posted: 3:00 PM on 09.08.13
->> Am I the only person that thinks his logical reasoning is fundamentally flawed? "Redskins" isn't a nickname, it's a proper name...their nickname is the "Skins." Is it really appropriate for a journalist to fabricate a name whenever he dislikes the official one?

Regardless of his opinion, referring to the Redskins as "Washington" is about as accurate as calling the Seahawks "Washington."
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Jim Colburn, Photographer
Omaha | NE | USA | Posted: 6:35 PM on 09.08.13
->> It might be as accurate as calling them "Seattle" but not "Washington".
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James Broome, Photographer
Tampa | FL | US | Posted: 9:13 AM on 09.09.13
->> I like the potato idea. Indeed, problem solved.
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Chuck Steenburgh, Photographer
Lexington | VA | USA | Posted: 7:32 AM on 09.10.13
->> From now on, I'm going to call Sports Illustrated "Playboy Light."
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Gene Boyars, Photographer
Matawan | NJ | United States | Posted: 3:18 PM on 09.11.13
->> Thanks Chuck..great analogy
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Sam Santilli, Photographer, Photo Editor
Philippi | WV | USA | Posted: 4:47 PM on 09.11.13
->> I like how Mr King makes it a personal decision, and the rest of his associates can make up their own minds. This topic is heavy, considering it is coming from a three decades long icon of the industry.

Ever wonder why the "Fighting Irish" of that Catholic school out in the Midwest never catch any static about their mascot and nickname?

Being married to a Dallas Cowboys' fan, anything seen as a negative to the Washington pro football team makes my life a little bit easier.
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James Broome, Photographer
Tampa | FL | US | Posted: 6:43 AM on 09.12.13
->> King's stand seems to be contagious.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/2013/09/11/christine-brennan-washi.../
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James Broome, Photographer
Tampa | FL | US | Posted: 6:44 AM on 09.12.13
->> My take is that Washington Redskins is no different than Washington Wetbacks. Both are racial slurs. Neither is appropriate.
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Mark Peters, Photographer
Highland | IL | USA | Posted: 9:14 AM on 09.12.13
->> John,

I personally don't feel that an ethnic slur is somehow less offensive simply because it has been trademarked. Proper name, nickname - that's a distinction without a difference in my opinion.

The media frequently self-censors objectionable and offensive content from their reporting - blurring specific portions of images, bleeping certain words, using astericks and blanks to obscure offensive words, etc. The fact that a public entity has chosen a label which is deemed offensive does not obligate others to perpetuate that stereotype by giving voice to what they perceive as a slur. Our freedom of speech includes the right to not be forced to speak that which we don't want to say.

He did not fabricate a name. He identified them by their location - one which which apparently clearly allowed the readers to understand who he was discussing. It was extremely accurate.

Is it appropriate for him to refuse to use what he feels is a slur in his reporting? Yes. One does not abandon their personal ethos when they report to work. If his employers disagree they are free to take action. Kudos to King for standing on principle.
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Sam Santilli, Photographer, Photo Editor
Philippi | WV | USA | Posted: 9:34 AM on 09.12.13
->> http://finance.yahoo.com/news/goodell-nfl-listen-redskins-protests-10562047...
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Juerg Schreiter, Photographer
Fort Lauderdale | FL | USA | Posted: 9:49 AM on 09.12.13
->> from Sam's link above:

"If we are offending one person, we need to be listening," Goodell said Wednesday in an interview with 106.7 The Fan, "and making sure that we're doing the right things to try to address that."


For crying out loud, these days you can't wear blue (or any color) shirt without somebody being offended!
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Douglas Cottle, Photographer
Tuscola | Illinois | United States | Posted: 2:43 PM on 09.12.13
->> Great discussion with Dan Patrick and Rich Eisen on this topic.

http://www.danpatrick.com/2013/09/12/rich-eisen-comments-on-redskins-name-c.../
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John Korduner, Photographer
Baton Rouge | LA | United States | Posted: 7:24 PM on 09.12.13
->> Mark,

I agree with the principle, but I disagree with the application. I don't pretend to be a journalist, but I would think the more appropriate stance would be to refrain from engaging a topic when you can't approach it objectively...as opposed to inserting yourself into a story to further a personal agenda.

I am also curious if the employer-employee dynamic would be the same if it had been a junior writer who publicly expressed such a moral epiphany?
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Mark Peters, Photographer
Highland | IL | USA | Posted: 1:18 AM on 09.13.13
->> Is your objection to his failure to use the term in his reporting - which is clearly objective and does not make any reference to why the term is not used or even not that it is not being used - or his op-ed piece?
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David Bernacchi, Photographer
Milwaukee | WI | USA | Posted: 11:13 PM on 09.18.13
->> I like Dan Patrick's take.....Is he a journalist or an activist ?
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Brian Blanco, Photographer
Tampa / Sarasota | FL | USA | Posted: 11:39 PM on 09.18.13
->> I personally do not believe that it's a question of whether he's acting as a "journalist" or an "activist". He's an individual who has taken the position that he personally does not feel comfortable using a term that he believes is offensive and he appears to have found a reasonable solution to avoiding the term.

I covered a Washington game just a couple of weeks ago, before reading his piece, and I thought nothing of using the term "Red Skins" in all of my captions. Well, guess what? I'm rethinking that now. He's made me think, and that's never a bad thing.
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David Bernacchi, Photographer
Milwaukee | WI | USA | Posted: 10:14 PM on 09.19.13
->> Thinking is always a good thing. For the record I find the "nickname" very offensive, but Brian, my point is is it it your caption, or the caption?
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Mark Peters, Photographer
Highland | IL | USA | Posted: 8:51 AM on 09.20.13
->> In King's story, he does not once provide an opinion on the team's name, he simply omitted the term.. A photo caption which simply uses Washington as the identifier is not misleading. It would be wrong, in my opinion, for the writer to include their opinion in the caption - but to simply omit a word from the caption which still provides the reader sufficient information to understand the image, I see no problem.

I simply don't see the ethical issue with a caption which reads "Washington player does x" vs. "Washington Redskins player does x".
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James Broome, Photographer
Tampa | FL | US | Posted: 1:27 PM on 10.05.13
->> Wow. Even the President of the United States is weighing in.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/9772653/president-obama-washington-redski...
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Mark Loundy, Photo Editor, Photographer
San Jose | CA | USA | Posted: 6:57 PM on 10.05.13
->> Change it to "Senators."

--Mark
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Steven Mullensky, Photographer, Photo Editor
Port Townsend | WA. | USA | Posted: 7:42 PM on 10.05.13
->> Now that's offensive, Mark L.
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James Broome, Photographer
Tampa | FL | US | Posted: 11:58 AM on 10.14.13
->> Bob Costas during the Washington v Dallas game Sunday night:

"With Washington playing Dallas here tonight, it seems like an appropriate time to acknowledge the ongoing controversy about the name “Redskins.”

Let’s start here. There is no reason to believe that owner Daniel Snyder, or any official or player from his team, harbors animus toward Native Americans or wishes to disrespect them. This is undoubtedly also true of the vast majority of those who don’t think twice about the longstanding moniker. And in fact, as best can be determined, even a majority of Native Americans say they are not offended.

But, having stipulated that, there’s still a distinction to be made. Objections to names like “Braves,” “Chiefs,” “Warriors,” and the like strike many of us as political correctness run amok. These nicknames honor, rather than demean. They are pretty much the same as “Vikings,” “Patriots,” or even “Cowboys.” And names like “Blackhawks,” “Seminoles,” and “Chippewas,” while potentially more problematic, can still be okay provided the symbols are appropriately respectful – which is where the Cleveland Indians with the combination of their name and “Chief Wahoo” logo have sometimes run into trouble.

A number of teams, mostly in the college ranks, have changed their names in response to objections. The Stanford Cardinal and the Dartmouth Big Green were each once the Indians; the St. John’s Redmen have become the Red Storm, and the Miami of Ohio Redskins – that’s right, Redskins – are now the Red Hawks.

Still, the NFL franchise that represents the nation’s capital has maintained its name. But think for a moment about the term “Redskins,” and how it truly differs from all the others. Ask yourself what the equivalent would be, if directed toward African-Americans, Hispanics, Asians, or members of any other ethnic group.

When considered that way, “Redskins” can’t possibly honor a heritage, or noble character trait, nor can it possibly be considered a neutral term. It’s an insult, a slur, no matter how benign the present-day intent. It is fair to say that for a long time now, and certainly in 2013, no offense has been intended. But, if you take a step back, isn’t it clear to see how offense “might” legitimately be taken?"
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Steve Apps, Photographer
Madison | WI | USA | Posted: 12:46 PM on 10.14.13
->> If they were called the "Senators" the defense would never talk to the offense, and practices would be shut down with inactivity.
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James Broome, Photographer
Tampa | FL | US | Posted: 2:14 PM on 10.14.13
->> Wasn't there a Washington Senators pro baseball team?
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James Broome, Photographer
Tampa | FL | US | Posted: 2:15 PM on 10.14.13
->> Yep. They became the Minnesota Twins.
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David Seelig, Photographer
Hailey | ID | USA | Posted: 2:23 PM on 10.14.13
->> They also became the Texas Rangers . They tried it a second time after the original Senators went to Minn and failed again.
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Phil Hawkins, Photographer
Fresno | ca | usa | Posted: 2:55 PM on 10.14.13
->> Let's see... there's the;

1) Washington Redskins (offensive to Indians)
2) Minnesota Vikings (offensive to Nordic races)
3) Kansas City Chiefs (offensive to...??)
4) UNLV Runnin' Rebels (offensive to southerners?)
5) Florida State Seminoles (offensive to... more Indians?)
6) Illinois Illini
7) San Diego State Aztecs

OK, so following this reasoning, we have to re-name the city of Cincinnatti, state of Illinois, city of Milwaukee, state of Utah (derivative of the "Ute" Indians), Niantic River, North and South Dakota (Sioux derivative), Piscataway, NY... Osceola County, Florida... Tallahassee, Pensacola, Apalachicola, etc. etc. etc. Virtually every state, county, city and town, river, mountain and field in the eastern US has a name from tribal names or Indian language. WHAT is the big deal??

This issue came up several years ago, and nothing changed. Good. Political Correctness run amok.

God almighty, get over it. Who cares.

Columbus, Ohio should be renamed lest, God forbid, we offend descendants of Columbus...

Please tell me we have more important things to worry about...
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Phil Hawkins, Photographer
Fresno | ca | usa | Posted: 2:59 PM on 10.14.13
->> I think Peter King should change his last name, for risk of insulting the Royal Family.
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Chuck Steenburgh, Photographer
Lexington | VA | USA | Posted: 3:03 PM on 10.14.13
->> Phil,

Other than "Redskins," none of the names you have mentioned are a racial slur.

Try "New York Kikes" or "San Francisco Slanteyes" and then you'd have a comparable name.

BTW - Cincinnati was named for a Roman general.
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Phil Hawkins, Photographer
Fresno | ca | usa | Posted: 3:13 PM on 10.14.13
->> Oh, I forgot the NY Yankees; "Yankees", a derogatory term for northerners popularized in the south during the early 1800's. Since it's inception in 1750, the name "Yankee" has been used as a derogatory term in Europe and the Far East for all Americans. ALL NORTHERNERS (AND AMERICANS) SHOULD BE OFFENDED!!! Yeah, let's just see how far one would get changing the name of the Yankees baseball team. Uh-huh... Where's your conscience now Peter King?
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Rod Mar, Photographer
Seattle | WA | USA | Posted: 4:32 PM on 10.14.13
->> I can't find the "Ignorant" nor "Stupid" comment button...
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James Broome, Photographer
Tampa | FL | US | Posted: 5:52 PM on 10.14.13
->> Chuck nailed it.

If someone doesn't see the difference between Mexian and Wetback, then of course they won't see the difference between Seminole and Redskin.
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Jim Colburn, Photographer
Omaha | NE | USA | Posted: 9:21 PM on 10.17.13
->> Game Over...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/charles-krauthammer-redskins-and-rea...
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Jim Colburn, Photographer
Omaha | NE | USA | Posted: 9:24 PM on 10.17.13
->> "Yankee" originated as a term for New Englanders, specifically those of us from Connecticut (see: Mark Twain) and was in no way derogatory.
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