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What you don't miss about film?
Robert Hanashiro, Photographer
Los Angeles | CA | | Posted: 3:28 PM on 07.08.13
->> I've received several emails about my recent Sports Shooter Newsletter column about what I miss --- and DON'T miss about film.

Here is your chance to share your thoughts about what you DON'T miss about shooting film ---for those old enough to remember film.

Mahalo.

(Note: There is a separate topic elsewhere on the SS.com message board about what you do miss about shooting film.)
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Butch Miller, Photographer
Lock Haven | PA | USA | Posted: 3:37 PM on 07.08.13
->> I don't miss working with those chemicals (for prints too) and dealing with safely and responsibly disposing of same. Huge hassle ...

I also don't miss turning hotel/motel bathrooms into a temp darkroom when working on the road ...

While I did enjoy working in the darkroom for many years ... I much prefer to utilize my laptop or iPad to process and deliver my images in the light of day ... ;-)

I enjoy spending more time capturing images than so much time "souping film" ...
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Garrett Hubbard, Photographer
Washington | D.C. | USA | Posted: 4:36 PM on 07.08.13
->> 50 cents per actuation with my favorite slide film.
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Matt Cashore, Photographer
South Bend | IN | USA | Posted: 5:32 PM on 07.08.13
->> 3rd-and-goal and I'm on frame 30...
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Chuong Doan, Photographer
Kansas City | MO | USA | Posted: 5:41 PM on 07.08.13
->> Forgetting to stack books on the base of a 4x5 enlarger while projecting onto the floor and then watching in horror as it came crashing down.
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Stanley Leary, Photographer
Roswell | GA | USA | Posted: 6:17 PM on 07.08.13
->> Having to scan the images. That took forever. Minimum of 5 minutes each image,but more,like 10 minutes by time you keyword and caption each image.
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Doug Holleman, Photographer
Belton | TX | USA | Posted: 6:30 PM on 07.08.13
->> I miss the sound of the mechanical motor drive. That's about it, other than actually needing some skill to focus while shooting action and having a leg up on the wannabes.
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Paul DiSalvo, Photographer
Highlands Ranch | CO | United States of America | Posted: 6:34 PM on 07.08.13
->> Following on Stanley's comment, remember when it was a color image and the scans took 3x as long for all the separate color channels? Something like 24 minutes total for a color wire photo? And then if the photo came loose from the drum mid-scan? Good times... GREAT article BTW!
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Jayne Oncea, Photographer
Saugus | CA | USA | Posted: 6:37 PM on 07.08.13
->> all of the above...I don't miss anything about film!!
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Mark Loundy, Photo Editor, Photographer
San Jose | CA | USA | Posted: 6:41 PM on 07.08.13
->> Everything except the smells.

Digital is better.

--Mark
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Willis Glassgow, Photo Editor, Photographer
Florence | SC | USA | Posted: 6:46 PM on 07.08.13
->> Robert.....do you know what I miss????......I miss your articles on Leading Off. Most of the other stuff that I see on the home page, I really could care less about. Maybe that sounds pretentious, but it's true. Great article as always.
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Brian Blanco, Photographer
Tampa / Sarasota | FL | USA | Posted: 6:48 PM on 07.08.13
->> The F3HP-P
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Clark Brooks, Photo Editor, Photographer
Urbana | IL | USA | Posted: 7:26 PM on 07.08.13
->> My short list:

The major thing I don't miss is spending four or five lonely hours a night in the dark with only the radio or mix tapes (I was also DJ) cranking out prints. Now, I can edit, print, have a beer all while watching Netflix.

I don't miss doing a complete tear down and cleaning on a Royal Print processor.

I don't miss learning that I had a cut or open wound on a finger after retrieving a print or tongs out of the fixer tray.

As mentioned above by others, I don't miss spending three days scanning and captioning film after a large event like a triathlon or 5K race.
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Eric Canha, Photographer
Brockton | MA | United States | Posted: 8:40 PM on 07.08.13
->> I DON'T miss hearing how much all that wash water cost... First from my parents.... later from wife #1 later still wife #2....

I don't miss dropping a roll of film on the sidewalk and having the end of the can pop off.

I don't miss having an enlarger bulb burn out at 2AM and realize that THAT WAS the spare...

I don't miss shelling out $$$ for 6 months of film from the same stock base so that I knew what the REAL speed of the film was...

I don't miss the 'artistic' winter lightening on my negs because I wound the film back into the can in the middle of winter while wearing a sweater and petting the cat...

Don't miss much film that much ;)
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Yamil Sued, Photographer, Photo Editor
Peoria | AZ | USA | Posted: 8:59 PM on 07.08.13
->> The Cost of:
Film
Chemicals
Polaroid
Paper
Lab
Machinery for the Lab


Time, I remember Scanning Polaroids and E-Mailing them to a client, that SUCKED.
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Ting Shen, Student/Intern, Photographer
Chicago | IL | U.S. | Posted: 9:02 PM on 07.08.13
->> pain in the arse loading that 120 film under rush. Who shoots 120 for news anyways?!
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Ting Shen, Student/Intern, Photographer
Chicago | IL | U.S. | Posted: 9:13 PM on 07.08.13
->> oh and with 120 film you can only squeeze out 10 frames on a Mamiya 7.
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Al Diaz, Photographer
Miami | Fl | USA | Posted: 12:39 AM on 07.09.13
->> I don't miss smelly, yellow, skin splitting, scabby fingers caused by dipping prints into the Dektol and Fix. I never had time for tongs. Oh, I don't miss keeping the film tank in a bidet cause every other space in the hotel bathroom was taken and too dead tired to stand after a long day of shooting.
Sitting at your laptop is much healthier.
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Michael Fischer, Photographer
Spencer | Ia | USA | Posted: 2:04 AM on 07.09.13
->> Goodness, Clark and Al, I thought I was the only one that would get a wake up call when I would stick my fingers in the Rapid Fix when printing and discover the hard way that I had a cut on my finger - YEOWWWWWWWW!

One thing I don't miss: When I was a tech rep for Polaroid, you had to turn in shots every month of something either you or a client/customer had shot on Polaroid. I was one of the few reps that actually had a real photographic background before I joined Polaroid. I shot a lot of Type 55 P/N. Had a Linhoff 4 x 5 that I would take on the road and sometimes shoot with just because I could.

Unbelievable film quality, but I don't miss carrying the little white bucket around that you kept the processed 4 x 5 negs in a sodium sulfite solution.
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Shelly Castellano, Photographer, Photo Editor
Huntington Beach | CA | USA | Posted: 2:09 AM on 07.09.13
->> What I don't miss about film...

Loading the 35mm rolls onto the reels, stop bath bubbles and random light leaks. And for black and white... The ZONE system challenges.
Can't complain too much because these things taught me everything I know now and I think its sad that there is a whole generation that will never know the process and not understand that you had to THINK through a roll of film and stay within a client materials budget.
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Jack Kurtz, Photographer
Bangkok | Bangkok | Thailand | Posted: 5:49 AM on 07.09.13
->> I don't miss the chemical stains on all my shirts. And pants. And pretty much every piece of clothing I owned.
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Jeff Jones, Photographer
Harrisburg | IL | USA | Posted: 7:42 AM on 07.09.13
->> I miss sitting or standing in the dark. It really heightens your non-visual senses.
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Steven E. Frischling, Photographer
New England | | | Posted: 7:54 AM on 07.09.13
->> Standing in the airport security line asking to have five press-packs of Fuji 200/800 hand checked.
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Simon Wheeler, Photo Editor, Photographer
Ithaca | NY | USA | Posted: 8:48 AM on 07.09.13
->> Cutting up negatives after a lead fingered day
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Phil Hawkins, Photographer
Fresno | ca | usa | Posted: 11:32 AM on 07.09.13
->> Trying to convince the faculty adviser at our high school to spring for a better enlarger lens. The one we had sucked. To no avail. Prints were soft and very distorted on the edges.
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Chris Peterson, Photographer, Photo Editor
Columbia Falls | MT | USA | Posted: 11:33 AM on 07.09.13
->> I once shot 10 rolls of a huge parade in town only to have the film holder come apart in the Wing-Lynch processor, which fried it all....
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Gene Boyars, Photographer
Matawan | NJ | United States | Posted: 11:33 AM on 07.09.13
->> Brown finger nails.....and fixer stains on ALL of my work shirts.....
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Tim Hynds, Photo Editor, Photographer
Sioux City | IA | USA | Posted: 3:24 PM on 07.09.13
->> One of the happiest days of my life was when I handed my binder full o' MSDS sheets back to HR after shutting down the film lab.
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G.J. McCarthy, Photographer
Dallas | TX | US | Posted: 5:07 PM on 07.09.13
->> "I miss your articles on Leading Off. Most of the other stuff that I see on the home page, I really could care less about. Maybe that sounds pretentious, but it's true."

Hey Glassgow:

That's the kind of feedback those of us who volunteer our time and energy to help Bert with his newsletter just love to hear.

Thanks for the inspiring words.
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Guy Rhodes, Photographer
East Chicago | IN | USA | Posted: 2:13 AM on 07.10.13
->> Robert / All:

This was a timely article for me because, unlike most photographers I know, I'm going in reverse.

I learned and shot on 35mm film throughout junior high and into my first years at Columbia College Chicago. The film I shot, however, was always taken down to the local one hour lab or sent off for processing. I was always at the mercy of whatever the person running the machine thought my prints should look like, and didn't have the desire / knowledge / resources to do it myself. This is a huge thing I don't miss about film!

In 2003, DSLR's become affordable enough for me to finally have the control I'd always desired of my images, from composition to the final color correction and toning. I was finally in control, and it got the ball rolling for what is now a substantial part of my freelance business.

At the beginning of this year, while working on building a homemade digital view camera, I realized that I loved this slower photographic process - focusing on the ground glass, etc. I decided to invest in a used Crown Graphic 4x5 camera, and amassed enough otherwise trash-bound gear via Ebay to develop and print from film. The joy of a computer never touching the process (except for the hours of YouTube tutorials) is actually a relaxing treat for me!

With this second go-around with film, I've noticed my skills on the digital end being sharpened. I've already noticed myself being more diligent on what I choose to shoot digitally, and considering the digital camera's meter even more of a guideline than gospel.

The discipline of heading out with ONE 4x5 negative in the holder has forced me to slow down across the board (right down to my iPhone camera) and really look at the world carefully, to find those moments that are really worthy of capturing.

I did smile when I read about everyone not missing fixer stains, though – I have some of those to show for myself now as well, and they're a drag!
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Marc Paulus, Photographer, Photo Editor
Las Vegas | NV | USA | Posted: 12:27 PM on 07.10.13
->> Forgetting to swap out the B&W card for the color card in the film processor while processing 13 rolls of color film.
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Steve Apps, Photographer
Madison | WI | USA | Posted: 5:11 PM on 07.10.13
->> Rolling eight rolls of color film and dropping into the Wing Lynch, turning on light and seeing one reel sitting on the counter. Then spending the next (can't remember how long) wondering which assignment it was from, and can it be reshot?
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Willis Glassgow, Photo Editor, Photographer
Florence | SC | USA | Posted: 6:21 PM on 07.10.13
->> Hey McCarthy....sorry you have such thin skin. I was actually giving Robert a compliment on HIS work, not necessarily criticizing yours. But if you feel that bad about it, write a better article and we can all be happier.
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Michael McNamara, Photographer, Photo Editor
Phoenix | AZ | USA | Posted: 6:30 PM on 07.10.13
->> This reminds me of the day that we threw away the Wing Lynch when I was working for The Sporting News. We were moving to a new office, and didn't need a darkroom anymore. I actually posted the processor online for free on the condition that it be picked up. We weren't going to ship it. And we had zero takers.

http://www.sportsshooter.com/funpix_view.html?id=5203
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G.J. McCarthy, Photographer
Dallas | TX | US | Posted: 8:26 PM on 07.10.13
->> Wasn't really thinking too much of myself, believe it or not, but the myriad folks Robert reaches out to on a regular basis for newsletter content.

I get those emails, and when I have an idea, I try to help out. I always wish I could help out more often, but with work, family and all, it's not the easiest thing to make time for. Regardless, I'm super grateful for the folks who do VOLUNTEER their time regularly to write for Bert, whether it's something they enterprise, or something Bert asks for (like a topic or whatnot).

I guess I didn't really appreciate the dig is all. But hey, whatever. I don't want to derail this thread anymore than I did in the first place, and I apologize for doing so in the first place, all.

Back to the original topic, I still shoot film on a somewhat regular basis "for me," but sometimes for the paper, too.

Like Guy, I find it helpful in slowing me down -- making me better connect with moment, framing, etc.

So I guess I don't have anything I DO miss, since I still do it. But, I don't miss the stained clothing either; the chemicals in general. Definitely don't miss spot toning prints.

Cheers,

- gerry -
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Nik Habicht, Photographer
Levittown | PA | USA | Posted: 8:53 PM on 07.10.13
->> The bulging pants pocket full of shot film near the end of a shift -- always carry shot film on you, in case something happens to your car/gear/camera bag...

The Wing-Lynch film holders coming apart occasionally...

Realizing very close to deadline that I had shot ten rolls of color -- when the Wing Lynch would only process 9 at a time....

....having pushed the ISO of those rolls, necessitating a longer WL runtime....

...having "the picture" not be on the first nine rolls, but on roll 10....

The way our wall mounted film reel dryers would fling chemicals all over me and the floor when they were switched on....

Realizing that I grabbed a bent reel, when the film started to crinkle, and not being able to fix it/having a spare reel in the dark...
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Willis Glassgow, Photo Editor, Photographer
Florence | SC | USA | Posted: 9:11 PM on 07.10.13
->> There was no "dig". Especially to you Gerry. There was no criticism of any sort, what so ever. I just happen to mention that I was not interested in much of that stuff. Just because I'm not interested in it, doesn't mean that others don;t like it or appreciate it. I hate professional wrestling, country music and reality shows, but in all reality VERY few people care what I think, because millions of people LOVE all three of the things that I just mentioned. And it doesn't make them bad people that they do.

As for volunteering, bravo to you that you can and do volunteer for something like this, and I seriously mean that. On the whole I think SS does a fantastic job producing a great product. I would;t still be a member since July 2002 if I still didn't think so. But also don;t take it so personally when someone doesn't like it as much as you think they should.
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Richard Mackson, Photographer
Pittsford | NY | US | Posted: 2:36 PM on 07.11.13
->> PROFITS
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Richard Mackson, Photographer
Pittsford | NY | US | Posted: 2:40 PM on 07.11.13
->> In the above post I hit the post key to early. What I meant to post is what I miss about film is......PROFITS
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Eric Dituri, Photographer
Clovis | CA | USA | Posted: 3:20 PM on 07.11.13
->> From a lab owners perspective: Telling a customer that the film processor ate the 15 rolls of film from your trip to China. However, don't despair, here's 15 free replacement rolls of film (plus free processing!!!).
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Mike Doran, Photographer
Petaluma | CA | U.S.A. | Posted: 3:34 PM on 07.11.13
->> Hi Bert;

Thanks for the suggestion of the music as I was missing the Muddy Waters Tribute. Awesome stuff.
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Steve Ueckert, Photographer
Houston | TX | | Posted: 10:13 AM on 07.13.13
->> What I don't miss:

frames 36, 37, 38, 39, 40, . . . and the realization that frames 1 - 35 don't exist either.

Some cameras that auto loaded by laying the film leader out to the red mark didn't always auto load. The absence of a manual rewind knob meant there wasn't a confirmation of the film actually leaving the cassette.
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